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Post by mekon on Nov 7, 2021 12:09:15 GMT
Perhaps we have an exec that is dividing their attention on fighting the national League (legal funding issues) rather than giving full attention to playing in the National South League. Legal adventures only tend to pay dividends to the legal teams, sometimes costing money that could adversely reflect on future funding of the first team.
I hope the board think more strategically and come up with a cunning, cunning plan that is feasible, achievable, and reasonable. So, cunning that reading it will trim your eye lashes (apologies Baldric) and provides a road map (blueprint) towards the National league and beyond.
What I am seeing currently is a small club mentality and approach which is failing to deliver. Saying cleaver words and statements does not ‘make it so’, that requires real thinking and coherent approaches.
Here is hoping!
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Post by mekon on Nov 6, 2021 20:34:41 GMT
I think the non-executive exec is an excellent idea and from what I perceive is much needed. Whilst I am sure Oliver and Terry are astute business people , football wise everything pivots on what happens on the pitch with the first team. We have under achieved for some seasons regaling first team performances. But ok if you are happy being a small team comfortable in mid table obscurity season after season,
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Post by mekon on Nov 6, 2021 19:39:08 GMT
Many supporters have commented that we are far too big a club to be playing in the National South.
But are we really a small team , culture and approach, that happens to have a big ground and supporter base ?
I for one am fed up going to away matches in grotty ground, with grotty facilities, smaller income and squad only to watch us comprehensively beaten.
We have to also recognise that the owners & Bill have made some catastrophic decisions regarding management etc. it’s is not just down to the team management.
So are we really a Ryman Team with an over large ground and supporter base rather than the Billy Big jobs we think we are?
Perhaps we should manage our expectations and accept mid level mediocrity is our natural level ?
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Post by mekon on Mar 14, 2021 14:14:16 GMT
We thought it best to go onto silent running during the lockdown. But the future looks bright and next season we hope to run business as usual and have some social events to celebrate things getting back to normal. I am sure we will be organising the away travel coaches with all the fun and banter that entails. Cannot wait COYS !!
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Post by mekon on Dec 27, 2018 14:52:48 GMT
If it will cost the owners even more money to sack HW and appoint someone else, they won't, is my guess. Once the bottom fell out of the 3G4US campaign, leaving no hope of promotion to the EFL unless we ruin the business plan, relegation at some stage became inevitable. And I don't blame the owners if that is their attitude, it is their money they are burning. We have tasted the NL, and it's a bit bitter! I don't think that's a fair assessment of where the owners are at all. It's clear with the benefit of hindsight that they made a mistake (or at least took a gamble that didn't pay off) in hiring Harry Wheeler, I don't for one minute doubt their commitment or ambition for the club. (I don't accept that they've given up on 3G being allowed in the EFL either, but that's moot at the moment.) Personally I think they have very difficult decisions to make now. I'm sure you're correct that it will cost money to terminate HW's contract at this point and even if they were to do so and get a miracle worker in his place immediately, we would still be odds on to go down imho, even if they fork out even more money to bankroll the new messiah.
I don't know how much of a dent would be put into the clubs finances from demotion to the Conference South (I'm sure we had discussions about this last year, which from memory I think merely confirmed that most of us don't really have a clue), but if the aim in that case would be to bounce back as soon as possible I'm sure that would be pretty costly.
IIRC before our win in the play-offs Terry made the point that if we didn't take the chance then it might be several years before the chance came again. Whilst being a bigger fish in the smaller pond that is NL-South might have a certain appeal , I don't think the stats on clubs getting relegated from the Conference and then returning within a few years are very favourable (I have the stats somewhere but can't find them - It's a pity we don't have any other collectors of pointless stats around these parts!). So imho it is a very tough call for Terry and Oliver at this stage; over the last 2 1/2 seasons (& of course long before) I think that have pumped in as much cash as they felt they prudently could (& then some) but now they have to consider whether to pump in even more to try to avoid loosing the value of that investment (some might use the term throwing good money after bad!) So whilst it is certainly true that investing in terminating HW's contract and bankrolling (at least to some degree) a successor would be a 'clear statement of intent', it would also be a gamble.
Frankly I don't see that 'we' have any right to expect that, nor criticise if that is not the path they choose.
I'm sure that if I don't round them off at the pass, someone will come along and suggest that, if only the club would sanction it, we would all be prepared to subscribe to a "12th man fund". With this in mind I would have to remind you to look into why the Elvis End / Genco stand is not called the "Supporters stand". The owners have made mistakes no doubt - that's entirely human - but lets not forget how lucky we are to have level headed owners who have tried so far to ensure that their massive contribution to the club is sustainable. Blimey; I've now officially "gone off on one" - that wasn't quite what I started out to write! Anywa,y the point really is that whilst tempers and emotions are clearly raised, let's keep some perspective and not alienate some people that are really (quite importantly) on our side!
Probaly the most sensible and rationale post I have read on this forum in a long while
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Post by mekon on Dec 27, 2018 14:49:41 GMT
If it will cost the owners even more money to sack HW and appoint someone else, they won't, is my guess. Once the bottom fell out of the 3G4US campaign, leaving no hope of promotion to the EFL unless we ruin the business plan, relegation at some stage became inevitable. And I don't blame the owners if that is their attitude, it is their money they are burning. We have tasted the NL, and it's a bit bitter! I don't think that's a fair assessment of where the owners are at all. It's clear with the benefit of hindsight that they made a mistake (or at least took a gamble that didn't pay off) in hiring Harry Wheeler, I don't for one minute doubt their commitment or ambition for the club. (I don't accept that they've given up on 3G being allowed in the EFL either, but that's moot at the moment.) Personally I think they have very difficult decisions to make now. I'm sure you're correct that it will cost money to terminate HW's contract at this point and even if they were to do so and get a miracle worker in his place immediately, we would still be odds on to go down imho, even if they fork out even more money to bankroll the new messiah.
I don't know how much of a dent would be put into the clubs finances from demotion to the Conference South (I'm sure we had discussions about this last year, which from memory I think merely confirmed that most of us don't really have a clue), but if the aim in that case would be to bounce back as soon as possible I'm sure that would be pretty costly.
IIRC before our win in the play-offs Terry made the point that if we didn't take the chance then it might be several years before the chance came again. Whilst being a bigger fish in the smaller pond that is NL-South might have a certain appeal , I don't think the stats on clubs getting relegated from the Conference and then returning within a few years are very favourable (I have the stats somewhere but can't find them - It's a pity we don't have any other collectors of pointless stats around these parts!). So imho it is a very tough call for Terry and Oliver at this stage; over the last 2 1/2 seasons (& of course long before) I think that have pumped in as much cash as they felt they prudently could (& then some) but now they have to consider whether to pump in even more to try to avoid loosing the value of that investment (some might use the term throwing good money after bad!) So whilst it is certainly true that investing in terminating HW's contract and bankrolling (at least to some degree) a successor would be a 'clear statement of intent', it would also be a gamble.
Frankly I don't see that 'we' have any right to expect that, nor criticise if that is not the path they choose.
I'm sure that if I don't round them off at the pass, someone will come along and suggest that, if only the club would sanction it, we would all be prepared to subscribe to a "12th man fund". With this in mind I would have to remind you to look into why the Elvis End / Genco stand is not called the "Supporters stand". The owners have made mistakes no doubt - that's entirely human - but lets not forget how lucky we are to have level headed owners who have tried so far to ensure that their massive contribution to the club is sustainable. Blimey; I've now officially "gone off on one" - that wasn't quite what I started out to write! Anywa,y the point really is that whilst tempers and emotions are clearly raised, let's keep some perspective and not alienate some people that are really (quite importantly) on our side!
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Post by mekon on Dec 24, 2018 13:44:29 GMT
Mass Hysteria
In this case where folk electronically out-tantrum the last person to put out some rather nasty viewpoints. Where does it all end – self-immolation at the Gallagher Gates ?
It is well known, by sensible folk, that there is only about 8 – 10 regular posters on the message board. They have many on-line aliases in order to repeat their viewpoint and make it appear even more people are agreeing with them. Frankly it smacks of a underlying personality disorder and hopefully Santa can deliver a Group Therapy session to alleviate the suffering of these individuals.
For non-regular board viewers there are designations alongside the various posters (and their aliases) which should help you form an opinion of the views expressed:
GOD : Someone who has far too much time on their hands and needs to see their doctor urgently as they almost certainly need a medication adjustment.
Please note this category appears to be attached to the majority of the posters which tells you all you need to know !
SENIOR MEMBER: Someone who if they continue will migrate from a minor neurosis into a full-blown psychotic episode thus gaining GOD status.
NEW MEMBER: Flee now before you get infected.
Don’t bother posting a response as I for one shall not be reading it, I don’t want to reinforce even more masochistic behaviour.
I hope to hell the owners are taking no notice of the nonsense on this board !!
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Post by mekon on Oct 7, 2018 14:46:01 GMT
Why is this thread called "No Coach to Bromley" as the gibberish posted on it is nothing to do with coach travel ?
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Post by mekon on May 16, 2018 12:45:57 GMT
There is a population of 166,000 in the Borough There is an average of 2,500 at home games That is approximatly 1.5% of the local population. This means that 98.5% of the popluation do not attend matches. So lets get a bit real about the club and supporters impact when considering the grander scheme of things. Personally I feel that borh the council and club are guilty of muppetry along with some of the comments on this board.
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Post by mekon on May 6, 2018 13:08:14 GMT
Councils are around for many decades with various councillors changing the deck chairs very five years. So they have long term tenure and massive influence locally.
So it makes sense to have a very good relationship with the council as like them, football clubs tend to be around decades too.
Well done Gillingham for getting this right.......... others please take note !
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Post by mekon on Apr 25, 2018 6:41:26 GMT
He was a big meaty bugger for sure and he played well. Perhaps we should sign him up, although the player budget might get stretched trying to keep the beast fed.
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Post by mekon on Apr 24, 2018 11:50:50 GMT
It's simple enough - Get rid of everyone and sign up the Macclesfield squad. Apparently they are on low wages !
HODKISS FITZPATRICK PILKINGTON DURRELL MARSH BLISSETT HANCOX WHITEHEAD WHITAKER WILSON RAMSBOTTOM KENNEDY BURGESS
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Post by mekon on Apr 23, 2018 15:42:08 GMT
I think the club made the decision to go more corporate than club house with the Spitfire lounge and perhaps that was the best financial route. However, the time when loads of supporters would drink there Pre-match has long gone.
We need a better squad and that means a better player budget, shrewdly spent and with decent contract clauses. Perhaps holding off, or half heartedly increasing ground capacity. A lot of grounds are terrible and a bit of brinkmanship here may assist towards the player budget.
It’s all about what happens on the pitch. I would guess we have lost 700 - 1,000 per home match because of our dismal form. The surprise being the supporter stayed up as well as it did but, did not increase.
Player budget x 10, we have got to get this right.
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Post by mekon on Apr 9, 2018 11:19:03 GMT
The Saunders out was always the wrong debate !!
Instead it should be what are the owners aspirations next season if we stay-up. Will the owners be able to fund a players budget that will enable the manager to get in quality strikers etc (and keep them) to allow a run for the play-offs.
This will cost a lot of money and the dichotomy is between stress testing the current business-model or another lacklustre campaign that will see attendances and income go down
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Post by mekon on Feb 11, 2018 10:55:40 GMT
How bad are the facilities at this appalling ground. Trape through muddy puddled car park bog with cars coming at you from all directions. Stand on uncovered terrace in rain all match. No cover, even for some home fans. Over privelsged pratts in Directors Stand should be embarassed at what they inflict on away supporters but, I note still take their money. One to avoid next season.
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