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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 19:17:12 GMT
At the risk of stating the obvious, putting home and away fans alongside each other is always asking for trouble.
Any spare cash left over from our cup run needs to go into making the Town End for away supporters. Willy waving from 100 yards away is much less provocative than ten.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 19:21:05 GMT
A few Yeovil fans completely out of control, stewards barely able to cope (although they did just about manage to stop them getting acroos/round the 'barrier'), Plod late and appeared to do nothing. And idiots throwing flares/smoke bombs/? into the Stones supporters. Madness. All for a NS game??! Yeovil need to get a grip. This is not acceptable at any level, but especially at 6th tier. The Police were there all game, they just stood on the steps watching as the security/stewards lost control of the situation. They literally did! Just stood and watched - while the stewards were seconds away from losing control and all hell breaking out. If those lunatics had got through to our fans, f**k knows what would have happened. I assume stewards are trained for these situations, but dealing with violent idiots, whilst trying to stick to guidelines, is next to impossible. The police don't have that problem - they know what do, and are allowed to do it. |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 3, 2024 19:29:49 GMT
Sharing an end never really works out! Is there any way away fans can have the Town end and Stones fans have the whole Genco?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 19:40:50 GMT
Sharing an end never really works out! Is there any way away fans can have the Town end and Stones fans have the whole Genco? Of course there is. If there's a will, there's a way... But if you suggest it on here, you will be told "it can't be done" or "if it could be done, they would have done it by now". Sharing the Genco is just asking for trouble. We only just got away with it today. Something has to be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 19:43:31 GMT
I think segregation should be as such, us on the inside and them on the outside.
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Post by bermudastone on Feb 3, 2024 19:45:01 GMT
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 3, 2024 19:50:14 GMT
Sharing an end never really works out! Is there any way away fans can have the Town end and Stones fans have the whole Genco? Of course there is. If there's a will, there's a way... But if you suggest it on here, you will be told "it can't be done" or "if it could be done, they would have done it by now". Sharing the Genco is just asking for trouble. We only just got away with it today. Something has to be done. The opposite fans are far too close. It's extremely lucky someone wasn't badly hurt today. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 20:09:35 GMT
Of course there is. If there's a will, there's a way... But if you suggest it on here, you will be told "it can't be done" or "if it could be done, they would have done it by now". Sharing the Genco is just asking for trouble. We only just got away with it today. Something has to be done. The opposite fans are far too close. It's extremely lucky someone wasn't badly hurt today. Very lucky. It was touch and go for about five minutes when those Yeovil idiots were trying to break through the line of stewards. There would have been carnage if they'd got through. Anyone reading this who wasn't at the game, don't be fooled, it wasn't just the 'usual', there were a couple of Yeovil 'fans' who had completely lost it. Not to mention pyrotechnics being thrown into our side. In the last few games we've had fans crushed in a pitch invasion (one ending up in hosital with broken ribs and a punctured lung), an idiot falling off the stand at Ipswich and landing on the people (including kids) below, and now today's trouble. I can't see the FA/NL not noticing all this. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 20:29:33 GMT
To be honest all of this is not new but compared to games like Corby Town away many years ago when police and stewards were the only things between us and the local Scottish brigade trying to get at us with huge blades and machetes. I even remember one plod being literally thrown ,airborne, down about 20 steps. Yes pigs can fly. Stafford away when it was around 250 home fans against 20 Stones fans and the coppers laughing saying your all big enough to look after yourselves. We had to rip the back of the stand off to make weapons. Happy Days
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Post by bermudastone on Feb 3, 2024 21:26:16 GMT
To be honest all of this is not new but compared to games like Corby Town away many years ago when police and stewards were the only things between us and the local Scottish brigade trying to get at us with huge blades and machetes. I even remember one plod being literally thrown ,airborne, down about 20 steps. Yes pigs can fly. Stafford away when it was around 250 home fans against 20 Stones fans and the coppers laughing saying your all big enough to look after yourselves. We had to rip the back of the stand off to make weapons. Happy Days Ah, the Good Old Days Sword. My favorite memories are of the London Tavern top of Week Street on a Saturday night after a game down at the Athletic ground when the Squaddies were let loose from Invicta Park ! Great memories. |
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Post by jt on Feb 3, 2024 22:19:31 GMT
Police have limited powers in a football ground but it's too complicated for me to go into so will never be the first people to go in for any situation.
That will be down to the clubs security to manage.
It's very easy to say what they should be doing when you're not on the end of it face to face.
Sometimes your own self preservation is the only thing you may be thinking about.
You can have all the training and role playing under the sun but when facing violence it's not so easy to remember unless you face it time after time after time.
I've been those situations at most grounds in London and it isn't fun at all. Selhurst Park and Millwall are the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 23:05:05 GMT
Police have limited powers in a football ground but it's too complicated for me to go into so will never be the first people to go in for any situation. That will be down to the clubs security to manage. It's very easy to say what they should be doing when you're not on the end of it face to face. Sometimes your own self preservation is the only thing you may be thinking about. You can have all the training and role playing under the sun but when facing violence it's not so easy to remember unless you face it time after time after time. I've been those situations at most grounds in London and it isn't fun at all. Selhurst Park and Millwall are the worst. Interesting - and a bit worrying. What would you have been allowed to do if you'd been with those stewards today trying to hold that idiot back? Would it make any difference if he had hit you - or tried to? Or if he had hit anyone else? And, if they had broken through the line of stewards and started fighting the Stones fans, would you be able to do more - or remove/arrest anyone? Are some aspects of violence considered different under the law if they're on private property? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2024 23:05:15 GMT
Sharing an end never really works out! Is there any way away fans can have the Town end and Stones fans have the whole Genco? You just had to ask, didn’t you 🫣🤭 |
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Post by jt on Feb 3, 2024 23:53:04 GMT
Police have limited powers in a football ground but it's too complicated for me to go into so will never be the first people to go in for any situation. That will be down to the clubs security to manage. It's very easy to say what they should be doing when you're not on the end of it face to face. Sometimes your own self preservation is the only thing you may be thinking about. You can have all the training and role playing under the sun but when facing violence it's not so easy to remember unless you face it time after time after time. I've been those situations at most grounds in London and it isn't fun at all. Selhurst Park and Millwall are the worst. Interesting - and a bit worrying. What would you have been allowed to do if you'd been with those stewards today trying to hold that idiot back? Would it make any difference if he had hit you - or tried to? Or if he had hit anyone else? And, if they had broken through the line of stewards and started fighting the Stones fans, would you be able to do more - or remove/arrest anyone? Are some aspects of violence considered different under the law if they're on private property? All I remember is that police used to be there to be handed trouble makers when they had been taken out when offences had been committed. It is rare for them to wade in. Most grounds including ours have good CCTV and filming and offenders can be identified and dealt with later. As someone pointed out earlier it can often inflame a situation trying to drag one or 2 people out Outside the ground is a different matter but the police have to consider several things. In London there are thousands of officers and at any Cat A game hundreds dedicated for the sole purpose of policing one match. A Maidstone game will have a very small number of officers who will also be part of the response team for the most of the county so they have so much more to deal with. Before retiring I worked in Lambeth and Southwark and we had a similar number of officers in those 2 boroughs to what the whole of Kent does |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 4, 2024 7:06:07 GMT
Interesting - and a bit worrying. What would you have been allowed to do if you'd been with those stewards today trying to hold that idiot back? Would it make any difference if he had hit you - or tried to? Or if he had hit anyone else? And, if they had broken through the line of stewards and started fighting the Stones fans, would you be able to do more - or remove/arrest anyone? Are some aspects of violence considered different under the law if they're on private property? All I remember is that police used to be there to be handed trouble makers when they had been taken out when offences had been committed. It is rare for them to wade in. Most grounds including ours have good CCTV and filming and offenders can be identified and dealt with later. As someone pointed out earlier it can often inflame a situation trying to drag one or 2 people out Outside the ground is a different matter but the police have to consider several things. In London there are thousands of officers and at any Cat A game hundreds dedicated for the sole purpose of policing one match. A Maidstone game will have a very small number of officers who will also be part of the response team for the most of the county so they have so much more to deal with. Before retiring I worked in Lambeth and Southwark and we had a similar number of officers in those 2 boroughs to what the whole of Kent does There were some serious lumps in that away end who had been drinking all day. Who can honestly say they would go into that are are drag someone out? |
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