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Post by 61666 on Oct 26, 2022 7:43:40 GMT
Highlights don't make it any better. Hoyte arguably at fault for all three goals. First went through his legs, second, albeit a screamer, because he lost his man at the corner flag and the third misread the bounce in the area. His body language at the end said it all. Not impressed with Terry, post match (where was Hak?) either. A tale of two penalty areas? We had nothing in midfield and looked overwhelmed every time they went forward. Southend took their foot off the gas second half, which was the only reason we weren't completely murdered. Their fans singing "can we play you every week" says it all. Would new management make a difference? Maybe, but where would it come from, given our lack of finances? Same goes for finding new players. Somehow, we need to hold on to Galvin for a bit longer, off load all those who currently don't feature, about ten on some estimates, and find a Lewis and Prestedge from somewhere. We may have already won more games than Dover did last season, but can't see where the next one is coming from, especially if we can't beat Yeovil on Saturday.
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Post by steveh21 on Oct 26, 2022 7:46:05 GMT
Rumour, rumour, rumour. Ok no question we were outclassed last night by a middle of the table team. They looked World class compared to our players. Sadly, Stones seemed disjointed with precious little passing ability, not enough movement, too often outfought, with Southend winning most of the second balls, better possession and much more goal threat. Mens against boys. No idea if Hak is selecting his best players or getting his tactics right. But performances and results def pose the question. The old chesnut about whether Hak has lost the dressing room has surfaced in lots of quarters. If he has lost players then something has to change but that doesn't necessarily mean Hak imo. If we have disloyal players on the books they need to be got rid and quick The attendance last night was dismal given the support from Southend who gave their team plenty. Good for them ! The ticketing arrangements were shocking, no way would I have attended if I wasnt a STH. Loads of other people obviously felt the same. This thread is aptly titled. The attendance was what all sensible fans predicted when the game was made all ticket. Playing Southend at home on a Tuesday night should have brought a crowd in excess of 3,500. Who would have thought that making it difficult for fans to buy tickets and watch the game would backfire? No neutrals from around Kent football community would have bothered. There were some Southend fans in the Town End and there was not any trouble.. they just wanted to watch their team play football.
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Post by bear5 on Oct 26, 2022 8:18:54 GMT
Funnily, I obviously didn't think it was great but it wasn't absolutely terrible - Barham should have done better at least twice in the first half and there was plenty of crosses in the box in the second half. However, by then it was all a little late.
I can't say also that certain players were terrible either, other than Alaibi who plays the game about five seconds after everyone else - he just never seems to anticpate anything, always on his heels. It's the first time I've seen Barkers and you do think is he really any better than what we have. As for the others, there is a noticeable lack of confidence in some and Booty looks frustrated - the long punt up the field when we had no one in their half was bizarre. Corne looks frustrated with everything around him as well but although I think he's good enough for this level, he's up against much better players. Hoyte does look like he's struggling - before the season I would have put him the category of players who may be alright in the NL but it was by no means certain. Having seen him in various games now I would say that he can't cut it, although Bridge was a good player against him.
All in all, it looks bleak. If we bring in more players then we're entering HW territory with never the same team appearing twice but we do need something else because beyond Luque this is it really. These players have to be experienced at this level though - JS turned the first season around by doing this with Stuart Lewis, Reece Prestedge, DSY, etc. not bringing in another loanee who's managed 20 games in five years.
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Post by daveu on Oct 26, 2022 8:38:21 GMT
What’s going on with the Ash out stuff I heard around the Gallagher tonight? Wankers. Can people not accept that this is a sport and it’s okay to be a shit team. There’s gonna be infighting soon enough Morons who've only been coming for a few years and have known nothing but success and expect nothing but success.
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Post by daveu on Oct 26, 2022 8:40:56 GMT
Two players barely featuring. Wouldn’t surprise me if they thought it but not great for them to verbalise it Another comment says both Galvin and Barkers left the pitch saying Hak isn't good enough. God knows. Ironic that from Barkers who was the worst player on the pitch by a mile.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Oct 26, 2022 9:06:32 GMT
Another comment says both Galvin and Barkers left the pitch saying Hak isn't good enough. God knows. Ironic that from Barkers who was the worst player on the pitch by a mile. The guy is genuinely 9ft tall and I think I'd have a chance of winning an aerial challenge against him. It does blow my mind these players come on loan looking to kick start their careers and are either that poor or genuinely do not look arsed. Purely for selfish reasons, you'd imagine they'd want to really shine regardless of what their opinion of the manager is but, here we are...
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Post by sword65 on Oct 26, 2022 9:23:52 GMT
Not being there last night I cannot comment on team or individual performances but I would like to ask those who want 10 players out and new blood in how that can be done with all the players on contract that I assume we have to honour for the season. I'll admit I don't understand such things,can we get rid of them outside the transfer window? Does the transfer window even affect us? If the players are not good enough for a team that lies 2nd bottom then who wants them? Can clubs from lower leagues afford the full time money that we are paying the players? Why would so called professionals drop a league and take a pay cut when they can sit on our bench,do nothing and get good money? Are we now paying the financial penalty for turning professional and is it time to pull the plug on professionalism and revert back to semi pro status? Without an influx of serious money we are and doubtlessly always will be a lower midtable side at best,its obvious that money will not arrive from the current owners so is throwing good money at a club to continually finish bottom half a good or even feasible way forward? Lots of questions very few answers perhaps some of you can answer some of them.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Oct 26, 2022 9:37:06 GMT
At half time last night, I thought I'd have a quick look to see who was in their squad and what their careers looked like. Pretty much all non-league players with minimal, if any league experience:
Andeng Ndi - Southend Academy Bridge - Bromley Fonguck - Barnet Hobson - Weymouth Husin - Dartford Kensdale - Colchester Lopata - Sheffield United (1 game, youth player in Poland beforehand) Cavanagh - Eastleigh Powell - Kettering Scott-Morris - Hemel Hempstead Wreh - Banbury
So that's 1 academy player, 2 from league 2, 3 from National and 5 from the leagues below. Where are we going wrong? Our recruitment seems shocking comparatively if they can take 5 players from leagues below and make them into a team that good.
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Post by 7oaks on Oct 26, 2022 9:48:13 GMT
Was it really Hoyte at fault for the second goal (from the corner). It looked to me as though it was Galvin who was defending at that point? I also felt that to blame him for the other two was harsh. I still feel that the problem generally was the recruitment during the summer.
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Post by bear5 on Oct 26, 2022 9:55:15 GMT
Not being there last night I cannot comment on team or individual performances but I would like to ask those who want 10 players out and new blood in how that can be done with all the players on contract that I assume we have to honour for the season. I'll admit I don't understand such things,can we get rid of them outside the transfer window? Does the transfer window even affect us? If the players are not good enough for a team that lies 2nd bottom then who wants them? Can clubs from lower leagues afford the full time money that we are paying the players? Why would so called professionals drop a league and take a pay cut when they can sit on our bench,do nothing and get good money? Are we now paying the financial penalty for turning professional and is it time to pull the plug on professionalism and revert back to semi pro status? Without an influx of serious money we are and doubtlessly always will be a lower midtable side at best,its obvious that money will not arrive from the current owners so is throwing good money at a club to continually finish bottom half a good or even feasible way forward? Lots of questions very few answers perhaps some of you can answer some of them. I'm not sure we need 10 players - we're really not that bad but the confidence has gone. I don't really think the side we put out last night was any better than started the season, which is a problem. What would be really useful is for experienced players at this level, not just another player who is on loan from higher up or has bounced from club to club playing a few games here and there. As for your questions, it's difficult to get rid of players or get good ones in at this time of the season. When Stuart Lewis, etc. came in I'm pretty sure it was in January when, I assume, clubs and players both know that it isn't going to work out and are a bit more realistic in what they want.
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Post by Stonethecrow on Oct 26, 2022 10:01:57 GMT
At half time last night, I thought I'd have a quick look to see who was in their squad and what their careers looked like. Pretty much all non-league players with minimal, if any league experience: Andeng Ndi - Southend Academy Bridge - Bromley Fonguck - Barnet Hobson - Weymouth Husin - Dartford Kensdale - Colchester Lopata - Sheffield United (1 game, youth player in Poland beforehand) Cavanagh - Eastleigh Powell - Kettering Scott-Morris - Hemel Hempstead Wreh - Banbury So that's 1 academy player, 2 from league 2, 3 from National and 5 from the leagues below. Where are we going wrong? Our recruitment seems shocking comparatively if they can take 5 players from leagues below and make them into a team that good. So the players are out there ! We pretty much all wanted Hak to keep our title winning team, knowing that the club also needed some quality signings in addition. The first part happened, the second didn't. Hak also re-signed squad players who didnt get regular matches in NLS last season. Iffy ! So Hak hasn't done at all well so far. Nobody thought it would be easy. But he needs the whole season to sort this, one way or another.
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Post by deadly on Oct 26, 2022 10:22:27 GMT
2 points out of the last 27 is beyond relegation form.
Lots of analysis, moans and groans, it can't get any worse.
Hak and Terry have delivered well below expectations so far but the point is it is 'so far'.
Carry on as we are and Stones are well and truly in the mire.
But our management duo deserve the chance that a full season gives them.
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Post by Dickie on Oct 26, 2022 10:26:28 GMT
Agree with you deadly.
Some of the players are struggling at this level but the first to be shown the exit door must be those who dont want to play for Hakan.
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Post by pwoodstone on Oct 26, 2022 10:31:46 GMT
Agree with a lot of the summaries here.
Re Hoyte, he has been one of my favourite players but someone at his age, plays in the NLS for a reason.
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Post by Harry on Oct 26, 2022 10:45:00 GMT
Sadly have to agree about Hoyte.
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