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Post by 1018 on Apr 2, 2020 9:19:51 GMT
This extract is from a report posted on the BBC website about an hour ago...
"China has approved the use of bear bile to treat critically ill coronavirus patients. The National Health Commission has recommended the use of Tan Re Qing - an injection that contains bear bile, goat horn and herbs - to treat patients with Covid-19. But there is no evidence the mixture has any medicinal value."
No indication of the source of the report. Anyone supporting the approach of the Chinese Authorities really needs to have a rethink.
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 2, 2020 9:30:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 10:46:32 GMT
An American bleating about Communists - never seen that happen before...
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Post by jdl on Apr 2, 2020 11:16:08 GMT
An American bleating about Communists - never seen that happen before... Corona - communist. Very similar words...
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 2, 2020 13:13:00 GMT
An American bleating about Communists - never seen that happen before... Yes but both are speaking from experience. As you see in the first video he has lived in PRC for 10 years and is a fluent speaker (you may now have sene his motorbike travelogues with his ZA friend Winston on TV). The second is a regular visitor to HK but because of his posts would not be allowed into the PRC. This is not some middle America knee-jerk reaction but people with first hand connections and knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 13:29:21 GMT
I'm just trying to steer clear of stuff where one country blames another, whether it be the NY Times criticising Boris, or the BBC on Trump, let alone pieces like these with such an obvious agenda from the outset. I did notice with interest on the BBC article about the bear-gland treatment that the sale of wild animals for food in China has been banned - how far will they be able to enforce that (from what you're saying HKS, they'll claim 100% success...)? Will it just go black-market? Will they make a genuine job of stamping it out? Will it become as culturally obsolete as DaveU's hair?
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Post by jdl on Apr 2, 2020 15:34:26 GMT
I'm just trying to steer clear of stuff where one country blames another, whether it be the NY Times criticising Boris, or the BBC on Trump, let alone pieces like these with such an obvious agenda from the outset. I did notice with interest on the BBC article about the bear-gland treatment that the sale of wild animals for food in China has been banned - how far will they be able to enforce that (from what you're saying HKS, they'll claim 100% success...)? Will it just go black-market? Will they make a genuine job of stamping it out? Will it become as culturally obsolete as DaveU's hair? This month's winner of the Frenchstone Award for squeezing in a completely random DaveU hair comment! I'm sure I read/heard somewhere at the start of all this that the Chinese government had already banned these live animal markets. But China is a bloody big place, with an unimaginably huge poulation, many of whom (even in the cities) are basically peasants, and many who can't read. So, even an autocratic and controlling regime as the CCP can't possibly manage to control all aspects of their society. I imagine that these 'wet markets' weren't seen as high priority before this happened, so they turned a blind eye. Presumably, now they'll have as high a priority as Facebook and dissident artists...
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Post by jdl on Apr 2, 2020 15:36:17 GMT
This extract is from a report posted on the BBC website about an hour ago... "China has approved the use of bear bile to treat critically ill coronavirus patients. The National Health Commission has recommended the use of Tan Re Qing - an injection that contains bear bile, goat horn and herbs - to treat patients with Covid-19. But there is no evidence the mixture has any medicinal value." No indication of the source of the report. Anyone supporting the approach of the Chinese Authorities really needs to have a rethink. You should check out the Hungarian health care system! Or just listen to my wife reporting on all the sure-fire remedies she's picked up from FB...
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 3, 2020 1:59:28 GMT
I'm just trying to steer clear of stuff where one country blames another, whether it be the NY Times criticising Boris, or the BBC on Trump, let alone pieces like these with such an obvious agenda from the outset. I did notice with interest on the BBC article about the bear-gland treatment that the sale of wild animals for food in China has been banned - how far will they be able to enforce that (from what you're saying HKS, they'll claim 100% success...)? Will it just go black-market? Will they make a genuine job of stamping it out? Will it become as culturally obsolete as DaveU's hair? I take your point about possible blame apportionment but the CCP (not China or Chinese people) are guilty as charged. The first video does not have an agenda. The guy has been posting from within the PRC for years and has only recently moved to Taiwan where he can speak more freely on the facts of the matter which he was unable to do so previously. I will admit the second video does have a bit of an agenda as they are against the illegal organ harvesting that takes place in PRC upon Uigher minorities, political dissidents or Falun Gong practioners. WRT to the PRC recommending bear bile as a treatment this is just an extension of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). This was created by Chairman Mao and the theory is similar to using leeches or other old wives tales. It was created because Mao had either killed or incarcerated the intellectuals (including medical professionals) and had no money for "real" medicines. So as a result the CCP revived TCM and gave it a significant place on the politbureau committees that has extended to this day. Hence the quack medicine recommendations. As for claiming about banning wild animal sales, of course they will say that but it will continue albeit at slightly higher prices to pay bribes for officials to look the other way. One of the key animal suspects to the CCPvirus is thought to be Pangolin scales which is the worlds biggest illegal wild animal trade and also a key component of TCM which allegedly 'envigorates' manhood.
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Post by hongkongstone on Apr 3, 2020 2:14:33 GMT
I'm just trying to steer clear of stuff where one country blames another, whether it be the NY Times criticising Boris, or the BBC on Trump, let alone pieces like these with such an obvious agenda from the outset. I did notice with interest on the BBC article about the bear-gland treatment that the sale of wild animals for food in China has been banned - how far will they be able to enforce that (from what you're saying HKS, they'll claim 100% success...)? Will it just go black-market? Will they make a genuine job of stamping it out? Will it become as culturally obsolete as DaveU's hair? This month's winner of the Frenchstone Award for squeezing in a completely random DaveU hair comment! I'm sure I read/heard somewhere at the start of all this that the Chinese government had already banned these live animal markets. But China is a bloody big place, with an unimaginably huge poulation, many of whom (even in the cities) are basically peasants, and many who can't read. So, even an autocratic and controlling regime as the CCP can't possibly manage to control all aspects of their society. I imagine that these 'wet markets' weren't seen as high priority before this happened, so they turned a blind eye. Presumably, now they'll have as high a priority as Facebook and dissident artists... The wet markets will continue regardless as they have for hundreds of years as they are intrinsic in the culture but however are a cradle for cross-contamination & infection. I cannot begin to describe, for example about live chickens being caged next to slaughtered chickens in a non-refrigerated environment. Maybe I'll take some pics for you all one day but it would not be for the faint hearted.
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Post by 61666 on Apr 3, 2020 8:04:56 GMT
Scary stuff! What is also becoming increasingly worrying here is that elements of government are proving wanting, even as the NHS, food supply and other front line workers are ever more the heroes. Take the protection gear. Seems like it is still not getting everywhere it should, despite claims on the daily briefings. Testing meanwhile is a total shambles. When the WHO are saying test, test, test, it is arguable that we have been doing three fifths of five eighths of not very much. As a result, the government has no clear idea of where/how the virus is spreading, other than the death rate. Hence, we still don't know just how dangerous the pandemic is here. Germany seems to be the only country in Europe with a handle on it, probably because of their strong manufacturing base, which means they have the equipment and materials to do it. Over a week ago, we were told that three million antibody tests had been ordered, which made it sound like they were imminent. Now we hear these are still weeks away. As a result, we have no exit strategy, because we don't know who has got it, or who has had it. The only effective advice has been stay at home and wash your hands. Warm weather coming for the weekend and very much suspect many will attempt to go out again, which will only prompt a more severe lockdown. And the country continues to haemorrhage money, with little hope for many and farmers now joining the clamour because crops are now ready for harvesting and we have no EU workers available. I'm probably being naïve, but I thought this sort of strategic stuff is what governments were meant to do. We couldn't even answer an email about sharing resources with the EU FFS, so are now going it alone at the very time we should sharing resources. Enough already! However, from grudging admiration of our PM's early messages, am afraid it is all starting to sound rather hollow. It was my main worry at the election and is growing more every day. Extract the digit you lot.
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Post by 61666 on Apr 3, 2020 9:52:28 GMT
And here we go. Antibody tests now pushed back down the agenda, because there isn't one that is seen as reliable enough yet. Essentially then, the government lied to us about having three million on order that we could get hold of ourselves 'next week'. Just how much of the rest of what we are being told is bullshit too, I wonder? Hopefully, very little, but things are starting to sound familiar. Remember all those Brexit promises?
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Post by rollingstone on Apr 4, 2020 9:28:36 GMT
All these refugees who pour into dover on their rafts and dinghies are tested straight away!
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Post by jdl on Apr 4, 2020 11:24:48 GMT
And here we go. Antibody tests now pushed back down the agenda, because there isn't one that is seen as reliable enough yet. Essentially then, the government lied to us about having three million on order that we could get hold of ourselves 'next week'. Just how much of the rest of what we are being told is bullshit too, I wonder? Hopefully, very little, but things are starting to sound familiar. Remember all those Brexit promises? Anyone who expected anything else from a charlatan with a track record like Johnston's (see his time as Mayor of London) and a party of extreme right-wingers and incompetents, elected on the nonsense slogan of "getting Brexit done", should hardly be surprised by any of this. When the Great Pretender won, I thought oh well, we lost, it's not the end of the world. But I now fear that historians will come to look back on 2019 as a 'perfect storm' of disastrous coincidence - a pandemic hits just as 'we' elect a government least able to cope with it.
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Post by daveu on Apr 4, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
And here we go. Antibody tests now pushed back down the agenda, because there isn't one that is seen as reliable enough yet. Essentially then, the government lied to us about having three million on order that we could get hold of ourselves 'next week'. Just how much of the rest of what we are being told is bullshit too, I wonder? Hopefully, very little, but things are starting to sound familiar. Remember all those Brexit promises? Anyone who expected anything else from a charlatan with a track record like Johnston's (see his time as Mayor of London) and a party of extreme right-wingers and incompetents, elected on the nonsense slogan of "getting Brexit done", should hardly be surprised by any of this. When the Great Pretender won, I thought oh well, we lost, it's not the end of the world. But I now fear that historians will come to look back on 2019 as a 'perfect storm' of disastrous coincidence - a pandemic hits just as 'we' elect a government least able to cope with it. Do you really think Corben's mob would have done any better. We don't have competent politicians in this country. Germany started ordering chemicals for testing kits as soon as the first cases were recorded outside China. They, and North Korea have plentiful supplies. Most of the rest of the World is playing catch up and scrabbling around for what's left. Some countries have politicians who act, some have politicians who talk and unfortunately we're in the second group.
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