Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations.

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So, Cameron's bodyguard leaves his hand gun in the airplane toilet. More worrying perhaps is that he was also looking after the ex PM's passport. Can't he be trusted to do that himself???

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Feb 5, 2020 7:23:32 GMT sword65 said:

Feb 5, 2020 0:20:20 GMT nws said:

That will suit brexiters who want Victorian times to return

You lost ,deal with it. Get that screw tightened while you are at it. If things are gonna be as bad as you think then why not take a trip to Beachy head and throw yourself off of it then you will not have to worry anymore.

You had 40+ years to go to Beachy Head when it was supposed to be as bad as you claimed and you didn't make it. Ahhh, except things were not were they, you just blamed the failings of successive UK governments on the EU because rich people who benefited from UK government policy told you to. It wasn't true. There are not hordes of immigrants taking jobs and reducing wages (one report I have put on here this morning reveals that Vince Cable said the Tories suppressed nine labour market studies that showed this to be untrue), we would not have had to join the Euro in 2021 etc etc

I am trying to deal with it. We are stretching ourselves to get my wife qualified to the point she will be in great demand and I am starting down the same road. If job losses come they will most likely be in manufacturing and agriculture. It wasn't a remainer that said that but the arch-god of Brexit economics himself (to a parliamentary committee). I bet you can't even name him but you are espousing his will.

Oh and I heard an interview with Peter Wilding recently (look him up). He said that he found that we were a powerful and influential voice at the very top table of the EU. Not quite the narrative we got at home was it. Ask yourself why that was or rest easy that the Barclay Brothers have your best interests at heart (again look them up)

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Feb 5, 2020 11:51:09 GMT nws said:

Feb 5, 2020 7:23:32 GMT sword65 said:

You lost ,deal with it. Get that screw tightened while you are at it. If things are gonna be as bad as you think then why not take a trip to Beachy head and throw yourself off of it then you will not have to worry anymore.

You had 40+ years to go to Beachy Head when it was supposed to be as bad as you claimed and you didn't make it. Ahhh, except things were not were they, you just blamed the failings of successive UK governments on the EU because rich people who benefited from UK government policy told you to. It wasn't true. There are not hordes of immigrants taking jobs and reducing wages (one report I have put on here this morning reveals that Vince Cable said the Tories suppressed nine labour market studies that showed this to be untrue), we would not have had to join the Euro in 2021 etc etc

I am trying to deal with it. We are stretching ourselves to get my wife qualified to the point she will be in great demand and I am starting down the same road. If job losses come they will most likely be in manufacturing and agriculture. It wasn't a remainer that said that but the arch-god of Brexit economics himself (to a parliamentary committee). I bet you can't even name him but you are espousing his will.

Oh and I heard an interview with Peter Wilding recently (look him up). He said that he found that we were a powerful and influential voice at the very top table of the EU. Not quite the narrative we got at home was it. Ask yourself why that was or rest easy that the Barclay Brothers have your best interests at heart (again look them up)

I read what you write but as I have said before ,I am one person and I can do nothing to affect any of this and neither can you so what is the point of getting stressed out, worrying about it when its gonna happen ,good orbad, whether you like it or not. Just chill out and wait and see what happens.

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Excuse me sword, but you have been an arch brexiteer, slagging of everything that comes out of the EU, including immigrants.
Not exactly the chilled out guy, just waiting see what happens, all sort of nonchalant sort of bloke.

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Feb 5, 2020 12:12:16 GMT sword65 said:

Feb 5, 2020 11:51:09 GMT nws said:

You had 40+ years to go to Beachy Head when it was supposed to be as bad as you claimed and you didn't make it. Ahhh, except things were not were they, you just blamed the failings of successive UK governments on the EU because rich people who benefited from UK government policy told you to. It wasn't true. There are not hordes of immigrants taking jobs and reducing wages (one report I have put on here this morning reveals that Vince Cable said the Tories suppressed nine labour market studies that showed this to be untrue), we would not have had to join the Euro in 2021 etc etc

I am trying to deal with it. We are stretching ourselves to get my wife qualified to the point she will be in great demand and I am starting down the same road. If job losses come they will most likely be in manufacturing and agriculture. It wasn't a remainer that said that but the arch-god of Brexit economics himself (to a parliamentary committee). I bet you can't even name him but you are espousing his will.

Oh and I heard an interview with Peter Wilding recently (look him up). He said that he found that we were a powerful and influential voice at the very top table of the EU. Not quite the narrative we got at home was it. Ask yourself why that was or rest easy that the Barclay Brothers have your best interests at heart (again look them up)

I read what you write but as I have said before ,I am one person and I can do nothing to affect any of this and neither can you so what is the point of getting stressed out, worrying about it when its gonna happen ,good orbad, whether you like it or not. Just chill out and wait and see what happens.

In response to a variety of facts or intellectual viewpoints I have put to you, you have responded by telling me that 'I lost get over it', to jump off Beachy Head and to 'chill out and wait and see what happens'. You have also made the spurious claim that a load of us want things to go badly so we can say we told you so, despite the fact that I have constantly said I hope I am apologising and saying I am wrong. I have little choice but to wait and see what happens now and rest assured I will be part of the backlash if we are royally screwed over. I'm not sure how I chill out when I watch people who can't or won't confront reality vote for puppetmasters that will wreck their lives, and mine, while telling them it was someone else's fault. Don't forget it took less than 24 hours before we had the claim, on here, that Brexit could get wrecked by remainers that won't make it work. Sorry but Brexit will go wrong by itself not because I think it is a stupid idea.

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Feb 5, 2020 13:23:47 GMT nws said:

Feb 5, 2020 12:12:16 GMT sword65 said:

I read what you write but as I have said before ,I am one person and I can do nothing to affect any of this and neither can you so what is the point of getting stressed out, worrying about it when its gonna happen ,good orbad, whether you like it or not. Just chill out and wait and see what happens.

In response to a variety of facts or intellectual viewpoints I have put to you, you have responded by telling me that 'I lost get over it', to jump off Beachy Head and to 'chill out and wait and see what happens'. You have also made the spurious claim that a load of us want things to go badly so we can say we told you so, despite the fact that I have constantly said I hope I am apologising and saying I am wrong. I have little choice but to wait and see what happens now and rest assured I will be part of the backlash if we are royally screwed over. I'm not sure how I chill out when I watch people who can't or won't confront reality vote for puppetmasters that will wreck their lives, and mine, while telling them it was someone else's fault. Don't forget it took less than 24 hours before we had the claim, on here, that Brexit could get wrecked by remainers that won't make it work. Sorry but Brexit will go wrong by itself not because I think it is a stupid idea.

But I didnt vote for them. You are only arguing your point of view ,what about all the other contributors who are dissing our future before our future has arrived are you speaking for them as well? I refuse to worry about things I have no control over and I just cannot understand why you go to certain lengths to do completely the opposite. You worrying about things, intellectually explaining things, giving me facts that may or may not be right will still change nothing so why do it? You are worrying about your children's future well that is something worth worrying about but maybe it should be them worrying about yours because you'll drive yourself insane if you keep your actions up. Your future maybe in a rubber room all because you keep worrying ,and worrying and worrying some more. If you wont chill out for your own sake then do it for your kids.

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There's a basic disconnect in the whole Brexit 'discussion' - the referendum wasn't actually about leaving the EU.

Had it been just about that it would have been more like a 75-25 split in favour of staying. The whole thing was hijacked by the extreme right, nutters like Cummings, egoist like Farage and careerist like Johnson - they saw it as their vehicle to achieve their own ends, and persuaded the disaffected to help them do it. The EU, and our citizenship, was just collateral damage.

Which is why arguing about the EU or the effect of Brexit, etc, will unfortunately get us nowhere. The people who benefited form the result don’t give a toss about any of it – Farage got his moment of fame, Johnson got to be PM, and the far-right and Cummings are now running the country and can do whatever they want to it – and us.

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I agree with Sword. NWS the best thing you can do is to make the current situation work for the next generation. Staying in was as much of a gamble as coming out of the EU. The difference is we now have only ourselves to blame if it goes tits up but at least we can vote out the politicians if they let us down - something we could not do to the EU bureaucrats.

"Oh and I heard an interview with Peter Wilding recently (look him up). He said that he found that we were a powerful and influential voice at the very top table of the EU. Not quite the narrative we got at home was it." I have heard this said before but no one has been able to give me examples of what our powerful voice achieved. It did not change the CAP or the ridiculous migration of the bureaucrats at enormous expense every month. Can you give any examples of wins we made with our influence NWS?

[OldBoy73]

Feb 5, 2020 16:46:42 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

There's a basic disconnect in the whole Brexit 'discussion' - the referendum wasn't actually about leaving the EU.

Had it been just about that it would have been more like a 75-25 split in favour of staying. The whole thing was hijacked by the extreme right, nutters like Cummings, egoist like Farage and careerist like Johnson - they saw it as their vehicle to achieve their own ends, and persuaded the disaffected to help them do it. The EU, and our citizenship, was just collateral damage.

Which is why arguing about the EU or the effect of Brexit, etc, will unfortunately get us nowhere. The people who benefited form the result don’t give a toss about any of it – Farage got his moment of fame, Johnson got to be PM, and the far-right and Cummings are now running the country and can do whatever they want to it – and us.

"the referendum wasn't actually about leaving the EU" ?

Errrr………..I know I'm going to regret this, but what was it about then, as Im pretty sure that's what the question was on the voting paper I filled in.

Surely even "Mr Facts" NWS will agree that the 2016 referendum was, indeed, a vote on remaining in, or leaving, the EU?

Or are we now going to try to re-write history because it isn't what we wanted?

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Not only was it a binary choice about leaving or remaining in the EU, it was completely free and fair, and no more people voted on the basis of what was written on a bus, than voted because of the threat of immediate recession and mass unemployment. And no, it was nothing to do with the Russians.

[OldBoy73]

Feb 5, 2020 17:19:54 GMT Benny said:

Not only was it a binary choice about leaving or remaining in the EU, it was completely free and fair, and no more people voted on the basis of what was written on a bus, than voted because of the threat of immediate recession and mass unemployment. And no, it was nothing to do with the Russians.

Thanks Barney, now that's cleared up, please please please please can Admin banish this thread to the non Football threads once and for all?

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I've long thought there should be just two forums; Stones and non Stones. Most the other sub forums are moribund these days.

[Dan]

Pigbag, you can aleays sit in front of an incoming spring tide if you like, telling yourself that you won't get wet shortly before you are about to be drenched
But as long as you believe and try your best, think positively and trust in BoJo, then you are bound to be ok.
Just visualise those sunny uplands.

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Of course we have to make the best of the referendum result but it's a bit like slipping on a gigantic turd, breaking yer leg and making out the experience was wholly positive.

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Feb 5, 2020 17:00:10 GMT OldBoy73 said:

Feb 5, 2020 16:46:42 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

There's a basic disconnect in the whole Brexit 'discussion' - the referendum wasn't actually about leaving the EU.

Had it been just about that it would have been more like a 75-25 split in favour of staying. The whole thing was hijacked by the extreme right, nutters like Cummings, egoist like Farage and careerist like Johnson - they saw it as their vehicle to achieve their own ends, and persuaded the disaffected to help them do it. The EU, and our citizenship, was just collateral damage.

Which is why arguing about the EU or the effect of Brexit, etc, will unfortunately get us nowhere. The people who benefited form the result don’t give a toss about any of it – Farage got his moment of fame, Johnson got to be PM, and the far-right and Cummings are now running the country and can do whatever they want to it – and us.

"the referendum wasn't actually about leaving the EU" ?

Errrr………..I know I'm going to regret this, but what was it about then, as Im pretty sure that's what the question was on the voting paper I filled in.

Surely even "Mr Facts" NWS will agree that the 2016 referendum was, indeed, a vote on remaining in, or leaving, the EU?

Or are we now going to try to re-write history because it isn't what we wanted?

It may have been intended as a simple, binary question about the EU, but it was hijacked and used as a proxy - as I attempted to explain.

A large number of people were persuaded to vote leave because they were told that the EU or the 'elite' (but not of course public school educated Johnson and Farage) were to blame for their situation. When in fact it was of course various British governments over the decades - most of which had been Tory.

The EU was used in much the same way that Hitler used the Jews, as a scapegoat for unprincipled people to 'democratically' take power.

In the end, it doesn't matter what the facts are, or how much people understand, if you can get them to identify with one view or the other to the extent where they believe anything they are told and regard the other side as the enemy. Then they will vote as you tell them. You've only got to look across the Atlantic to see this in action.