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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 24, 2020 10:38:39 GMT
You are nearly on the money jakeyboi, I agree pretty much with plenty you say. BUT I do think we have more than just 6 decent players. I would double that number but totally accept that as a team we could and should be putting in better performances and probably have got 10 more points on the board. Your expectations of the team and criticisms of the management duo are fair enough imo, but I guess the main difference is I would cut them more slack and give them longer in the job. I'm guessing the owners are more likely to agree with my take but you can never be sure. With JS vast amount of experience within this industry he should not need two seasons to put together a team to challenge for the NLS and in hindsight maybe my quote of half a dozen was a tad harsh but not many more than that are worthy. I think sword has a point in how we pay the players, maybe there wages should be a lot lower but the rewards for winning games an position in the league should be rewarded with extra income. Maybe then we would be able to have a team who want to play together an want to win rather than individuals who dont really care because they get a wage irrelevant of the results.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 24, 2020 10:54:23 GMT
You are nearly on the money jakeyboi, I agree pretty much with plenty you say. BUT I do think we have more than just 6 decent players. I would double that number but totally accept that as a team we could and should be putting in better performances and probably have got 10 more points on the board. Your expectations of the team and criticisms of the management duo are fair enough imo, but I guess the main difference is I would cut them more slack and give them longer in the job. I'm guessing the owners are more likely to agree with my take but you can never be sure. Funnily enough, Nick and JB, I agree with both of you - its all down to your personal opinion on how much we expected JS2 to deliver in one year given his experience, alleged contacts and being full time, vs giving him longer to repair the nuclear fall out from the clown. Interesting question you raise is who are the six players or more that are good enough? My list is more qualified. I only see 4/5 definites: Cole and Lewington - both, but is having two NLS quality keepers a wage luxury? Especially if you are paying one as a coach? Does Jake really need Chris to coach him? Jake may not even stay next year if we finish mid-table. Chesmain Elokobi Marshall - but I cant see him staying For the next group these are all good enough, but fall into the "do they want to play for us" or can they be consistent enough" categories. If the answers are yes, I would keep: Wishart, Amaluzor, Johnson, Khan, Temelci, Corne and maybe Hoyte, but he's not the greatest right back in this league by any measure. So, like Nick, I guess I'm around the 10-12 mark. I love Ibby Akanbi but he needs to be at a club that knows how to nurture and develop strikers - and looking at the strikers in our website squad pics you can see why we are struggling to score goals, as most of them are under 23 or wonderkids we signed but never play and like Ibby, need to develop elsewhere unless we can get a quality coach just for strikers in at the Gallagher. I don't rate Boucard or Kamdjo at all, and Knight and Allen are OK, but we need better. However, I question if Wishart, Alaluzor, Khan or even Temelci or Cole will stick around for another NLS season if we stay mid table so it all could be a moot point. As JB says, football doesn't give you time, and the thought of another season of JS2/HH with most of the previous squad they "built" having moved on is scary. If they can keep them all together, get better out of them, and bring in BETTER players to replace the average ones, then great, but lots of ifs there! They really need to get better out of them now. That's the reality.
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Post by nws on Feb 24, 2020 12:17:19 GMT
I got threatened with a five year jail sentence for possession of oversize balloons the other day.
I told them things had been blown up out of all proportion.
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Post by Nick on Feb 24, 2020 15:10:12 GMT
Fascinating nws ! But back to the subject of players, I have very much the same judgement of players as BBJ, which is a bit worrying. For sure some will move on but if we keep a nucleus of the team (7/8) that's a hell of a sight better than starting with 1. In truth I can't disagree with your critical thoughts on the management duo, just think you've over egged it a bit and failed to mention any positives. But can't be arsed to run through it all over again. The fact is all your ifs need to be put into action but that's the job that needs doing by the guys who have started the re-build.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 24, 2020 15:23:05 GMT
Fascinating nws ! But back to the subject of players, I have very much the same judgement of players as BBJ, which is a bit worrying. For sure some will move on but if we keep a nucleus of the team (7/8) that's a hell of a sight better than starting with 1. In truth I can't disagree with your critical thoughts on the management duo, just think you've over egged it a bit and failed to mention any positives. But can't be arsed to run through it all over again. The fact is all your ifs need to be put into action but that's the job that needs doing by the guys who have started the re-build. Thanks Nick - we are not so far apart after all! Also I do keep pointing out that with 12 games to go anything can still happen, including a turnaround and a miraculous winning run in with the other teams falling over and us sneaking it at play offs and heralding JS2 and HH as footballing geniuses! Mathematically, on current form and recent signs of low morale and confidence it is unlikely, but this is football. Its a funny ole game!
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Post by daveu on Feb 24, 2020 16:54:09 GMT
Same old, same old, Nick talking bollocks Have you not noticed the continuing one-track agenda, shammy? Nick is bang on the money. DaveU in "Agreeing with NWS" shock!!!!
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Post by daveu on Feb 24, 2020 16:59:35 GMT
Getting back to alternative managers I always imagined that Stuart Lewis would of made the step up to management as a natural progression sadly it seems that it would not be with Maidstone, but sadly in todays cut an thrust of football clubs will not select a manager and give him a period of time to develop a squad now they all want instant success, personally I think it would be a mistake to sack JS an HH before the season ends, as for a replacement I,m not sure a two man package we have now is ever going to work, but I would like to see an ex player who,s retired to step into the club an rebuild it. I always though Lewis would be a perfect fit for us. If not Lewis, how about Worgan. Either one would get the fans back on side. It’s like a library in the ground this season. Atmosphere has been so poor. Lewis would be mental to give up a full time job at Spurs to manage a non-league club.
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Post by jdl on Feb 24, 2020 17:26:58 GMT
You are nearly on the money jakeyboi, I agree pretty much with plenty you say. BUT I do think we have more than just 6 decent players. I would double that number but totally accept that as a team we could and should be putting in better performances and probably have got 10 more points on the board. Your expectations of the team and criticisms of the management duo are fair enough imo, but I guess the main difference is I would cut them more slack and give them longer in the job. I'm guessing the owners are more likely to agree with my take but you can never be sure. Funnily enough, Nick and JB, I agree with both of you - its all down to your personal opinion on how much we expected JS2 to deliver in one year given his experience, alleged contacts and being full time, vs giving him longer to repair the nuclear fall out from the clown. Interesting question you raise is who are the six players or more that are good enough? My list is more qualified. I only see 4/5 definites: Cole and Lewington - both, but is having two NLS quality keepers a wage luxury? Especially if you are paying one as a coach? Does Jake really need Chris to coach him? Jake may not even stay next year if we finish mid-table. Chesmain Elokobi Marshall - but I cant see him staying For the next group these are all good enough, but fall into the "do they want to play for us" or can they be consistent enough" categories. If the answers are yes, I would keep: Wishart, Amaluzor, Johnson, Khan, Temelci, Corne and maybe Hoyte, but he's not the greatest right back in this league by any measure. So, like Nick, I guess I'm around the 10-12 mark. I love Ibby Akanbi but he needs to be at a club that knows how to nurture and develop strikers - and looking at the strikers in our website squad pics you can see why we are struggling to score goals, as most of them are under 23 or wonderkids we signed but never play and like Ibby, need to develop elsewhere unless we can get a quality coach just for strikers in at the Gallagher. I don't rate Boucard or Kamdjo at all, and Knight and Allen are OK, but we need better. However, I question if Wishart, Alaluzor, Khan or even Temelci or Cole will stick around for another NLS season if we stay mid table so it all could be a moot point. As JB says, football doesn't give you time, and the thought of another season of JS2/HH with most of the previous squad they "built" having moved on is scary. If they can keep them all together, get better out of them, and bring in BETTER players to replace the average ones, then great, but lots of ifs there! They really need to get better out of them now. That's the reality. How about Worgan, Driver, Parry, Coyle, Mills, Karagianis, Rogers, Healy, Taylor, Flisher, May, Dumaka, Paxman, Sweeney, Davies and Godmon? Just a random selection of past NS players...
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Feb 24, 2020 18:28:02 GMT
Funnily enough, Nick and JB, I agree with both of you - its all down to your personal opinion on how much we expected JS2 to deliver in one year given his experience, alleged contacts and being full time, vs giving him longer to repair the nuclear fall out from the clown. Interesting question you raise is who are the six players or more that are good enough? My list is more qualified. I only see 4/5 definites: Cole and Lewington - both, but is having two NLS quality keepers a wage luxury? Especially if you are paying one as a coach? Does Jake really need Chris to coach him? Jake may not even stay next year if we finish mid-table. Chesmain Elokobi Marshall - but I cant see him staying For the next group these are all good enough, but fall into the "do they want to play for us" or can they be consistent enough" categories. If the answers are yes, I would keep: Wishart, Amaluzor, Johnson, Khan, Temelci, Corne and maybe Hoyte, but he's not the greatest right back in this league by any measure. So, like Nick, I guess I'm around the 10-12 mark. I love Ibby Akanbi but he needs to be at a club that knows how to nurture and develop strikers - and looking at the strikers in our website squad pics you can see why we are struggling to score goals, as most of them are under 23 or wonderkids we signed but never play and like Ibby, need to develop elsewhere unless we can get a quality coach just for strikers in at the Gallagher. I don't rate Boucard or Kamdjo at all, and Knight and Allen are OK, but we need better. However, I question if Wishart, Alaluzor, Khan or even Temelci or Cole will stick around for another NLS season if we stay mid table so it all could be a moot point. As JB says, football doesn't give you time, and the thought of another season of JS2/HH with most of the previous squad they "built" having moved on is scary. If they can keep them all together, get better out of them, and bring in BETTER players to replace the average ones, then great, but lots of ifs there! They really need to get better out of them now. That's the reality. How about Worgan, Driver, Parry, Coyle, Mills, Karagianis, Rogers, Healy, Taylor, Flisher, May, Dumaka, Paxman, Sweeney, Davies and Godmon? Just a random selection of past NS players... I'd have Taylor and Sweeney back now they both have experience of higher levels, and Worgs always - but we do have a crowded keeper list already!
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Post by jakeyboi on Feb 24, 2020 18:54:42 GMT
I always though Lewis would be a perfect fit for us. If not Lewis, how about Worgan. Either one would get the fans back on side. It’s like a library in the ground this season. Atmosphere has been so poor. Lewis would be mental to give up a full time job at Spurs to manage a non-league club. Surely that would depend on how far he could go in his job at Spurs, cannot see him progressing much further within the current set up at Spurs, but if he was to get into club management then the sky,s the limit if he was to be a success at his job.
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Post by nws on Feb 25, 2020 14:01:57 GMT
Have you not noticed the continuing one-track agenda, shammy? Nick is bang on the money. DaveU in "Agreeing with NWS" shock!!!! We agree often. No point mentioning those because it makes boring forum stuff.😂😂
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Post by sword65 on Feb 27, 2020 22:41:59 GMT
I am pissed,Wahay!
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