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Post by pedant on Jul 12, 2020 10:26:27 GMT
Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
in shops - Too many people are being allowed in them at one time - wear masks or I will shop online. Personally I wouldn't put the blame on the shops. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 12:24:37 GMT
Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
People are ignoring social distancing in shops - Too many people are being allowed in them at one time - wear masks or I will shop online. Having worked in food distribution for nearly 30 years I can tell you that handling of goods is worse than appalling you'd be lucky they're not delivering the virus right to your door. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 22:02:20 GMT
So public health England dont make it up but World Health Organisation do. OK. Did you note the report i posted earlier was about to come out, potentially. The PHE advice is possibly older. Of course you did but you thought a cheap sarcastic shot at me could win you some likes from Trumpian deniers (well done on that front BTW). Remember its only a few weeks ago you were claiming we were all overeacting. You moved on from that. Guess what, the knowledge and advice will do the same. Some of us will follow it while others will deny it but adopt it later What cheap sarcastic shot was that then? I merely posted the latest advice from PHE, together with the possibility that no noticeable spike from recent mass gatherings supported that view rather than the somewhat pessimistic view you expressed, even going so far as to mention me by name. Clearly it's OK for you to rubbish my view while complaining like a spoilt child if I dare to contradict you. It was saying that PHE use scientists when anyone with half a brain could understand that I gave you top scientists reporting latest findings, which had yet to make its way to anything in the advice domain of PHE. That is probably why I rubbished what you said. Don't forget you were calling me pessimistic when you were part of the 'its just a bit of flu' brigade. Indeed, I keep getting singled out as pessimistic for reporting facts and then you scream like spoilt child who has lost a game when those facts become more widespread. Anyway, more pessimism for you www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 6:39:35 GMT
That is not pesseimism nws, just a dose of reality
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 9:01:15 GMT
That is not pesseimism nws, just a dose of reality For some, it depends what argument you are making on the day though, STC. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 9:10:19 GMT
What cheap sarcastic shot was that then? I merely posted the latest advice from PHE, together with the possibility that no noticeable spike from recent mass gatherings supported that view rather than the somewhat pessimistic view you expressed, even going so far as to mention me by name. Clearly it's OK for you to rubbish my view while complaining like a spoilt child if I dare to contradict you. It was saying that PHE use scientists when anyone with half a brain could understand that I gave you top scientists reporting latest findings, which had yet to make its way to anything in the advice domain of PHE. That is probably why I rubbished what you said. Don't forget you were calling me pessimistic when you were part of the 'its just a bit of flu' brigade. Indeed, I keep getting singled out as pessimistic for reporting facts and then you scream like spoilt child who has lost a game when those facts become more widespread. Anyway, more pessimism for you www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggestsI was never part of the "it's just a dose of flu brigade" as you so insultingly phrased it. I have never denied that covid was a problem. That's the trouble with you leftie bleeding heart tree hugging idealists. You always rewrite history to suit your own agenda. You present only the facts and only the science that support your own view, and anyone however credible who doesn't support your view is dismissed as some kind of crank. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 9:26:40 GMT
Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
The newspaper article in question was not something I used in relation to airborne spread but in response to your plummeted claim although I did use the word plummeting in its place. I appreciate that this will make a huge difference for you in winning some pointless internet battle and gaining likes from deniers of everything (you netted one I note) but I am interested in working in real time not comparing something to an arbitrary point in time in the past. To give you a for instance, I can say that compared to January 1st, infections have rocketed. It is equally as pointless. If you want to know why we worry more now then it is because we have more information. Perhaps, if it helps, you could change the word worry to the phrase 'do the things we might want to do to avoid getting infected by a virus that can kill us'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:03:59 GMT
It was saying that PHE use scientists when anyone with half a brain could understand that I gave you top scientists reporting latest findings, which had yet to make its way to anything in the advice domain of PHE. That is probably why I rubbished what you said. Don't forget you were calling me pessimistic when you were part of the 'its just a bit of flu' brigade. Indeed, I keep getting singled out as pessimistic for reporting facts and then you scream like spoilt child who has lost a game when those facts become more widespread. Anyway, more pessimism for you www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/12/immunity-to-covid-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggestsI was never part of the "it's just a dose of flu brigade" as you so insultingly phrased it. I have never denied that covid was a problem. That's the trouble with you leftie bleeding heart tree hugging idealists. You always rewrite history to suit your own agenda. You present only the facts and only the science that support your own view, and anyone however credible who doesn't support your view is dismissed as some kind of crank. Yes. Below are some examples of you not being in the 'it's only a bit of flu camp'. Despite your explosion of name calling (no doubt to get some likes from the usual miscreants) the scientific facts I am presenting are not to give my view. I don't have an opinion about covid-19 other than I wish it wasn't in existence. I don't believe I have presented scientific facts to that effect. However, I look forward to you presenting examples of me presenting facts to show covid doesn't exist. Just to educate you further, facts are facts. The regularity with which they happen to suit my viewpoint is because I change my viewpoint when the facts change. For instance, have a look back in the brexit debate, I have said on several occasions that I hope I am wrong and the likes of Sword are correct because that will be better for all of us. However, the letter from Liz Truss to Alex Johnson and the impending lorry park in Ashford to help us process our 'less red tape' era don't fill me with confidence that this occurrence will occur. They are facts. My opinion is that now we have done it I want it to work. Yes. Massive overreaction. Let's ignore the experts on this public health issue (to which there is no antidote) and pretend as though nothing is happening. Look the other way from Italy, Spain and China...what do those johnny foreigners know anyway. The first chance we had to potentially close our borders for protective purposes and we haven't even bothered testing people from infected areas. I hope those that are either susceptible to serious problems through being compromised by underlying health conditions or have close relatives or friends that are in that position take a less 'laissez-faire' approach! Sorry pal, not everyone who has a cough or a sneeze has COVID-19, nor everyone who has a slight temperature. If you want to panic that's entirely up to you. It's just a good job we don't react to seasonal flu the same way otherwise the country would spend the whole winter in lockdown. Tell you what, you stay indoors and protect yourself and let the rest of us get on with our lives. FAPP is the basis for your agenda. I'm quite intrigued as to why you get so het up about a few lost football matches but are so relaxed about something that is killing vulnerable people. A quite amazing disconnect with reality but I am sure you can enlighten me. By enlighten me I mean by actually commenting on the issue rather than repeating my words with the addition of a smiley face, in replay to JDL, or do you always need to enlist someone else's help to answer something? . Maybe it's better to try your best to protect the vulnerable while letting the otherwise mild illness take its course and die out naturally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 10:56:42 GMT
Had to take my car for service/MOT so made my first visit to The Society Rooms since before lockdown. Some semblance of normality albeit maybe only until the cooler weather returns.
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Post by OldBoy73 on Jul 14, 2020 13:54:11 GMT
My goodness, nws has a whole dossier on all of DaveU's posts. Thats scary.
Or he just has too much time on his hands to trawl through every word we have ever posted to throw it back at us.
Poor DaveU!
nws - are you a Journalist?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:23:57 GMT
Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
The newspaper article in question was not something I used in relation to airborne spread but in response to your plummeted claim although I did use the word plummeting in its place. I appreciate that this will make a huge difference for you in winning some pointless internet battle and gaining likes from deniers of everything (you netted one I note) but I am interested in working in real time not comparing something to an arbitrary point in time in the past. To give you a for instance, I can say that compared to January 1st, infections have rocketed. It is equally as pointless. If you want to know why we worry more now then it is because we have more information. Perhaps, if it helps, you could change the word worry to the phrase 'do the things we might want to do to avoid getting infected by a virus that can kill us'. Why do you keep mentioning deniers do you have a fixation on women's tights? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 22:12:43 GMT
My goodness, nws has a whole dossier on all of DaveU's posts. Thats scary. Or he just has too much time on his hands to trawl through every word we have ever posted to throw it back at us. Poor DaveU! nws - are you a Journalist? I know you are a bit backward, generally, but to use silly insults that were being used years ago and quite adequately rebuffed then is sad, even for you. I haven't 'trawled through every word' and I am not 'a journalist'. I simply understand a search facility. Isn't it funny that you were once laughing along and nodding sagely with Barney, as he tried to denounce me by saying that I had posted more than others on the brexit topic. I guess you now think he trawled through every post I made... Anyway, why would you be reading my posts if you thought I was a journalist? Wouldn't you be watching a Facebook post by they'reoutthere335 about aardvarks planing to attack America or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 22:13:39 GMT
The newspaper article in question was not something I used in relation to airborne spread but in response to your plummeted claim although I did use the word plummeting in its place. I appreciate that this will make a huge difference for you in winning some pointless internet battle and gaining likes from deniers of everything (you netted one I note) but I am interested in working in real time not comparing something to an arbitrary point in time in the past. To give you a for instance, I can say that compared to January 1st, infections have rocketed. It is equally as pointless. If you want to know why we worry more now then it is because we have more information. Perhaps, if it helps, you could change the word worry to the phrase 'do the things we might want to do to avoid getting infected by a virus that can kill us'. Why do you keep mentioning deniers do you have a fixation on women's tights? I do like the feel and they keep me warm in the winter |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 7:20:23 GMT
My goodness, nws has a whole dossier on all of DaveU's posts. Thats scary. Or he just has too much time on his hands to trawl through every word we have ever posted to throw it back at us. Poor DaveU! nws - are you a Journalist?
No he's not - haven't you worked it out yet? He really works for MI5 in their disinformation department. He throws out statements to get reactions, bit like fishing, just to get reactions from "fellow" subversives who undermine the british way of life. He has search engines working on all the social media sites, not just this one. All the while using his cover as a worker in the "care" sector. Ironic, really, you couldn't make it up.
Wait for the "knock" on your front door in the early hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 9:36:45 GMT
My goodness, nws has a whole dossier on all of DaveU's posts. Thats scary. Or he just has too much time on his hands to trawl through every word we have ever posted to throw it back at us. Poor DaveU! nws - are you a Journalist? No he's not - haven't you worked it out yet? He really works for MI5 in their disinformation department. He throws out statements to get reactions, bit like fishing, just to get reactions from "fellow" subversives who undermine the british way of life. He has search engines working on all the social media sites, not just this one. All the while using his cover as a worker in the "care" sector. Ironic, really, you couldn't make it up.
Wait for the "knock" on your front door in the early hours.
If anyone has it worked out it is BBJ. We are all blind to the truth, remember? Anyway, Comrade T'Stone, your desertion to the cause of Mother Herne Bay has been noted and you will be receiving your complimentary perfume soon |
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