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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 7:26:31 GMT
What I don’t understand is, why weren’t it mandatory during the height of the pandemic. We use them at work while mixing adhesives etc. Merely minutes. Totally uncomfortable. I couldn’t imagine sitting on a bus for an hour wearing one. Healthy or not
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 8:11:09 GMT
Had to wear a face covering when giving blood last week. A bit hot and sweaty but not massively uncomfortable. It's mandatory in the blood transfusion service now so if you can't wear one you can't donate.
At least we're if they make them mandatory in shops it's a clear message with no room for excuses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 8:52:31 GMT
I could give you a lift sometimes, Sword. Oh, hang on....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 9:29:11 GMT
Had to wear a face covering when giving blood last week. A bit hot and sweaty but not massively uncomfortable. It's mandatory in the blood transfusion service now so if you can't wear one you can't donate. At least we're if they make them mandatory in shops it's a clear message with no room for excuses. Well at least I shall lose some weight as I wont be allowed on the bus or in the shops. Never mind I'll just have to hobble to the pub and back,damn! |
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Post by pedant on Jul 11, 2020 13:45:03 GMT
Let's just hope for everyone, we can get some normal life back, and enjoy some football Hear hear - simplest but best post for ages! When was "normal life" for a Stones supporter about 'enjoying football'? |
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Post by pedant on Jul 11, 2020 13:49:17 GMT
The latest advice is that airborne spread is still only a problem in confined spaces with little ventilation. Simply opening a window reduces the risk dramatically, and outdoors the risk is negligible, otherwise we would already be seeing a spike due to the BLM protests and the crowded beaches. Mmmm...the scientists or Dave U...tough call
I'm unaware the virus has changed but this report suggests our understanding of it is better.
Infections in this country have plummeted without this knowledge, and the risk hasn't increased, so why does this mean we should worry more now? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 15:48:52 GMT
Mmmm...the scientists or Dave U...tough call
I'm unaware the virus has changed but this report suggests our understanding of it is better.
Infections in this country have plummeted without this knowledge, and the risk hasn't increased, so why does this mean we should worry more now? Because the papers said we should. |
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Post by pedant on Jul 11, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
I'm unaware the virus has changed but this report suggests our understanding of it is better.
Infections in this country have plummeted without this knowledge, and the risk hasn't increased, so why does this mean we should worry more now? Because the papers said we should. My apologies, silly me. I'd forgotten about those bastions of truth and foresight. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 1:16:43 GMT
Mmmm...the scientists or Dave U...tough call
I'm unaware the virus has changed but this report suggests our understanding of it is better.
Infections in this country have plummeted without this knowledge, and the risk hasn't increased, so why does this mean we should worry more now? Your argument was excellent until we added those pesky facts. www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-coronavirus-hotspots-covid-19-4317846Infections are not plummeting otherwise great point |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 1:23:52 GMT
Mmmm...the scientists or Dave U...tough call My source was Public Health England. Pretty sure they consult scientists rather than simply make it up. So public health England dont make it up but World Health Organisation do. OK. Did you note the report i posted earlier was about to come out, potentially. The PHE advice is possibly older. Of course you did but you thought a cheap sarcastic shot at me could win you some likes from Trumpian deniers (well done on that front BTW). Remember its only a few weeks ago you were claiming we were all overeacting. You moved on from that. Guess what, the knowledge and advice will do the same. Some of us will follow it while others will deny it but adopt it later |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 7:38:51 GMT
My source was Public Health England. Pretty sure they consult scientists rather than simply make it up. So public health England dont make it up but World Health Organisation do. OK. Did you note the report i posted earlier was about to come out, potentially. The PHE advice is possibly older. Of course you did but you thought a cheap sarcastic shot at me could win you some likes from Trumpian deniers (well done on that front BTW). Remember its only a few weeks ago you were claiming we were all overeacting. You moved on from that. Guess what, the knowledge and advice will do the same. Some of us will follow it while others will deny it but adopt it later What cheap sarcastic shot was that then? I merely posted the latest advice from PHE, together with the possibility that no noticeable spike from recent mass gatherings supported that view rather than the somewhat pessimistic view you expressed, even going so far as to mention me by name. Clearly it's OK for you to rubbish my view while complaining like a spoilt child if I dare to contradict you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 8:32:40 GMT
Touché!
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Post by soulstone on Jul 12, 2020 9:23:25 GMT
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Post by pedant on Jul 12, 2020 9:54:38 GMT
I'm unaware the virus has changed but this report suggests our understanding of it is better.
Infections in this country have plummeted without this knowledge, and the risk hasn't increased, so why does this mean we should worry more now? Your argument was excellent until we added those pesky facts. www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-coronavirus-hotspots-covid-19-4317846Infections are not plummeting otherwise great point Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 10:12:02 GMT
Your attempt to counter the "excellent" argument with "pesky facts" would have been stronger if the facts had been relevant to the specific issue*.
*that the risks have increased because we believe we know more
Around the 'peak' of infections it was estimated that 1 person in every 400 across the UK had the virus. The latest ONS survey figures published on Friday has this as 1 person in every 3900 in England with the virus. If you include the other 3 'nations', with Scotland's significantly lower infections, that figure will be well over 1 in 4000. Or a tenth of what it has been - I think my use of "plummeted" is justified.
The same survey does say that the declining trend appears to have "stalled". It did not suggest it had yet reversed.
The statistics in the kent live article are worrying in their own right but I don't see a link to suggest that these, what are currently, local increases are caused because we are now being told that the airborne risk of transmission may be higher than we thought.
To me there are two 'obvious' factors that could explain the increases - the rules have been relaxed too soon/too much and or sections of the Great British public are essentially ignoring the current rules. Based on my unscientific observation of behaviour in Rochester High Street yesterday afternoon I'm unsurprised by the increases - apart from the obvious masks being worn by the staff in eating establishments and hairdressers you would be hard pushed to find behaviour from the public significantly different to the pre-covid days.
People are ignoring social distancing in shops - Too many people are being allowed in them at one time - wear masks or I will shop online. |
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