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Post by pedant on Jul 7, 2020 16:09:37 GMT
The 'second wave' will most likely come when overseas travel restrictions are lifted. We experienced a second wave of infections in HK when returnees from infected countries (such as the UK) started flying back home! BTW the Korean epidemic was initiated by some happy-clappy evangelical church group, a number of whom had just returned from a bible study meet-up thing in of all places.............. Wuhan! The majority of the Korean epidemic cases can be traced back to these people. God obviously doesn't look after his own. That's interesting HKStone. I have just trawled the news reports and they say that the South Korean second wave was caused by partygoers in a nightclub district over a May holiday weekend but that it was kept quiet for fear of antagonising the LBGTQ groups as it was a party district specifically for their community. There again the news reports from Metro, Express, Mirror etc also say it was caused by the employees of travelling sales company, a factory cluster, the members of a table tennis club and "crammed schools and karaoke rooms", in fact everyone but a "happy clappy evangelical church group". That's how reliable (Not) the media currently is. Unless you meant North Korea, of course, from which the news, of course, is totally reliable! Be careful what you believe, my friend, and who you accuse. Also, in South Korea, do they test for Coronavirus such as that which exists in a cold, or can they tell actually test for Covid-19? On tests, and staying with the theme of this thread, someone I know who was tested positive twice with the NHS test for Coronavirus with a (not dry) cough and cold (no temperature) - i.e. a cold - has just taken a third test which was negative for coronavirus (because that's all the NHS test can test for - it cant say if you have Covid-19, only if you have a Coronavirus). He was told he HAD to take the test by the NHS as he was a temporary worker for them - only to find out afterwards it is a Voluntary test. He was lied to by the NHS.
He never had Covid-19, never had any symptoms of Covid-19, and was not a "victim of the coronavirus pandemic" (He had a normal, seasonal cold), but will be recorded in UK figures as "Having had coronavirus" as if he DID have Covid-19 as a result of this pandemic and is a risk to us all. His record will probably be used, like many others like him, to scare the wits out of the rest of us.
He also had to self isolate for no good reason and worse of all is now on a Track and Trace government register for eight years which means he is on the government radar and should he come in contact with any other person who also has had a previous positive test result, if they exhibit (cold) symptoms, he can be made to stop work at any point. He feels like a sex offender and that his freedom has been taken. His crimes? He had a cold, and was tested. That's not Lizards, flat earths, or David Ickes, nor is it media reports - that's REAL LIFE in Kent, folks, July 2020. Something is not right. That's why all the media reports are all over the place, the rules about do this here but not there are all over the place, why there's no common global approach or solution or clarity on anything about this pandemic. Even those who believe its going to kill us all, we need lockdown everywhere and PPE for all cant agree on the facts. As we all know, and have done at least once in our lives, maybe as a kid, maybe as an adult, when you tell a little porky or exaggerate about something and get caught out, but find you have got to keep it going, suddenly you have to keep building a web of even more and more crazier and weirder and ever more contradictory lies around it over time to protect the original lie.......and then it just turns into one big super confused mess. Sound familiar? Ok that's enough. Time for me to set sail to for the edge of flat earth with my friend the Troll from under the bridge to meet the little green men from Roswell to show me the set of the Apollo 11 faked moon landing mission and shake hands with JFK and Elvis who faked their own deaths to live in Atlantis. Because according to others on this forum if I am telling the truth about the first 8 paragraphs I have to be someone who believes everything in this ninth paragraph, as opposed to just being someone with a pair of eyes and a brain who doesn't believe everything he sees and hears in the media, but goes by what he sees going on around him, and the day to day experiences of his friends and family - i.e. in real life. How many people do you know in your families and social circles who have actually, truly, identifiably, unquestionably died as direct result of an assault on their immune system by the truly dreadful disease known as Covid-19, not from any other pre-existing cause, or were going to pass away anyway, or simple had a "normal" (cold) coronavirus? I arrest my case, your honour. Lets get back to football. Of course if the global spread of the very real and very deadly disease called Covid-19 is truly as bad as the hype, there should never be any football ever again, but lets park that and believe we will see the black and amber again in this strange nether world between "its a deadly serious pandemic" and "lets open the pubs" and "stay 2m away and don't hug me" and let 22 premiership footballers be all over each other and "not being allowed to enter your doctors surgery or your vets with your dying cat, but OK to buy a pair of shoes in a shoe shop and so on and so on and so on. COYS! I did wonder what the Government's ulterior motive was in 'allowing' the story to be released today which said that approx. 78% of those who test positive have no symptoms of Covid-19 on the day of the test. Now I realise its because they're worried about the truth coming out.
So, thanks for clearing that up.
By the way you might want to check out the definition of "initiated" before trying to rubbish someone's retelling of the reported start of South Korea's epidemic. But, there again, you might not as it doesn't appear to fit your view of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 18:38:25 GMT
The 'second wave' will most likely come when overseas travel restrictions are lifted. We experienced a second wave of infections in HK when returnees from infected countries (such as the UK) started flying back home! BTW the Korean epidemic was initiated by some happy-clappy evangelical church group, a number of whom had just returned from a bible study meet-up thing in of all places.............. Wuhan! The majority of the Korean epidemic cases can be traced back to these people. God obviously doesn't look after his own. That's interesting HKStone. I have just trawled the news reports and they say that the South Korean second wave was caused by partygoers in a nightclub district over a May holiday weekend but that it was kept quiet for fear of antagonising the LBGTQ groups as it was a party district specifically for their community. There again the news reports from Metro, Express, Mirror etc also say it was caused by the employees of travelling sales company, a factory cluster, the members of a table tennis club and "crammed schools and karaoke rooms", in fact everyone but a "happy clappy evangelical church group". That's how reliable (Not) the media currently is. Unless you meant North Korea, of course, from which the news, of course, is totally reliable! Be careful what you believe, my friend, and who you accuse. Also, in South Korea, do they test for Coronavirus such as that which exists in a cold, or can they tell actually test for Covid-19? On tests, and staying with the theme of this thread, someone I know who was tested positive twice with the NHS test for Coronavirus with a (not dry) cough and cold (no temperature) - i.e. a cold - has just taken a third test which was negative for coronavirus (because that's all the NHS test can test for - it cant say if you have Covid-19, only if you have a Coronavirus). He was told he HAD to take the test by the NHS as he was a temporary worker for them - only to find out afterwards it is a Voluntary test. He was lied to by the NHS. He never had Covid-19, never had any symptoms of Covid-19, and was not a "victim of the coronavirus pandemic" (He had a normal, seasonal cold), but will be recorded in UK figures as "Having had coronavirus" as if he DID have Covid-19 as a result of this pandemic and is a risk to us all. His record will probably be used, like many others like him, to scare the wits out of the rest of us. He also had to self isolate for no good reason and worse of all is now on a Track and Trace government register for eight years which means he is on the government radar and should he come in contact with any other person who also has had a previous positive test result, if they exhibit (cold) symptoms, he can be made to stop work at any point. He feels like a sex offender and that his freedom has been taken. His crimes? He had a cold, and was tested. That's not Lizards, flat earths, or David Ickes, nor is it media reports - that's REAL LIFE in Kent, folks, July 2020. Something is not right. That's why all the media reports are all over the place, the rules about do this here but not there are all over the place, why there's no common global approach or solution or clarity on anything about this pandemic. Even those who believe its going to kill us all, we need lockdown everywhere and PPE for all cant agree on the facts. As we all know, and have done at least once in our lives, maybe as a kid, maybe as an adult, when you tell a little porky or exaggerate about something and get caught out, but find you have got to keep it going, suddenly you have to keep building a web of even more and more crazier and weirder and ever more contradictory lies around it over time to protect the original lie.......and then it just turns into one big super confused mess. Sound familiar? Ok that's enough. Time for me to set sail to for the edge of flat earth with my friend the Troll from under the bridge to meet the little green men from Roswell to show me the set of the Apollo 11 faked moon landing mission and shake hands with JFK and Elvis who faked their own deaths to live in Atlantis. Because according to others on this forum if I am telling the truth about the first 8 paragraphs I have to be someone who believes everything in this ninth paragraph, as opposed to just being someone with a pair of eyes and a brain who doesn't believe everything he sees and hears in the media, but goes by what he sees going on around him, and the day to day experiences of his friends and family - i.e. in real life. How many people do you know in your families and social circles who have actually, truly, identifiably, unquestionably died as direct result of an assault on their immune system by the truly dreadful disease known as Covid-19, not from any other pre-existing cause, or were going to pass away anyway, or simple had a "normal" (cold) coronavirus? I arrest my case, your honour. Lets get back to football. Of course if the global spread of the very real and very deadly disease called Covid-19 is truly as bad as the hype, there should never be any football ever again, but lets park that and believe we will see the black and amber again in this strange nether world between "its a deadly serious pandemic" and "lets open the pubs" and "stay 2m away and don't hug me" and let 22 premiership footballers be all over each other and "not being allowed to enter your doctors surgery or your vets with your dying cat, but OK to buy a pair of shoes in a shoe shop and so on and so on and so on. COYS! To sum up. We are mugs for believing conventional news sources on covid (some of which you name were the biggest agitators for brexit) but your mind is open because of an alternative news source which you choose not to name. The best source of information is what we see around us (somewhat a contradiction to your reports of South Korea) so we need to open our eyes to your friend who tested positive twice for coronavirus and negative on the tbird go because his life is ruined by being on a track and trace register for 8 years. Unless we know lots of people who were previously healthy but died from the virus we are blind to the truth provided by your one example. Thank you for opening my eyes. |
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Post by OldBoy73 on Jul 7, 2020 18:39:55 GMT
That's interesting HKStone. I have just trawled the news reports and they say that the South Korean second wave was caused by partygoers in a nightclub district over a May holiday weekend but that it was kept quiet for fear of antagonising the LBGTQ groups as it was a party district specifically for their community. There again the news reports from Metro, Express, Mirror etc also say it was caused by the employees of travelling sales company, a factory cluster, the members of a table tennis club and "crammed schools and karaoke rooms", in fact everyone but a "happy clappy evangelical church group". That's how reliable (Not) the media currently is. Unless you meant North Korea, of course, from which the news, of course, is totally reliable! Be careful what you believe, my friend, and who you accuse. Also, in South Korea, do they test for Coronavirus such as that which exists in a cold, or can they tell actually test for Covid-19? On tests, and staying with the theme of this thread, someone I know who was tested positive twice with the NHS test for Coronavirus with a (not dry) cough and cold (no temperature) - i.e. a cold - has just taken a third test which was negative for coronavirus (because that's all the NHS test can test for - it cant say if you have Covid-19, only if you have a Coronavirus). He was told he HAD to take the test by the NHS as he was a temporary worker for them - only to find out afterwards it is a Voluntary test. He was lied to by the NHS.
He never had Covid-19, never had any symptoms of Covid-19, and was not a "victim of the coronavirus pandemic" (He had a normal, seasonal cold), but will be recorded in UK figures as "Having had coronavirus" as if he DID have Covid-19 as a result of this pandemic and is a risk to us all. His record will probably be used, like many others like him, to scare the wits out of the rest of us.
He also had to self isolate for no good reason and worse of all is now on a Track and Trace government register for eight years which means he is on the government radar and should he come in contact with any other person who also has had a previous positive test result, if they exhibit (cold) symptoms, he can be made to stop work at any point. He feels like a sex offender and that his freedom has been taken. His crimes? He had a cold, and was tested. That's not Lizards, flat earths, or David Ickes, nor is it media reports - that's REAL LIFE in Kent, folks, July 2020. Something is not right. That's why all the media reports are all over the place, the rules about do this here but not there are all over the place, why there's no common global approach or solution or clarity on anything about this pandemic. Even those who believe its going to kill us all, we need lockdown everywhere and PPE for all cant agree on the facts. As we all know, and have done at least once in our lives, maybe as a kid, maybe as an adult, when you tell a little porky or exaggerate about something and get caught out, but find you have got to keep it going, suddenly you have to keep building a web of even more and more crazier and weirder and ever more contradictory lies around it over time to protect the original lie.......and then it just turns into one big super confused mess. Sound familiar? Ok that's enough. Time for me to set sail to for the edge of flat earth with my friend the Troll from under the bridge to meet the little green men from Roswell to show me the set of the Apollo 11 faked moon landing mission and shake hands with JFK and Elvis who faked their own deaths to live in Atlantis. Because according to others on this forum if I am telling the truth about the first 8 paragraphs I have to be someone who believes everything in this ninth paragraph, as opposed to just being someone with a pair of eyes and a brain who doesn't believe everything he sees and hears in the media, but goes by what he sees going on around him, and the day to day experiences of his friends and family - i.e. in real life. How many people do you know in your families and social circles who have actually, truly, identifiably, unquestionably died as direct result of an assault on their immune system by the truly dreadful disease known as Covid-19, not from any other pre-existing cause, or were going to pass away anyway, or simple had a "normal" (cold) coronavirus? I arrest my case, your honour. Lets get back to football. Of course if the global spread of the very real and very deadly disease called Covid-19 is truly as bad as the hype, there should never be any football ever again, but lets park that and believe we will see the black and amber again in this strange nether world between "its a deadly serious pandemic" and "lets open the pubs" and "stay 2m away and don't hug me" and let 22 premiership footballers be all over each other and "not being allowed to enter your doctors surgery or your vets with your dying cat, but OK to buy a pair of shoes in a shoe shop and so on and so on and so on. COYS! I did wonder what the Government's ulterior motive was in 'allowing' the story to be released today which said that approx. 78% of those who test positive have no symptoms of Covid-19 on the day of the test. Now I realise its because they're worried about the truth coming out.
So, thanks for clearing that up.
By the way you might want to check out the definition of "initiated" before trying to rubbish someone's retelling of the reported start of South Korea's epidemic. But, there again, you might not as it doesn't appear to fit your view of the world.
Pedant - I was not rubbishing HKStones view at all, you are putting words into my post that weren't there, I was merely saying I couldn't find that particular news story and that there were many other news stories on what caused the outbreak. Please be accurate. As for the difference between initiate and outbreak, if Korea has capability to trace the pathway of the infection from an individual human source, how come the whole world - including the UK - hasn't got that and is using it daily and all around us to hunt down the sources and stop this thing? And how come that knowledge didn't stop the happy clappy's (allegedly) passing it to the LBGTQ community (lets not go there on how that may have happened!), and the good table tennis playing karaoke loving people of Korea and their schools and factories, before it was noticed? The article that HKS undoubtedly did read just sounded like a blame game thing to me as another thing this pandemic has a habit of doing is pointing fingers at particular groups to stir up hatred and angst against them. One thing we should all agree on as not a lot of any of it makes enough sense, and it should. Whatever angle you come from in your views on the whole thing, its causes and its origins, surely you have to at least agree that globally (not just Boris, please!) its a right pigs ear of masses of information that just doesn't add up or make sense, with very strange and contradictory commands and a pretty poor show at removing this pandemic from the earth, given the alleged combined brainpower and resources of mankind's science that should have been united in strength to have, by now, understood it, tracked it, contained it, and killed it off by now, given its alleged severity, and the impact it is having on us all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 20:01:01 GMT
'Logic' like this is we got into this mess. I can do a better job of laying bricks than my 11 year old, but I'm still a crap bricklayer. He says, getting tangled up in an analogy that is neither logical nor totally coherent... Yet, strangely, crystal clear and to the point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 20:03:41 GMT
I did wonder what the Government's ulterior motive was in 'allowing' the story to be released today which said that approx. 78% of those who test positive have no symptoms of Covid-19 on the day of the test. Now I realise its because they're worried about the truth coming out.
So, thanks for clearing that up.
By the way you might want to check out the definition of "initiated" before trying to rubbish someone's retelling of the reported start of South Korea's epidemic. But, there again, you might not as it doesn't appear to fit your view of the world.
Pedant - I was not rubbishing HKStones view at all, you are putting words into my post that weren't there, I was merely saying I couldn't find that particular news story and that there were many other news stories on what caused the outbreak. Please be accurate. As for the difference between initiate and outbreak, if Korea has capability to trace the pathway of the infection from an individual human source, how come the whole world - including the UK - hasn't got that and is using it daily and all around us to hunt down the sources and stop this thing? And how come that knowledge didn't stop the happy clappy's (allegedly) passing it to the LBGTQ community (lets not go there on how that may have happened!), and the good table tennis playing karaoke loving people of Korea and their schools and factories, before it was noticed? The article that HKS undoubtedly did read just sounded like a blame game thing to me as another thing this pandemic has a habit of doing is pointing fingers at particular groups to stir up hatred and angst against them. One thing we should all agree on as not a lot of any of it makes enough sense, and it should. Whatever angle you come from in your views on the whole thing, its causes and its origins, surely you have to at least agree that globally (not just Boris, please!) its a right pigs ear of masses of information that just doesn't add up or make sense, with very strange and contradictory commands and a pretty poor show at removing this pandemic from the earth, given the alleged combined brainpower and resources of mankind's science that should have been united in strength to have, by now, understood it, tracked it, contained it, and killed it off by now, given its alleged severity, and the impact it is having on us all. Whatever you do, BBJ, don't breed with nws. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 20:57:56 GMT
Given the facts that 3 pubs have already closed down again due to infections and the police comment has been that it is 'crystal clear people drinking are incapable of social distancing' I am more than happy to be ignored by people in the 'it's just a bit of flu innit' camp. Don't worry we can all agree and easily social distance from you as long as you stay in Herne Bay. Indeed I will. You might want to read this. I think Dave U might want to because his belief, indeed all our beliefs, about safety in the outside might be about to be shattered. www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/07/07/who-acknowledges-emerging-evidence-of-airborne-spread-of-covid/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 1:59:34 GMT
The 'second wave' will most likely come when overseas travel restrictions are lifted. We experienced a second wave of infections in HK when returnees from infected countries (such as the UK) started flying back home! BTW the Korean epidemic was initiated by some happy-clappy evangelical church group, a number of whom had just returned from a bible study meet-up thing in of all places.............. Wuhan! The majority of the Korean epidemic cases can be traced back to these people. God obviously doesn't look after his own. That's interesting HKStone. I have just trawled the news reports and they say that the South Korean second wave was caused by partygoers in a nightclub district over a May holiday weekend but that it was kept quiet for fear of antagonising the LBGTQ groups as it was a party district specifically for their community. There again the news reports from Metro, Express, Mirror etc also say it was caused by the employees of travelling sales company, a factory cluster, the members of a table tennis club and "crammed schools and karaoke rooms", in fact everyone but a "happy clappy evangelical church group". That's how reliable (Not) the media currently is. Unless you meant North Korea, of course, from which the news, of course, is totally reliable! Be careful what you believe, my friend, and who you accuse. Also, in South Korea, do they test for Coronavirus such as that which exists in a cold, or can they tell actually test for Covid-19? On tests, and staying with the theme of this thread, someone I know who was tested positive twice with the NHS test for Coronavirus with a (not dry) cough and cold (no temperature) - i.e. a cold - has just taken a third test which was negative for coronavirus (because that's all the NHS test can test for - it cant say if you have Covid-19, only if you have a Coronavirus). He was told he HAD to take the test by the NHS as he was a temporary worker for them - only to find out afterwards it is a Voluntary test. He was lied to by the NHS. He never had Covid-19, never had any symptoms of Covid-19, and was not a "victim of the coronavirus pandemic" (He had a normal, seasonal cold), but will be recorded in UK figures as "Having had coronavirus" as if he DID have Covid-19 as a result of this pandemic and is a risk to us all. His record will probably be used, like many others like him, to scare the wits out of the rest of us. He also had to self isolate for no good reason and worse of all is now on a Track and Trace government register for eight years which means he is on the government radar and should he come in contact with any other person who also has had a previous positive test result, if they exhibit (cold) symptoms, he can be made to stop work at any point. He feels like a sex offender and that his freedom has been taken. His crimes? He had a cold, and was tested. That's not Lizards, flat earths, or David Ickes, nor is it media reports - that's REAL LIFE in Kent, folks, July 2020. Something is not right. That's why all the media reports are all over the place, the rules about do this here but not there are all over the place, why there's no common global approach or solution or clarity on anything about this pandemic. Even those who believe its going to kill us all, we need lockdown everywhere and PPE for all cant agree on the facts. As we all know, and have done at least once in our lives, maybe as a kid, maybe as an adult, when you tell a little porky or exaggerate about something and get caught out, but find you have got to keep it going, suddenly you have to keep building a web of even more and more crazier and weirder and ever more contradictory lies around it over time to protect the original lie.......and then it just turns into one big super confused mess. Sound familiar? Ok that's enough. Time for me to set sail to for the edge of flat earth with my friend the Troll from under the bridge to meet the little green men from Roswell to show me the set of the Apollo 11 faked moon landing mission and shake hands with JFK and Elvis who faked their own deaths to live in Atlantis. Because according to others on this forum if I am telling the truth about the first 8 paragraphs I have to be someone who believes everything in this ninth paragraph, as opposed to just being someone with a pair of eyes and a brain who doesn't believe everything he sees and hears in the media, but goes by what he sees going on around him, and the day to day experiences of his friends and family - i.e. in real life. How many people do you know in your families and social circles who have actually, truly, identifiably, unquestionably died as direct result of an assault on their immune system by the truly dreadful disease known as Covid-19, not from any other pre-existing cause, or were going to pass away anyway, or simple had a "normal" (cold) coronavirus? I arrest my case, your honour. Lets get back to football. Of course if the global spread of the very real and very deadly disease called Covid-19 is truly as bad as the hype, there should never be any football ever again, but lets park that and believe we will see the black and amber again in this strange nether world between "its a deadly serious pandemic" and "lets open the pubs" and "stay 2m away and don't hug me" and let 22 premiership footballers be all over each other and "not being allowed to enter your doctors surgery or your vets with your dying cat, but OK to buy a pair of shoes in a shoe shop and so on and so on and so on. COYS! I was talking about the first wave in Korea back in January. You can tell by my use of the word 'initiiated' in my text. This was widely reported at the time. My point being that it all originated from Wuhan - which is why the PRC spent 2 months "encouraging" the WHO to rename it Covid-19 rather than Wuhan Flu. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 6:58:40 GMT
Pedant - I was not rubbishing HKStones view at all, you are putting words into my post that weren't there, I was merely saying I couldn't find that particular news story and that there were many other news stories on what caused the outbreak. Please be accurate. As for the difference between initiate and outbreak, if Korea has capability to trace the pathway of the infection from an individual human source, how come the whole world - including the UK - hasn't got that and is using it daily and all around us to hunt down the sources and stop this thing? And how come that knowledge didn't stop the happy clappy's (allegedly) passing it to the LBGTQ community (lets not go there on how that may have happened!), and the good table tennis playing karaoke loving people of Korea and their schools and factories, before it was noticed? The article that HKS undoubtedly did read just sounded like a blame game thing to me as another thing this pandemic has a habit of doing is pointing fingers at particular groups to stir up hatred and angst against them. One thing we should all agree on as not a lot of any of it makes enough sense, and it should. Whatever angle you come from in your views on the whole thing, its causes and its origins, surely you have to at least agree that globally (not just Boris, please!) its a right pigs ear of masses of information that just doesn't add up or make sense, with very strange and contradictory commands and a pretty poor show at removing this pandemic from the earth, given the alleged combined brainpower and resources of mankind's science that should have been united in strength to have, by now, understood it, tracked it, contained it, and killed it off by now, given its alleged severity, and the impact it is having on us all. Whatever you do, BBJ, don't breed with nws. It's you who was all pally with him at one point. Given the crackpot nonsense he is spouting now I'd say you have bred already |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 8:40:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:24:50 GMT
'Logic' like this is we got into this mess. I can do a better job of laying bricks than my 11 year old, but I'm still a crap bricklayer. OS is off his trolley with that post. Utter nonsense. You can apply such logic anywhere to excuse woeful inadequacy. Johnson ignored the virus in February (partly because he was on his holibobs) and partly because he thought we might escape it. Given that the infection generally came from France, Spain and Italy in late February and through March then two questions. 1) Given that we have seen relentless campaigning about controlling our borders, why did we not simply control our borders. 2) Why did we not go into lockdown sooner. I know sennockian has defended things by saying that behavioural scientists said we could manage 12 weeks, but the twelve weeks had an element of 'shutting the door after the horse had bolted" because the things had taken root. I think Johnson has handled this utterly woefully and it is no good calling me the 'blame it on Boris' briagade or telling me that Corbyn would have done no better or people moaning about making political points. The reality is that Johnson is PM. The decisions are made by him. Corbyn has gone and was never anywhere near power so quite why his name is being dragged up is beyond me (just for the record not everyone that dislikes our racist, homophobic PM is not automatically a Corbyn cheerleader). Yes, the virus is not political. The decisions not to stop travel from heavily infected countries or to lockdown sooner were. The person making them is to blame not someone else because you think they might have done no better (an unproven theory of sheer whataboutery) Johnson did get it wrong in the early weeks, that is true, as I said in my previous posting we should have gone into lockdown sooner, as Ireland did. They are almost virus free now and warned us at the time we were not taking it seriously enough. As usual, we are too arrogant as a nation to swallow our pride and follow the lead of other nations - we always think we know best. Someone mentioned the death rate - it was reported a couple of weeks ago that the percentage of people who go to hospital with CV19 and subsequently die has dropped from 6.5% to just 1.5%. That is a huge improvement by anyone's standards and as always, huge respect to NHS staff and medical researchers for the work they've done to bring that down so dramatically. As a 53 year-old overweight male, that's the kind of news I definitely like! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 13:37:38 GMT
OS is off his trolley with that post. Utter nonsense. You can apply such logic anywhere to excuse woeful inadequacy. Johnson ignored the virus in February (partly because he was on his holibobs) and partly because he thought we might escape it. Given that the infection generally came from France, Spain and Italy in late February and through March then two questions. 1) Given that we have seen relentless campaigning about controlling our borders, why did we not simply control our borders. 2) Why did we not go into lockdown sooner. I know sennockian has defended things by saying that behavioural scientists said we could manage 12 weeks, but the twelve weeks had an element of 'shutting the door after the horse had bolted" because the things had taken root. I think Johnson has handled this utterly woefully and it is no good calling me the 'blame it on Boris' briagade or telling me that Corbyn would have done no better or people moaning about making political points. The reality is that Johnson is PM. The decisions are made by him. Corbyn has gone and was never anywhere near power so quite why his name is being dragged up is beyond me (just for the record not everyone that dislikes our racist, homophobic PM is not automatically a Corbyn cheerleader). Yes, the virus is not political. The decisions not to stop travel from heavily infected countries or to lockdown sooner were. The person making them is to blame not someone else because you think they might have done no better (an unproven theory of sheer whataboutery) Johnson did get it wrong in the early weeks, that is true, as I said in my previous posting we should have gone into lockdown sooner, as Ireland did. They are almost virus free now and warned us at the time we were not taking it seriously enough. As usual, we are too arrogant as a nation to swallow our pride and follow the lead of other nations - we always think we know best. Someone mentioned the death rate - it was reported a couple of weeks ago that the percentage of people who go to hospital with CV19 and subsequently die has dropped from 6.5% to just 1.5%. That is a huge improvement by anyone's standards and as always, huge respect to NHS staff and medical researchers for the work they've done to bring that down so dramatically. As a 53 year-old overweight male, that's the kind of news I definitely like! I agree with here, Jayser. I do think the refusal to close travel to and from heavily infected countries such as China, Spain, Italy and France was a poor choice (or at least insist on testing and quarantining) was another big mistake. I fear this weekend's decision to open things will make things go up again. I don't think Johnson's language was unwise because it played into the hands of the 'it's just a bit of flu brigade'. I think this was deliberate because he needed the cash tills to ring and didn't think about death amongst the population. I think that is why we had slow lockdown and no banning of travel early on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 14:09:40 GMT
Chances are that the main reason the death toll has fallen is partly to lockdown and partly that all those who have died that might have lasted a bit longer without the virus, but sadly went early.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:12:13 GMT
Why would I want to read an opinion piece from The Who? That Pete Townsend is a nutter! The WHO have not performed well in this crisis. I have too many points that I can list. I will if asked to to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 14:09:23 GMT
The latest advice is that airborne spread is still only a problem in confined spaces with little ventilation. Simply opening a window reduces the risk dramatically, and outdoors the risk is negligible, otherwise we would already be seeing a spike due to the BLM protests and the crowded beaches. |
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Post by stonesforlife on Jul 9, 2020 21:40:02 GMT
The problem has eased, but wait till autumn, then we will all know, what direction covid is going to go, whether it will become a new seasonal thing like the winter flu, that is the big talking point amongst the medical professionals I work with, could be a really big problem for the nhs again, knowing what is covid and what is just a winter chest infection etc
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