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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 14:03:46 GMT
I was just trying to recall what insight you actually did give us at the start of this thread Adrian. All I could find in the first post was : ...on our "independence day". Johnson is an utter muppet. PS BBJ is excluded on the grounds that there is no covid in his world and it is 5g masts that are the problem Skipping through to page 4 you clarified. My original post was aimed at the fact he found the need to name Saturday 'independence day' and 'super Saturday'. Utterly woeful leadership. He might as well have called it 'plebs go out and spend money mixing and getting covid because we need your money not you' day! Maybe there was even more clarity later on, but I've given up looking. Meanwhile the article you linked to says : I'm obviously not sufficiently cognitively advanced to see it. Did you tell us whether or not you were in favour of re-opening pubs or of allowing households to meet each other? I thought your beef was about calling the re-opening day "independence day" - are you saying that it took about 3 weeks for that slogan to reach Preston? Yes you did skip and give up (or selectively give up anyway). 1. What do you think I thought when I wrote "He might as well have called it 'plebs go out and spend money mixing and getting covid because we need your money not you' day. You even quoted it! 2. Then there is this from July 7th. "Given the facts that 3 pubs have already closed down again due to infections and the police comment has been that it is 'crystal clear people drinking are incapable of social distancing' I am more than happy to be ignored by people in the 'it's just a bit of flu innit' camp. 3. What do you think I meant when I wrote, on July 8th, "I fear this weekend's decisions to open things up again will make things go up again"? 4. August 1st (noticing a pattern, Gromley?) "Facts are neither positive or negative. They are facts. Johnson was all positive when he opened up the pubs. I'm sure those in the NW that didn't go but are in measures again feel the positivity of three weeks ago..." The original incredulity was especially about the independence day comments but not solely confined to it. It was obvious people going out getting drunk would not social distance at all and stirring things up using a soppy 'Nige' slogan from brexit was only going to make things much worse. Why do you think he didn't open it up on a Tuesday with no fanfare? As for asking me why it took 3 weeks. An apology from me, the virus and Preston because it took 4 weeks for things to proliferate to the point where lockdown was considered an option and then acted upon. Jeez, give me strength... |
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Post by gromley on Aug 8, 2020 16:44:00 GMT
I should say I am not trying to defend the governments actions, some of the messaging to the public has been extremely poor - not especially "Independence Day" or "Super Saturday" but more highly confusing advice, guidance and rules such as around "bubbles" which reminded me so much of this :
Much as the "super saturday" etc. quotes were crass and choosing to re-open pubs on a Saturday was highly questionable if it were the fact that "people going out getting drunk would not social distance at all" then we would have seen substantial outbreaks everywhere within about a week.
We didn't, so even been ultra critical, Bojo got away with that one.
AS to 8th July : "I fear this weekend's decisions to open things up again will make things go up again" . That's not exactly cognitively advanced even Bojo got that, hence all of the stuff about little steps and might have reverse or pause. It was evident to everyone (except perhaps the virus deniers) that increasing opportunities for social interaction would potentially increase transmission.
You still didn't specifically say, but I take it from what you did, that you are arguing that it was wrong to re-open pubs?
I would disagree on that point, we had to try and find out and the fact that we have localised flare ups rather than a national resurgence suggest strongly to me that the issue is much more about encouraging and where necessary enforcing compliance by local authorities, pub landlords, local police.
Some of the reports for example from Aberdeen were shocking!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 17:03:46 GMT
Tell you what NWS. You stay indoors in your own private little world, because as sure as anything, the rest of us are going to have to try and live as normal a life as possible. Gradual easing is clearly necessary otherwise you will never find out what works and what doesn't. If some restrictions have to be reimposed or some local lockdowns need to be implemented, then so be it, but the country can't stay locked down indefinitely. You could end up with mass unemployment and more people dying from malnutrition, or from delaying going to hospital for vital treatment, than will ever be killed by the virus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 17:52:42 GMT
I was just trying to recall what insight you actually did give us at the start of this thread Adrian. All I could find in the first post was : Skipping through to page 4 you clarified. Maybe there was even more clarity later on, but I've given up looking. Meanwhile the article you linked to says : I'm obviously not sufficiently cognitively advanced to see it. Did you tell us whether or not you were in favour of re-opening pubs or of allowing households to meet each other? I thought your beef was about calling the re-opening day "independence day" - are you saying that it took about 3 weeks for that slogan to reach Preston? Yes you did skip and give up (or selectively give up anyway). 1. What do you think I thought when I wrote "He might as well have called it 'plebs go out and spend money mixing and getting covid because we need your money not you' day. You even quoted it! 2. Then there is this from July 7th. "Given the facts that 3 pubs have already closed down again due to infections and the police comment has been that it is 'crystal clear people drinking are incapable of social distancing' I am more than happy to be ignored by people in the 'it's just a bit of flu innit' camp. 3. What do you think I meant when I wrote, on July 8th, "I fear this weekend's decisions to open things up again will make things go up again"? 4. August 1st (noticing a pattern, Gromley?) "Facts are neither positive or negative. They are facts. Johnson was all positive when he opened up the pubs. I'm sure those in the NW that didn't go but are in measures again feel the positivity of three weeks ago..." The original incredulity was especially about the independence day comments but not solely confined to it. It was obvious people going out getting drunk would not social distance at all and stirring things up using a soppy 'Nige' slogan from brexit was only going to make things much worse. Why do you think he didn't open it up on a Tuesday with no fanfare? As for asking me why it took 3 weeks. An apology from me, the virus and Preston because it took 4 weeks for things to proliferate to the point where lockdown was considered an option and then acted upon. Jeez, give me strength... See someone tried to burn your house down yesterday but got the wrong address🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 18:03:58 GMT
Tell you what though, Vincent Van Gogh would never have worn a face mask...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 21:57:24 GMT
There have after all been outbreaks in thousands of pubs, haven't there? Or was it about three?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 22:27:19 GMT
There have after all been outbreaks in thousands of pubs, haven't there? Or was it about three? It was about 3 but take into account the public health England's lying about the figures it was probably one on a Tuesday lunchtime when there was only one fucker there. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 7:53:34 GMT
One of our biggest problems is that while there is a lot of information out there, there is not enough of the right sort.
The Gov own website says we have the capacity to do over 380000 tests daily, about 1 in 200 of the population - though we actually only manage half that.
About 800 new cases daily on average, so that means one in every 200 people tested are positive. France running at over 2000 daily btw, 20% of that in Paris, despite all the hoypoloy having decamped to the south for August.
Trouble is, most of the time we don't know where these cases are, until hot spots make the news. Kent look worse than many other parts of the country, but Ashford and Thanet make up most of the numbers. Indeed, why Ashford isn't on the list is a mystery as positive results there were pushing places in the north west.
One wonders if quality information, like regularly updated numbers for local areas, would help folk make informed choices? Trouble is, too many would still go to crowded pubs, beaches, etc regardless. In Maidstone yesterday, many were unable to 'keep left' despite all the signage and wardens.
I fear the government is very much the culprit of poor information giving. Messages need to be clear and simple, because people are either stupid, or can't be arsed to take notice. Probably why the more totalitarian the state, the better they appear to be doing - though there is always New Zealand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:18:52 GMT
Probably why the more totalitarian the state, the better they appear to be doing - though there is always New Zealand. Surely it's the opposite - the more totalitarian the state, the bigger the lies about infection rates. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:56:09 GMT
That as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 14:31:00 GMT
Superb answer! Must remember that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 14:33:57 GMT
Went shopping the other day. I HATE wearing masks - can't breath, can't see, can't hear (I know, I know, but that's how it feels!) - so I take it off between shops. Second shop the bloody thing breaks and no spare!! Had to go into a shop without a mask, feeling like a total lepper, to ask if they were selling masks (thankfull they were). Summed things up rather well, part of me thought (the other part of me just wanted to go home!).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 14:34:39 GMT
Did I say I FÚCKING HATE masks?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 15:43:31 GMT
Did I say I FÚCKING HATE masks? Then dont wear one,I dont and nobody has questioned me about it. You are old enough to be exempt. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 2:06:43 GMT
Did I say I FÚCKING HATE masks? Then dont wear one,I dont and nobody has questioned me about it. You are old enough to be exempt. I'm also disabled. 'Unforunately', I don't look either. We need "don't look at me like that, I'm exempt" badges... |
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