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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 10:34:12 GMT
Americans beggar belief. An item on BBC news site this morning details how 8% of people in Detroit live with no water because they have been cut off for not paying their bill. Apparently, this is normal in this 'great' country. So no ability to sanitise, let alone flush the toilet. Things like this and the attitudes of those demonstrators against Covid19 restrictions only go to show what a screwed up country it is. And then there's the president. In possibly his most outrageous comment since 'pussygate' - which didn't stop him getting elected of course - yesterday he was promoting the idea of injecting or inhaling disinfectant because it kills the virus in minutes. This, at a time when hospital admissions from misuse of cleaning products have gone up significantly and injection of bleach is a well known method of suicide. With all the guns available, Americans can only hope he doesn't start suggesting shooting coronavirus is an excellent way of stopping the spread. Football? What football? In one of the southern states there is a group of Americans who have been panic buying guns and ammo as they believe all those who die due to coronavirus will rise from the dead in a zombie apocalypse. In not them something boro Baptist church lot but from the same kind of area. The way things are, I'd be almost looking forward to that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 12:08:14 GMT
As time goes by and a few lazy, hazy days on, I'm just beginning to wonder if the managers job at the club is really sown up for next season..
Can't but help think if the previously reputed interest by Chris Kinnear is still current.
Has that ship sailed or is Kinnear still open to offers ?
Well he is def available, imo he would very probably be interested and he does fit the sort of person spec the owners like.
But is there a job vacancy ?
Maybe, not yet, but there is still no update on whether Hak has been offered a new contract.
With the club closed down, not surprising there is no news, but could the owners still be looking at options ?
Did Hak convince the critics (bbj etc) and the owners that 2020/21 was going to be the season when it all turned around again for the club.
Kinnear’s track record with Margate and particularly Dover is pretty tasty.
There can’t be many managers who can claim to get a club promoted to the top flight of non-league football during two different spells in charge – but Chris Kinnear is one of them
Before the season leading to his dismissal, Kinnear guided Dover to finishes of fifth, sixth and eighth (twice) in the National league.
Pretty amazing really, but having to rebuild his squad every season as bigger clubs cherry-picked Dover’s best players finally caught up with Kinnear and of course it all ended in tears.
He left the club after just 82 games shy of 1,000 matches in the Crabble hotseat, with a record of 479 wins, 206 draws and 233 defeats.
Overall, very decent.
How does Hak’s record as a manager compare with Chris Kinnear or even Jay Saunders ?
JS1 to one side for the time being, how convincing is Hak's CV ?
Let the facts speak for themselves.
Wikipedia states - Hayrettin joined Waltham Forest as manager in the 2003 close season. He then moved to Conference South side Thurrock. On 26 May 2011, he was appointed manager of Isthmian League Division One North side Grays Athletic, signing a two-year contract. He led the club to the play-offs in his first season in charge, but lost in the semi-final. In the 2012–13 season Hayrettin led Grays to promotion to the Isthmian League Premier Division.
On 5 July 2013 Hayrettin left Grays to join John Still's coaching team at Conference Premier side Luton Town as first team coach
On 27 September 2016, Hayrettin was appointed as first-team manager of National League club Braintree Town. After Braintree's relegation at the end of 2016–17, he left the club by mutual consent on 8 May 2017. On 9 October 2018, Hayrettin was reinstated manager of Braintree Town on an interim basis. He left Braintree to become Head Coach of Maidstone United.
Difficult choice ?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 12:40:31 GMT
Not really !
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Post by jackster on May 4, 2020 14:35:10 GMT
Looking at what they have achieved it would be
1 Chris Kinnear
2 Jay Saunders
3 Hak Hayrettin
One common factor - they all (allegedly) prefer the long ball game
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Post by steveh21 on May 4, 2020 15:01:03 GMT
Well there has not been any announcement re extending Hak's contract which has ended. That is probably because nobody has any idea when or if next season will happen. But we usually get some indication by now. I suppose will Hak still want to come all the way to Maidstone if we are part time? Another question for next season..if we are cutting costs do we need the expense of the U23s? Surely that money would be better spent on the first team if we are part time?
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Post by jakeyboi on May 4, 2020 15:48:48 GMT
I,m sure HH is not an idiot an he will be aware that the chances of him getting a better job offer from anywhere else is highly unlikely so he will accept whatever Maidstone offer him within reason. He is not exactly done his reputation any favours these last two seasons in non league football has he.
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Post by Harry on May 4, 2020 17:12:07 GMT
You have a point jakeyboi.
Has Hak sufficiently impressed other clubs that will encourage them to offer a contract managing full timers in the National League ?
Not a cat in hells chance.
Sort of asks another question.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 17:20:24 GMT
The management of the team in the last part of 18/19 was shocking and it couldn't have finished any worse than if the clown had stayed on.
But ok we got behind JS2/HH for the
19/20 season, with the duo recruiting their own players for their own style of play.
A mixture of good and rubbish players turned up.
But performances and results were patchy for most of the time. No consistency.
Perhaps the worst bit was the opinion of quite a few supporters that individual players were better than the sum of their constituent parts.
Why is that and who is that down to ?
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Post by Dan on May 4, 2020 17:26:33 GMT
Well there has not been any announcement re extending Hak's contract which has ended. That is probably because nobody has any idea when or if next season will happen. But we usually get some indication by now. I suppose will Hak still want to come all the way to Maidstone if we are part time? Another question for next season..if we are cutting costs do we need the expense of the U23s? Surely that money would be better spent on the first team if we are part time? Can't be 100% sure but I think the managers/coaches of the under 23's are volunteers with the players all being amateur. So other than expenses there can't be much cost. The under 23s were one of the very few bright lights last season, surely the club will stick with them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:30:54 GMT
Hak deserves it. Unbeaten for nearly two months.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 7:55:11 GMT
How does Kinnear's CV compare with John Still's? Reason for asking is that Kinnear is also getting on a bit, so could be that past glories count for less?
However, HH's record doesn't look great at our current level either. As for what happens, doubt if any changes will take place until things become clearer, which could easily be June, or August or later. When things do eventually start again, we can only hope players have kept fit and stayed off the pies, otherwise we could be watching teams made up of Danny Kedwell clones!
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Post by jackster on May 5, 2020 7:56:47 GMT
Very good point about Hak.
After all it wasn't like we were bottom of the form league with the wheels about to come off.
We just need to carry on like we left off and the club can be sure of one thing and it isn't PROMOTION !
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 8:02:17 GMT
I seem to remember that the reason Jay Saunders had to be sacked was to give us supporters "some hope".
That worked well.
Maybe the new strategy will be to ensure that we start next season without any hope.
In Hak we trust.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 8:09:36 GMT
How does Kinnear's CV compare with John Still's? Reason for asking is that Kinnear is also getting on a bit, so could be that past glories count for less? However, HH's record doesn't look great at our current level either. As for what happens, doubt if any changes will take place until things become clearer, which could easily be June, or August or later. When things do eventually start again, we can only hope players have kept fit and stayed off the pies, otherwise we could be watching teams made up of Danny Kedwell clones! Fair point, Chris Kinner's record goes back a long way and he is 65 years old now. Maybe his motivation and enthusiasm is less than it was a decade ago although right up to his final season he kept delivering successful teams. Whichever way you look at it Kinnear's record us vastly better than Hak's. If you want somebody younger there is an rookie at Margate who looks quite tasty. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:27:32 GMT
How does Kinnear's CV compare with John Still's? Reason for asking is that Kinnear is also getting on a bit, so could be that past glories count for less? However, HH's record doesn't look great at our current level either. As for what happens, doubt if any changes will take place until things become clearer, which could easily be June, or August or later. When things do eventually start again, we can only hope players have kept fit and stayed off the pies, otherwise we could be watching teams made up of Danny Kedwell clones! Fair point, Chris Kinner's record goes back a long way and he is 65 years old now. Maybe his motivation and enthusiasm is less than it was a decade ago although right up to his final season he kept delivering successful teams. Whichever way you look at it Kinnear's record us vastly better than Hak's. If you want somebody younger there is an rookie at Margate who looks quite tasty. I think you might want to check out what Dover fans thought of Kinnear's last spell there before getting too hung up about getting him in here. |
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