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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 9:30:44 GMT
Looks like the club have had a rethink in the wake of the current situation www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/ash-this-season-is-dead-and-buried-224882/Highlights of the article: Maidstone United co-owner Oliver Ash says they may have to revert to evening training once the coronavirus pandemic subsides... Before the coronavirus crisis took hold the Stones were set to stay training during the daytime hours next season. Reverting to evenings would affect who they could sign and some of their current staff might want to look elsewhere. The club will also have to consider their manager Hakan Hayrettin if they change their training hours. The club want him onboard but for now, until a decision is made by the league, nothing is certain. “There are some big decisions to be made,” he said. “A few weeks ago when the planet was different we had the discussion and decided that on the balance we would stay day-time training for all sorts of reasons but now that, like every other aspect of running the club, is up in the air and we have to re-think it because next season, if we have £500,000 less income for example, that wipes out most of the playing budget. “We have some pretty stark decisions to take and think about how we operate. I can reassure everyone that we will operate and we will make sure that we have got a club and it is going to be in the best possible shape when we all lift our heads above the parapet but i don’t know what that form will take.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 9:55:37 GMT
Might an upshot of COVID be that football has to become less money-oriented? That and not seeing Greta Thunberg on the telly for weeks, show that some good can come out of this.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 1, 2020 9:59:51 GMT
Looks like the club have had a rethink in the wake of the current situation www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/ash-this-season-is-dead-and-buried-224882/Highlights of the article: Maidstone United co-owner Oliver Ash says they may have to revert to evening training once the coronavirus pandemic subsides... Before the coronavirus crisis took hold the Stones were set to stay training during the daytime hours next season. Reverting to evenings would affect who they could sign and some of their current staff might want to look elsewhere. The club will also have to consider their manager Hakan Hayrettin if they change their training hours. The club want him onboard but for now, until a decision is made by the league, nothing is certain. “There are some big decisions to be made,” he said. “A few weeks ago when the planet was different we had the discussion and decided that on the balance we would stay day-time training for all sorts of reasons but now that, like every other aspect of running the club, is up in the air and we have to re-think it because next season, if we have £500,000 less income for example, that wipes out most of the playing budget. “We have some pretty stark decisions to take and think about how we operate. I can reassure everyone that we will operate and we will make sure that we have got a club and it is going to be in the best possible shape when we all lift our heads above the parapet but i don’t know what that form will take.” Oh dear ,the glory hunters will not like this I can already hear them sneaking out.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 1, 2020 10:02:17 GMT
Might an upshot of COVID be that football has to become less money-oriented? That and not seeing Greta Thunberg on the telly for weeks, show that some good can come out of this. Greta Thunberg no longer cares about the planet now she has discovered cock.
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Post by Bernie on Apr 1, 2020 10:45:13 GMT
It makes sense. Nobody else will have any money, so no need to compete on wages. Wonder if contracts will have a get out clause in case of future shutdowns. Main thing is to steady the financial ship for the long term. I hope months of lockdown will bring the crowds back.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Apr 1, 2020 11:13:11 GMT
It makes sense. Nobody else will have any money, so no need to compete on wages. Wonder if contracts will have a get out clause in case of future shutdowns. Main thing is to steady the financial ship for the long term. I hope months of lockdown will bring the crowds back. If the govt ever declares us BillyRay free I can see 3000 crowds watching the best PT players attracted to the Stones as we are a strong club. I said If, though!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 12:16:48 GMT
Understandable though Oliver's concerns are about whether certain players would come back if only offered part-time, the reality is, some of them won't have a choice. A number of them didn't perform well enough this season to suggest anyone else will be prepared to give them a full-time contract. I would suggest some of the players will have to think about getting a part-time job and accepting they will have to play football part-time. That at least means we can retain those who deserve it. There are a couple of exceptions of course, certainly Dan Wishart and despite his inconsistency at times, Amaluzor would probably find something in the division above. I would guess Temelci will probably chance his arm with some trials for full-time clubs as well because I believe he came to England only to play professional football (to be fair, he is probably good enough as well).
I guess with the players we would want to retain, if they do accept part-time football, geography could be a problem if they are travelling some distance. That won't look an attractive proposition if they have to come down after their day jobs for training.
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Post by jdl on Apr 1, 2020 14:19:17 GMT
My perspective (which I know won't be shared by everyone) is that we badly need a fresh start, and Wu Flu is going to force us to do exactly that.
We've lost our way with struggling in the NL and going 'full-time'. The owners tried a reset this season, but it wasn't enough of one - just more of the same, but with different people.
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Post by Nick on Apr 1, 2020 14:42:09 GMT
There is no getting away from it that going backwards to training a couple of nights a week and paying lower wages to players is going backwards. It's fine up to a point because the decision has been forced upon the owners. Never quite understood why some supporters feel that paying lower wages, reducing the catchment area and requiring players to train a couple of nights after a hard days work, will produce a team that will take the National South by storm. The change is all about cutting costs, nothing to do with attracting better players. But it is what it is. The club has to draw breath, take stock and start again with a new portfolio. I think Hak will still be with us next season, mainly cause he sees the potential in the club to 'rise again'. But we can expect to lose plenty of players from the current squad.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Apr 1, 2020 15:35:48 GMT
Looks like the club have had a rethink in the wake of the current situation www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/ash-this-season-is-dead-and-buried-224882/Highlights of the article: Maidstone United co-owner Oliver Ash says they may have to revert to evening training once the coronavirus pandemic subsides... Before the coronavirus crisis took hold the Stones were set to stay training during the daytime hours next season. Reverting to evenings would affect who they could sign and some of their current staff might want to look elsewhere. The club will also have to consider their manager Hakan Hayrettin if they change their training hours. The club want him onboard but for now, until a decision is made by the league, nothing is certain. “There are some big decisions to be made,” he said. “A few weeks ago when the planet was different we had the discussion and decided that on the balance we would stay day-time training for all sorts of reasons but now that, like every other aspect of running the club, is up in the air and we have to re-think it because next season, if we have £500,000 less income for example, that wipes out most of the playing budget. “We have some pretty stark decisions to take and think about how we operate. I can reassure everyone that we will operate and we will make sure that we have got a club and it is going to be in the best possible shape when we all lift our heads above the parapet but i don’t know what that form will take.” Bit ripe bylining an article that was ripped from a Stones Live podcast.
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Post by aristotle38 on Apr 1, 2020 17:01:38 GMT
I choose to see positives in that we’ve had more than our share of ft players just in it for the money. I’d like to think we will get a better attitude with part-timers.
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Post by Bernie on Apr 1, 2020 17:06:19 GMT
My only reservation is we completely rebuilt last season, and will have to start from scratch again, recruiting from a different pool of players. So be it. We were financially strongest when we had a part time squad with full time crowds.
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Post by pwoodstone on Apr 1, 2020 18:56:01 GMT
I think we are going to be much better off than a lot of clubs so as much as we would probably lose some players who want to try and stay full-time, I can’t see the demand out there for this quality of full time players. I think many clubs will switch to part time and many players will too.
This whole situation may have forced our hand and it may have been the right decision anyway. I am confident that our set-up will lead us to be one of the clubs who come out of this better than others.
As for the JCLs Swordy, I think they ruin the atmosphere (and add to it in good times). I am hoping a change in perspective and generally a happiness to have the game back, might lead to a much more chilled view of the club and the game at this level.
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Post by sword65 on Apr 1, 2020 19:18:22 GMT
I think we are going to be much better off than a lot of clubs so as much as we would probably lose some players who want to try and stay full-time, I can’t see the demand out there for this quality of full time players. I think many clubs will switch to part time and many players will too. This whole situation may have forced our hand and it may have been the right decision anyway. I am confident that our set-up will lead us to be one of the clubs who come out of this better than others. As for the JCLs Swordy, I think they ruin the atmosphere (and add to it in good times). I am hoping a change in perspective and generally a happiness to have the game back, might lead to a much more chilled view of the club and the game at this level. JCL's What be they?
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Post by jdl on Apr 1, 2020 19:30:54 GMT
There is no getting away from it that going backwards to training a couple of nights a week and paying lower wages to players is going backwards. It's fine up to a point because the decision has been forced upon the owners. Never quite understood why some supporters feel that paying lower wages, reducing the catchment area and requiring players to train a couple of nights after a hard days work, will produce a team that will take the National South by storm.The change is all about cutting costs, nothing to do with attracting better players. But it is what it is. The club has to draw breath, take stock and start again with a new portfolio. I think Hak will still be with us next season, mainly cause he sees the potential in the club to 'rise again'. But we can expect to lose plenty of players from the current squad. Perhaps because it worked before? Compare our 'full-time' seasons with our part-time ones. I'm not particularly in favour of either approach - whichever fits best/produces the best results would be my preference. But you can't really argue with our experience. With our gates, as good as they are in non-league terms, and no sugar-daddy, we simply can't afford to be 'full-time', especially in the NS. Look at the teams that do well in the NL - they are overwhelmingly the ones with EFL level gates, or sources of money that don't depend on gates.
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