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Post by hongkongstone on Jun 6, 2020 1:47:14 GMT
BBC News - Coronavirus: Could more UK lives have been saved? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52926198No two ways about it, the goverment have made a complete bollix of dealing with the pandemic and many extra lives have been lost as a consequence. As an island nation the UK should have been better placed to mitigate the effects of the CCPvirus than most. Look at Taiwan, 24 million population - 6 deaths. They took action to shut down flights from the PRC back in last December. Similarly Japan and New Zealand are now over the worst as is Hong Kong where in January the doctors and nurses threatened to go on strike if the government didn't close the border with the PRC. One other common element here based on observed evidence is the wearing of masks. Since one can be asymptomatic for up to 10 days then it is simply an act of social responsibility when in public and shouldn't really need regulation unless you are dealing with dim-witted sociopaths.
Talking of which the worst hit nations globally (excluding PRC where we do not know the true numbers), are US, UK, Russia and Brazil. Is it a coincidence that all of these are "led" by narcissist sociopaths with autocratic tendencies?
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Post by 61666 on Jun 6, 2020 12:06:30 GMT
BBC News - Coronavirus: NHS trust bosses not consulted over new face mask rules www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52946850 Further evidence, as if it were needed, that the government is working out the pandemic on the back of a fag packet. Just as well there are not going to be any weekend briefings now, as it means they won't have to think of something new to say. And now the news says pubs could open again in July. Working that out will need many more, or one very large, fag packet methinks.
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Post by daveu on Jun 7, 2020 6:56:48 GMT
I'd rather the government dealt with it than some of the self appointed experts on here.
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Post by 61666 on Jun 7, 2020 7:21:04 GMT
I'd rather the government dealt with it better than they are doing at the moment.
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Post by jdl on Jun 7, 2020 13:37:46 GMT
I'd rather the government dealt with it better than they are doing at the moment. It looks horribly like it's going to get worse too - the signs are not good. They've relaxed the lockdown too early and too quickly. An R value of 'between 0.7 and 0.9' is a politician’s way of saying 'practically 1' - which means the virus is still alive and kicking and just waiting for us to drop our guard. By the time the shops have been open for a couple of weeks, and the full effect of sitting on crowded trains for two hours a day with just a piece of cloth to protect you are felt, we'll be back up shit creek again, looking for our paddles. This bunch of monkeys is winging it - and it's my life they're winging it with.
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Post by nws on Jun 7, 2020 14:51:57 GMT
I'd rather the government dealt with it than some of the self appointed experts on here. Really? It's a mark of these hapless idiots that I would be relatively unfazed if decision making were left to people on here. It couldn't be worse!
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Post by jdh80 on Jun 7, 2020 19:19:00 GMT
I'd rather the government dealt with it than some of the self appointed experts on here. Really? It's a mark of these hapless idiots that I would be relatively unfazed if decision making were left to people on here. It couldn't be worse! Really the posters on here. Didn't one poster on here blame the new 5g telephone network being set up as the cause of covid-19. I've said before that politicians are inept morons but to replace them with the people on this forum would be sidewards step. I'd be quite happy replacing all politicians with a group of 14/15 year olds as they'd be a hell of a lot more organised, be able to speak to people on multiple platforms and to be honest will be a lot less dumb than any politician we currently have. If you look at the blm movement one of the most peaceful protest was in Nashville where over 20,000 attended and this was organised by 5 14/15 year old girls, if youngsters can do things like this i say let's put them in charge as they have not been corrupted by the system and i think they can make positive change in the world.
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Post by nws on Jun 8, 2020 0:05:59 GMT
Really? It's a mark of these hapless idiots that I would be relatively unfazed if decision making were left to people on here. It couldn't be worse! Really the posters on here. Didn't one poster on here blame the new 5g telephone network being set up as the cause of covid-19. Yes. He is a massive lover of this government.I've said before that politicians are inept morons but to replace them with the people on this forum would be sidewards step. If you read what I said you are totally agreeing with me here.I'd be quite happy replacing all politicians with a group of 14/15 year olds as they'd be a hell of a lot more organised, be able to speak to people on multiple platforms and to be honest will be a lot less dumb than any politician we currently have. Can't argue with thatIf you look at the blm movement one of the most peaceful protest was in Nashville where over 20,000 attended and this was organised by 5 14/15 year old girls, if youngsters can do things like this i say let's put them in charge as they have not been corrupted by the system and i think they can make positive change in the world. I'm up for it
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Post by 61666 on Jun 9, 2020 7:24:10 GMT
So, not all primary school pupils going back before the end of term after all. Well done HM Gov for at last realising you cannot accommodate all pupils in half sizes classes without doubling the number of rooms. Doh! It will be hard enough come September, something they are maybe just starting to wake up to as well. On the football front, see Aussie Rules are intending to limit gates initially to 2000. Presumably, their stadia are pretty big, but maybe a pointer for opening up things here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 13:25:56 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734 I'll be interested to see what people make of this one. BBJ and HKS will say that the BBC are in collusion with the Chinese Secret Service. JDL won't read it as it's not from the Grauniad. Sword will say it's proof that we should be totally isolated from Europe. No COVID deaths in Oxfordshire hospitals for 2 weeks (up to 5 June)... Meanwhile from another BBC article, this is where a Two Ronnies news item becomes reality: Reducing the rule to 1m could allow pubs, restaurants and hotels to reopen sooner. Smaller shops would be able to serve more customers and have shorter queues outside.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jun 10, 2020 13:50:19 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734 I'll be interested to see what people make of this one. BBJ and HKS will say that the BBC are in collusion with the Chinese Secret Service. JDL won't read it as it's not from the Grauniad. Sword will say it's proof that we should be totally isolated from Europe. No COVID deaths in Oxfordshire hospitals for 2 weeks (up to 5 June)... So it didn't come from Wuhan. It wasn't bats or pangolins, wet markets, bad labs or US troops on manoeuvres after all. It was the eyeties. Of course. Or maybe that upper class toffee nosed twit Boris single handedly spread it with his obviously philandering ways (He is a Tory, after all, fnar fnar) through his French Italian and Spanish mistresses, like they do, those rich b*stewards. And his cronies (Seeth, writhe, spit, froth at mouth, grab me flat cap and woodbine). China? They are so honourable, so trustworthy, and were so up front about their brief flirtation with a little bit of a virus problem early on, how could we ever doubt them? They are our trade buddies, after all, and we just love their sweet and sour balls. So the previous reports of mass Chinese travel for their New Year earlier this year spreading the virus, especially to cities with high Chinese populations like London and NY were rubbish after all. Phew! I am so glad we have the BBC to help us make sense of it all. But where did all those old Luigi's and Pedro''s and Pierre's get it from? What does Italy France and Spain have in common? OMG It must be the WINE!!!!! I can see it now - government enforced burning of vineyards creates a smoke pall over the whole of Europe that puts us into a months nightfall and red skies and blood moons of biblical proportions...…………………..remember, you heard it hear first. ……and its as plausible as any of the other daily constantly contradictory, confusing and deliberately ridiculous and misleading rubbish we are all fed by the media.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:00:31 GMT
... I skim-read that to "daily" and contradictory". Yes, I agree completely. No, you're quite right - it obvs came to Europe directly or indirectly from its Wuhan source. The "minor academic desperate to make a name for himself says that in fact..." type articles are the worst. I didn't even know that anyone DID think there was just one source of COVID in the UK. Interesting how they can trace individual outbreaks and their eventual collapse. As for wine - as the climate gets warmer we'll be drinking more English stuff as the years go by.
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Post by hongkongstone on Jun 11, 2020 4:36:30 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734 I'll be interested to see what people make of this one. BBJ and HKS will say that the BBC are in collusion with the Chinese Secret Service. JDL won't read it as it's not from the Grauniad. Sword will say it's proof that we should be totally isolated from Europe. No COVID deaths in Oxfordshire hospitals for 2 weeks (up to 5 June)... Meanwhile from another BBC article, this is where a Two Ronnies news item becomes reality: Reducing the rule to 1m could allow pubs, restaurants and hotels to reopen sooner. Smaller shops would be able to serve more customers and have shorter queues outside. Hardly groundbreaking news as by the time of this study (28 Feb) the CCPvirus was already in Italy, France and Spain by then. The initial transmission to Europe (apart from individuals travelling) was through the sweat shops employing cheap Chinese labour based near Milan on behalf of the fashion brands (and you thought sweat shops were just an Asian thing). This does not escape the fact that it all originated in Wuhan last October (or some are now speculating even earlier, but I will stick to facts for the time being).
What this does re-inforces is that countries that took apprropiate border controls and tested people at airports soonest have survived the best. Test, trace and isolate.
I do agree OS that social distancing measures can be relaxed once the R value falls and stays below 1.0 but also on the basis that people using public transport or going into shops use face masks. It is all a matter of common sense and social responsibility. No-one here needs to be told to wear a mask on the bus but everyone does anyway.
I think I will go down the pub and have a pint now!
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Post by 61666 on Jun 11, 2020 7:12:20 GMT
Common sense and social responsibility are not normal behaviour for a significant minority in this country, which is why governments need to exercise control in a crisis. The Cheltenham festival, that Liverpool game and even more recently drunken fights on beaches are all examples of why some people need leadership and control of some sort. Countries that locked down earlier and (especially) did test and trace have controlled the virus better than the UK. Am afraid it's no use them saying they followed the scientific advice - the evidence was already clear in places like Italy and if they thought our island status would protect us, then again government heads were collectively in the sand or up their primary orifices. No worries though, one report is now suggesting that the death rate is going to fall below the seasonal average soon, because all the frail and elderly have gone a bit early due to the virus. Watch out for a government statement somewhere in the future when formal enquiries start looking closely into where we went wrong, which uses this as an excuse. And now we have the 'social bubble' thing. Wonderful that folk who have been isolated can see relatives again, but SO complex that even the media were unable to work it out at first. And no prior warning of it happening either. Welcome, yes - but another example of fag packet planning. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 8:07:43 GMT
I think the BBC article I pasted stated the 3,000 Spaniards who went to Liverpool were a tiny fraction of the traffic from Spain to the UK that week - but of course they were densely packed in the Anfield away end, where they were most at risk of passing COVID to... each other.
Within the next week we'll see if demonstrations / going to the beach (and I bet some f&^%$r somewhere did both) cause another spike or not, as that was all about 10-12 days ago.
To some extent you've got to excuse the govt for making this up as they go along - but next time (as the doom-mongers will assure you, there will be at least another epidemic every few years...) no excuses. Vaccine City being built down the road from me at Harwell is nice, and the research into vaccines is astonishing. Let's see if and when they find something to prevent COVID.
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