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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2020 23:02:13 GMT
Part time this and local players that and don't forget to slag off the managers. What a load of drivel we hear from the black country.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jan 28, 2020 23:53:39 GMT
As though local players of this level are growing on trees and waiting to be plucked from obscurity by our management.
More B S from JDL and others who drink from the same jug of Kool-Aid.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 29, 2020 5:58:18 GMT
The only way we will revert back to part time players is if we truly are in a financial mess and I cannot see TC & OA allowing us to get into that state. I do though worry about the costs of being a "successful" club ,you only have to look at Chesterfields losses , AFC Fyldes and Ebbsfleet as well to see how quickly things can go very wrong. Wrexham have been full time for years but cannot escape the NL so there is no divine right to success with purely pro players. I can understand where Wolvestone is coming from but like Sennockian says quality part time players are not in abundance and believe it or not,not every player is longing to play for MUFC.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 29, 2020 8:50:37 GMT
Before this thread degenerates (like so many others) into petty bickering, maybe it is worth reflecting on its title. Last season was dire in most elements. We said goodbye to an iconic manager, met numerous others and saw more players than most of us want to remember. And we got relegated. And our home form was dire. This year, we haven't changed our managers, we've only used two goal keepers and home form is a marked improvement - albeit it probably couldn't get worse! Yet there is still something of an underlying unhappiness about the season is more that a few posts. Rather than dwell on what different individuals see as the issues, maybe we should turn it round and ask what it is that folk will actually class as 'better'? By that, I don't mean win every game, storm to multiple promotions, have massive cup runs, because such things are not a divine right to ANY club. Maidstone is not going to become a football League club any time soon and is unlikely to ever rise beyond League One if it did. So what is desirable and indeed realistic? For me it is about the following: First, somehow get in extra financial backing for T & O. Their pockets are not bottomless, and to progress we need more investment. Second, build the Riverside, so we have a complete stadium. Much as a new Town End would be splendid, as yet we don't really need it. Third, and I don't know how, make the Genco end the home end and put away supporters in the Town End. On a good day, the noise the Genco generates is worth an extra player on the pitch. Fourth, and most important, create a three year plan for team development, building a squad capable of competing in the National League. That means three year contracts with no cheap buy out clauses, and a continuation of our development squad which sees youth players coming into the first team as part of the whole process. Until we start tieing down a stable first team, the revolving doors will keep spinning and we can never build for the future. Whether the team plan is based around part or full time is less important than building a squad that people can relate to. Yet it could we be that there will only be a couple players carrying on into next season. Again. That has to stop for things to get better. What do others think?
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Post by jdl on Jan 29, 2020 9:22:28 GMT
Before this thread degenerates (like so many others) into petty bickering, maybe it is worth reflecting on its title. Last season was dire in most elements. We said goodbye to an iconic manager, met numerous others and saw more players than most of us want to remember. And we got relegated. And our home form was dire. This year, we haven't changed our managers, we've only used two goal keepers and home form is a marked improvement - albeit it probably couldn't get worse! Yet there is still something of an underlying unhappiness about the season is more that a few posts. Rather than dwell on what different individuals see as the issues, maybe we should turn it round and ask what it is that folk will actually class as 'better'? By that, I don't mean win every game, storm to multiple promotions, have massive cup runs, because such things are not a divine right to ANY club. Maidstone is not going to become a football League club any time soon and is unlikely to ever rise beyond League One if it did. So what is desirable and indeed realistic? For me it is about the following: First, somehow get in extra financial backing for T & O. Their pockets are not bottomless, and to progress we need more investment. Second, build the Riverside, so we have a complete stadium. Much as a new Town End would be splendid, as yet we don't really need it. Third, and I don't know how, make the Genco end the home end and put away supporters in the Town End. On a good day, the noise the Genco generates is worth an extra player on the pitch. Fourth, and most important, create a three year plan for team development, building a squad capable of competing in the National League. That means three year contracts with no cheap buy out clauses, and a continuation of our development squad which sees youth players coming into the first team as part of the whole process. Until we start tieing down a stable first team, the revolving doors will keep spinning and we can never build for the future. Whether the team plan is based around part or full time is less important than building a squad that people can relate to. Yet it could we be that there will only be a couple players carrying on into next season. Again. That has to stop for things to get better. What do others think? Excellent post, as always.
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Post by Rob on Jan 29, 2020 10:24:08 GMT
Excellent because you agree with the sentiments ?
Whatever, nobody could disagree with the desirability of extra financial backing, without which we will sit tight as a club, but still not a bad place to be imo.
The Riverside stand as a priority ?
Yes, the stadium will look more balanced and it will provide more covered seating but not much more.
Desirable or essential and a priority ?
Nice to have but it will not pay for itself and the club will still be operating at little over 50% attendance of the ground capacity most of the time.
Is that really strong enough reasons to merit a 600k investment ?
Of course the town end redevelopment will be much more expensive but the business plans suggest that it could be a real money earner and help take the club to the next level.
From the fans point of view it would transform the home base for supporters alongside all the stadium facilities.
As for point 4, we already have a development programme through the academy and under 23 set up.
But 3 year contracts for players when only half of them at best make the grade, not sure about that.
It could be seriously damaging to the footballing interests of the club by disabling the management to be able to cast out dead wood and securing fresh talent when needed.
A financial millstone !
Also don't agree with you that only 2 players of the current squad will be with us next season (where did that come from), my guess is that the number of retainees will be in the 8-10 range, which is a hell of an improvement over last season
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Post by daveu on Jan 29, 2020 10:25:52 GMT
Before this thread degenerates (like so many others) into petty bickering, maybe it is worth reflecting on its title. Last season was dire in most elements. We said goodbye to an iconic manager, met numerous others and saw more players than most of us want to remember. And we got relegated. And our home form was dire. This year, we haven't changed our managers, we've only used two goal keepers and home form is a marked improvement - albeit it probably couldn't get worse! Yet there is still something of an underlying unhappiness about the season is more that a few posts. Rather than dwell on what different individuals see as the issues, maybe we should turn it round and ask what it is that folk will actually class as 'better'? By that, I don't mean win every game, storm to multiple promotions, have massive cup runs, because such things are not a divine right to ANY club. Maidstone is not going to become a football League club any time soon and is unlikely to ever rise beyond League One if it did. So what is desirable and indeed realistic? For me it is about the following: First, somehow get in extra financial backing for T & O. Their pockets are not bottomless, and to progress we need more investment. Second, build the Riverside, so we have a complete stadium. Much as a new Town End would be splendid, as yet we don't really need it. Third, and I don't know how, make the Genco end the home end and put away supporters in the Town End. On a good day, the noise the Genco generates is worth an extra player on the pitch. Fourth, and most important, create a three year plan for team development, building a squad capable of competing in the National League. That means three year contracts with no cheap buy out clauses, and a continuation of our development squad which sees youth players coming into the first team as part of the whole process. Until we start tieing down a stable first team, the revolving doors will keep spinning and we can never build for the future. Whether the team plan is based around part or full time is less important than building a squad that people can relate to. Yet it could we be that there will only be a couple players carrying on into next season. Again. That has to stop for things to get better. What do others think? Your third point is why we need the town end before the riverside, because by making the town end the away section you deprive home supporters of all the best facilities.
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Post by jdl on Jan 29, 2020 12:19:22 GMT
Excellent because you agree with the sentiments ? Whatever, nobody could disagree with the desirability of extra financial backing, without which we will sit tight as a club, but still not a bad place to be imo. The Riverside stand as a priority ? Yes, the stadium will look more balanced and it will provide more covered seating but not much more. Desirable or essential and a priority ? Nice to have but it will not pay for itself and the club will still be operating at little over 50% attendance of the ground capacity most of the time. Is that really strong enough reasons to merit a 600k investment ? Of course the town end redevelopment will be much more expensive but the business plans suggest that it could be a real money earner and help take the club to the next level. From the fans point of view it would transform the home base for supporters alongside all the stadium facilities. As for point 4, we already have a development programme through the academy and under 23 set up. But 3 year contracts for players when only half of them at best make the grade, not sure about that. It could be seriously damaging to the footballing interests of the club by disabling the management to be able to cast out dead wood and securing fresh talent when needed. A financial millstone ! Also don't agree with you that only 2 players of the current squad will be with us next season (where did that come from), my guess is that the number of retainees will be in the 8-10 range, which is a hell of an improvement over last season Of course, why else would I say "excellent"? Mr 6 nearly always posts thoughtful and considered comments.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 29, 2020 12:55:30 GMT
Didn't say say I was right, just gave my considered opinion, just like wolvestone. Don't expect everyone (anyone!) to agree, but there are times, many times, when this forum degenerates into petty points scoring rather than a bit of open debate. Whatever. Each to their own, but it does become tedious at times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 13:06:56 GMT
To answer the original question: yes.
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Post by distantfan on Jan 29, 2020 13:13:42 GMT
Can anyone point me to a source for the estimated costs of the west stand and the redevelopment of the Town End. As the club helpfully re-sent out all 25 of its emails I had a quick glance through them and could find no costings.
The emails also provide a salutary reminder that things have unequivocally got better.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 29, 2020 13:42:44 GMT
Can anyone point me to a source for the estimated costs of the west stand and the redevelopment of the Town End. As the club helpfully re-sent out all 25 of its emails I had a quick glance through them and could find no costings. The emails also provide a salutary reminder that things have unequivocally got better. Estimated cost: A lot Actual cost: A lot more Conclusion: Neither will be built in any great hurry.
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2020 14:12:29 GMT
Pretty sure the source was the club itself a while back. Circa estimates 500k for the Riverside and up to 2m for the TE.
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2020 14:16:30 GMT
Didn't say say I was right, just gave my considered opinion, just like wolvestone. Don't expect everyone (anyone!) to agree, but there are times, many times, when this forum degenerates into petty points scoring rather than a bit of open debate. Whatever. Each to their own, but it does become tedious at times. But you did invite responses, so inevitably some will agree with you like JDL and others are likely to point out where you are both wrong.
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Post by daveu on Jan 29, 2020 14:19:27 GMT
Can anyone point me to a source for the estimated costs of the west stand and the redevelopment of the Town End. As the club helpfully re-sent out all 25 of its emails I had a quick glance through them and could find no costings. The emails also provide a salutary reminder that things have unequivocally got better. So maybe it wasn't accidental after all
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