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Post by 61666 on Jan 29, 2020 15:39:00 GMT
But you did invite responses, so inevitably some will agree with you like JDL and others are likely to point out where you are both wrong.[/quote]
Indeed I did, but all too often on this forum, it is the tone of the response that I find disappointing, not to me, as I'm not in the least bothered by them, but I do find the way any discussion so often degenerates into personal point scoring is, well, boring. One assumes we are all grown ups here, not children throwing their toys out the pram.
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Post by Bernie on Jan 29, 2020 16:15:56 GMT
So. Ten pages on, has it got better? Or is there life in this discussion yet?
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Post by daveu on Jan 29, 2020 16:29:05 GMT
So. Ten pages on, has it got better? Or is there life in this discussion yet? Well, regardless of what the naysayers think (and spout ad infinitum) it certainly has. I no longer turn up at games expecting to lose. I no longer give up all hope as soon as we concede first. Regardless of the much touted weakness of our attack I always think we will score. This is a decent side and the odd bad result doesn't make it a bad one. People say we are too reliant on Lewington. I say that's what he's there for. All teams will concede chances, that's why they have goalkeepers. We have the third best defence in the division and an attack, that while not prolific, is far from the worst in the division. Against Oxford the midfield looked as strong and dominant as I have seen it for a very long time. What's not to like? Clearly there is still work to do but I simply can't accept the doom merchants' assertions that we have serious issues.
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 29, 2020 22:28:39 GMT
I agree with DaveU on this and here's why.
We had the three promotions in four seasons under a good young manager and were spoilt on that success imo and gave a number of our fans base false expectancy of what we can achieve as a club.
To compete over a long period in the nl we need to be a full time team and need to have some stability, i think changing to part time might get us promoted but feel we would come right back down the following year.
The problem that we have is that to move on to next level and the next level Imo is a soli mid to top half team in the nl is to stay as full time but we would need extra funding and how many teams are in that position.
At present there is no need to look at the ground capacity imo we are not in a situation where we need to get the ground up to scratch for the efl, so no need to do anything at present there.
With regards to the attendances yea last time we were in this league they were higher, we were on the crest of the wave going up the pyramid, we had a few poor seasons in the nl and we just needed to stabilise ourselves this year, mid table maybe pinching playoffs if possible.
We have found our level to be competitive at in the nls, for us to move on again i think will take a bit of time or foe us to think f it and risk the long term future of the club.
What i do find interesting reading this, Facebook and twitter is some of the fans whinging about the lack of finances being spent by the club are the same ones whinging about how much they have to pay to get in.
There has been a lot of moaning about hakan and i ha e said before if he was in sole charge i would be concerned, however I'm not one to be get the manager out.
What some of our fanbase need to think about Imo is what constitutes success and how do they think we will get there as we can all sit in hope that an investor will come in but how long have you been having those same dreams about winning the lottery, it ain't going to happen. So where does that leave the team...
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Post by sword65 on Jan 29, 2020 23:30:05 GMT
A lot of those fans only jumped in the bandwagon in 2012 ,all they have known is success. When things went wrong last season many of them jumped ship which is why our attendances are much lower this year . I would bet good money that those who have flown the coop are 18-22year olds who just do not understand the ups and downs of being a football supporter.
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Post by hongkongstone on Jan 30, 2020 4:37:50 GMT
Whilst we would all love to have a Riverside stand, with seating for JDL so the sun doesn't get in his elderly eyes, as OA said to me when I was last back in the Stone, it will not generate any significant additional revenue.
So unless we have a good FAC run like Sutton did a couple of years ago then it cannot be justified financially at the moment.
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Post by meerkat87 on Jan 30, 2020 7:48:24 GMT
Completely disagree regarding the age of the supporters who stopped attending last season.
I reckon a fair few of the older generation did because they think they know better than our current owners, they can't believe they are not spending (even) more money on buying bigger money players to get us back in the National League again, after all, our time in that league was just SO enjoyable, which must mean they clearly aren't interested in what the supporters want,so why should they attend?
Eeesh, think I fell out the bed this morning 😁😁
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Post by headstone on Jan 30, 2020 10:03:05 GMT
Even more of their own money, too.
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Post by jdl on Jan 30, 2020 13:32:50 GMT
Never mind all that - how come nws is now a NEW member with just 24 posts???
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Post by sword65 on Jan 30, 2020 13:42:33 GMT
Never mind all that - how come nws is now a NEW member with just 24 posts??? The posting king is dead , long live the new king. King JDL 1st.
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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jan 30, 2020 13:42:55 GMT
I agree with DaveU on this and here's why. We had the three promotions in four seasons under a good young manager and were spoilt on that success imo and gave a number of our fans base false expectancy of what we can achieve as a club. To compete over a long period in the nl we need to be a full time team and need to have some stability, i think changing to part time might get us promoted but feel we would come right back down the following year. The problem that we have is that to move on to next level and the next level Imo is a soli mid to top half team in the nl is to stay as full time but we would need extra funding and how many teams are in that position. At present there is no need to look at the ground capacity imo we are not in a situation where we need to get the ground up to scratch for the efl, so no need to do anything at present there. With regards to the attendances yea last time we were in this league they were higher, we were on the crest of the wave going up the pyramid, we had a few poor seasons in the nl and we just needed to stabilise ourselves this year, mid table maybe pinching playoffs if possible. We have found our level to be competitive at in the nls, for us to move on again i think will take a bit of time or foe us to think f it and risk the long term future of the club. What i do find interesting reading this, Facebook and twitter is some of the fans whinging about the lack of finances being spent by the club are the same ones whinging about how much they have to pay to get in. There has been a lot of moaning about hakan and i ha e said before if he was in sole charge i would be concerned, however I'm not one to be get the manager out. What some of our fanbase need to think about Imo is what constitutes success and how do they think we will get there as we can all sit in hope that an investor will come in but how long have you been having those same dreams about winning the lottery, it ain't going to happen. So where does that leave the team... [/quote Good post. Yes we were spoiled by success and JS1 and have our doubts about Hak and I am disappointed that FT hasn’t meant better performances and a higher league position and I do think that doing better was the expectations from someone of JS2’s quality but having said that..... Yes we are in a better place than a year ago and things are going close to plan just not smashing it. As a school report it would be improved on last year and some good signs but still room for improvement still more work to be done. Those who expected more than that are the ones who aren’t attending any more - of all ages!
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Post by Nick on Jan 30, 2020 13:43:15 GMT
Its a mystery. His 'history' still records him as being a prolific poster who never gives up and does't know when to stop. Is he mates with the 'Administrator' or has he found a way to confound the technology supposedly governing this forum ? We nws hasn't got any mates so we can rule that one out. But if he's engineered a technical tweak, then how and what ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 13:46:24 GMT
Whilst we would all love to have a Riverside stand, with seating for JDL so the sun doesn't get in his elderly eyes, as OA said to me when I was last back in the Stone, it will not generate any significant additional revenue. So unless we have a good FAC run like Sutton did a couple of years ago then it cannot be justified financially at the moment. There is indeed a fundamental issue with the Riverside Stand project in that it can't possibly be large enough to bring our ground anywhere close to Football League standard, which kind of makes it pointless at a time when we have enough capacity for the support that wants to watch. If hundreds of thousands were spent building it, that's money that cannot then go towards a big stand at the Town End that could, on its own, bring us up to FL standard. It doesn't make any sort of economic sense to spend money on the Riverside Stand at the moment and I'm sure that is why Oliver and Terry shelved it. Obviously it will one day be a good idea if we're to maximise the capacity of The Gallagher, and also because if we do eventually get to the FL, pitch side standing isn't allowed.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 30, 2020 14:05:35 GMT
Whilst we would all love to have a Riverside stand, with seating for JDL so the sun doesn't get in his elderly eyes, as OA said to me when I was last back in the Stone, it will not generate any significant additional revenue. So unless we have a good FAC run like Sutton did a couple of years ago then it cannot be justified financially at the moment. There is indeed a fundamental issue with the Riverside Stand project in that it can't possibly be large enough to bring our ground anywhere close to Football League standard, which kind of makes it pointless at a time when we have enough capacity for the support that wants to watch. If hundreds of thousands were spent building it, that's money that cannot then go towards a big stand at the Town End that could, on its own, bring us up to FL standard. It doesn't make any sort of economic sense to spend money on the Riverside Stand at the moment and I'm sure that is why Oliver and Terry shelved it. Obviously it will one day be a good idea if we're to maximise the capacity of The Gallagher, and also because if we do eventually get to the FL, pitch side standing isn't allowed. Which brings us back to an old problem. The EFL will not sanction 3G pitches. To get promoted we would have to get rid of 3G. We get rid of it and our income gets slashed and if that happens we wont have money to do any improvements let alone build big new stands.
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Post by pedant on Jan 30, 2020 14:41:03 GMT
Its a mystery. His 'history' still records him as being a prolific poster who never gives up and does't know when to stop. Is he mates with the 'Administrator' or has he found a way to confound the technology supposedly governing this forum ? We nws hasn't got any mates so we can rule that one out. But if he's engineered a technical tweak, then how and what ? Worryingly, because it means I'm publically acknowledging reading at least one of his recent posts , he did post that he had asked the 'Administrator' to reset the number to zero.
Vaguely recall it was in response to some alleged 'competition' with jdl.
Having admitted my dark secret I'm now off for therapy.
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