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Post by Rob on Jan 28, 2020 21:03:05 GMT
Is JDL really living on planet Earth? I go to matches, discuss Stones matters with a wide circle of friends and supporters, but nowhere, absolutely nowhere, do I hear people expressing the negative, moaning stuff you read on this forum.
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Post by daveu on Jan 28, 2020 21:06:51 GMT
Well, for one thing your statement that there are serious concerns. That is your opinion based entirely on your own expectations. My expectations were somewhat lower which is why I believe we are exactly where we expected to be, so no serious concerns. I don't want to go all nws on you, but I have heard people at games and elsewhere express concerns about the club, and I have read people on here expressing concerns about the club, therefore my statement that "there are concerns" IS a fact. Any others? Actually you said "serious concerns", and anyway it's still only an opinion, not a fact.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2020 21:09:00 GMT
Fair point Rob, although JDL is not the only moaner, there are about 6 individuals in this forum and no more, who seem to get a real kick about criticising the team, the management and the owners. They just go on and on and on but don't represent the vast majority of supporters at all.
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Post by wolvesstone on Jan 28, 2020 21:34:32 GMT
Has it got any better ? Well, let me be perfectly open and declare I have never been one of the forum enthusiasts (and there are a few) who have long since been advocating the sacking of our management duo and at least half of the playing squad Added to which, we have heard constantly from the same people that reverting to part time status will improve the quality of players available to the club. If that's not enough then it seems then we have to read posts which scream that we need to recruit mainly local players, because apparently that will also somehow magically improve team performances, commitment, enthusiasm, loyalty, blah, blah, blah. Well, this forum is all about opinions but the negativity and moaning abilities of some of our esteemed scribblers are legendary. Taking stock now, John Still has declared his satisfaction with the personnel, shape and qualities of our midfield, namely Andre Boucard, Zihni Temelci and Saidou Khan. In fairness, Saidou only joined us as a trialist at the start at the start of the season and my word hasn't he blossomed as the months go by. His injury pre-Christmas probably spared the club losing his to the EFL in the transfer window, he is a talent. Zini is another who turned up unexpectedly 2/3 month into the season with everything to prove and what's there not to like ? Andre is a class act who brings quality and know how into the holding midfield role, something that we previously missed. With Sam Corne, getting close to match fitness, to add his work-rate, skill and guile it's looking very good. Add to which we have one of the best defences in the league Lewington/Cole,Hoyte, Elokobi, Johnson, Chesmain and some quality attacking talent in Akanbi, Amaluzor and Wishart (ok we are a bit lightweight in strikers) Despite the moaners and critics who often seem to dominate threads we have the talent and qualities to press hard for a play-off place and beyond.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2020 21:34:42 GMT
I don't want to go all nws on you, but I have heard people at games and elsewhere express concerns about the club, and I have read people on here expressing concerns about the club, therefore my statement that "there are concerns" IS a fact. Any others? Actually you said "serious concerns", and anyway it's still only an opinion, not a fact. My statement that people have concerns, serious or not, is a fact. They have concerns, I am simply reporting this fact - it's not my 'opinion' that they have concerns. Whether or not these concerns are valid IS an opinion. But I don't make a judgement on that.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2020 21:39:35 GMT
Fair point Rob, although JDL is not the only moaner, there are about 6 individuals in this forum and no more, who seem to get a real kick about criticising the team, the management and the owners. They just go on and on and on but don't represent the vast majority of supporters at all. Where exactly have I "moaned"? I occasionally express my own concerns, views and opinions, because this is a supporters' discussion forum - that's what it's for. I do not 'moan'. Everybody has different view and opinions, some aren't 'right' and others 'wrong' just because they don't match/disagree with yours.
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Post by shamstone on Jan 28, 2020 21:40:07 GMT
I am sure there are those who express concern, I expect even Liverpool has them. The point is are they worth listening to? How well informed are they? Are they fair weather supporters not worthy of the name? Anyone can express an opinion but unless they have knowledge rather than an alcoholic opinion or just wanting to start an argument their opinion is not worth discussion. Aren’t alcoholics allowed to have opinions?
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Post by shamstone on Jan 28, 2020 21:42:12 GMT
Fair point Rob, although JDL is not the only moaner, there are about 6 individuals in this forum and no more, who seem to get a real kick about criticising the team, the management and the owners. They just go on and on and on but don't represent the vast majority of supporters at all. Where exactly have I "moaned"? I occasionally express my own concerns, views and opinions, because this is a supporters' discussion forum - that's what it's for. I do not 'moan'. Everybody has different view and opinions, some aren't 'right' and others 'wrong' just because they don't match/disagree with yours. Yeah JDL, how dare you have an opinion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 21:54:20 GMT
Hi all, your doing alright, good owners, and a good following, as someone has already said, try being a Fleet fan. We all knew that at some point it was likely it would all come tumbling down. Yes some of the younger element were gloating about the money we had from the doctor, but the older ones new the likely reality of this situation, and how it would end up. Some of you have been through it with your club, so you know what it is like. How this all ends up, I just don't know. Indeed, it's nigh on impossible to work out the end game to your current situation. I hope it works out okay because no club's supporters should be subjected to that crap. I know we have some fans who probably don't agree with that because they have no regard for our rivals but it's my view. To be honest I don't like your owner and I don't like your secretary who has acted like a turd both on your forum and in personal messages to myself and at least one other supporter, but football clubs are mostly about the fans, not the idiots who run them.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2020 22:23:36 GMT
Well I will do a JDL and exoress a minority and unpopular opinion. Stuff may be very dodgy at Fleet but personally I love the rivalry, banter and everything that goes into Kent derbies (despite losing most of them). Hoping that things work out for the club somehow and looking forward to our matches against them next year already.
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Post by daveu on Jan 28, 2020 22:29:15 GMT
Actually you said "serious concerns", and anyway it's still only an opinion, not a fact. My statement that people have concerns, serious or not, is a fact. They have concerns, I am simply reporting this fact - it's not my 'opinion' that they have concerns. Whether or not these concerns are valid IS an opinion. But I don't make a judgement on that. Your original post said nothing about other people's concerns. You simply stated your opinion and tried to claim it as fact.
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Post by Nick on Jan 28, 2020 22:32:49 GMT
Daveu, are you related to nws ?
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Post by daveu on Jan 28, 2020 22:33:46 GMT
Daveu, are you related to nws ? I was starting to think JDL was. He certainly doesn't like being contradicted.
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Post by wolvesstone on Jan 28, 2020 22:43:48 GMT
Your comments about "long since been advocating the sacking of our management duo and at least half of the playing squad", "reverting to part time status " and "posts which scream that we need to recruit mainly local players" were presumably poked at one of my recent postings which called for the second and third of these ideas. I would guess that at least Hakan Hayrettin would leave for full time pastures should the part time status of first team players be reinstated by the club. John Still might stay on because of his friendship with Bill Williams and because I suspect he does feel something for the town and its football club.
I would not criticise any of the playing staff for leaving at the end of this season should we not go up. They would need to improve their profiles and "promote" themselves if they are to pursue a full time career. That is natural.
I also believe that the players out there on the turf (or in our case the plastic) almost always do their best in the varied circumstances (home, away, wind, sun, good opponents, bad, no crowd, lots of singing, etc.).
But I believe that what will happen at the end of this season, if we remain in this league, is that the better players will go. What began as a merry-go-round under the unfortunate (but heroic) Jay Saunders when we went full time was exploited by Harry, who pushed the merry-go-round quicker and splashed the directors' cash on it. Nothing has really changed since Harry. The Comic Duo since they took over at Leyton Orient last season have sacked an entire squad bar one. They have brought in a new squad most of which will disappear at the end of this season because that's how full time seems to work.
There is a danger that the club will transform from an exciting local project funded by a couple of fantastically generous businessmen into a feeder club for the league. In come the trainees and the "experienced" elders regardless of their interest in the town or in its future. Just look at most of the league clubs, not just the Premier League. Five years of this and most of the people watching the match will have programme notes similar to those at the old dog race meetings whereby one doesn't know who's who but have to look at the form, the previous clubs, the feeder club and watch the pretty football. The result will be an irrelevance because the club, unlike the players, will be going nowhere.
I'm not bothered about MUFC not getting promotion, or not becoming a league club. What bothers me is the decline in terms of care, atmosphere, local heroes playing for the shirt and a pride in the town. And once you get to know the players it really does make you care about them.
I had a quick look at the comparative attendances for the equivalent games this year and in our National League South year 2015/16: 15/08/15 Oxford City 2037 (this season 1739), 31/08/15 Chelmsford 2117 (1914), 12/09/15 Havant 2054 (1903), 17/10/15 St. Alban's 2103 (1806), 28/12/15 Eastbourne 2691 (1713), 26/03/16 Hemel 2481 (1278). Interestingly our home match with Concord that blessed season was 2355!
Of course I stuck in the Hemel stat as a wind up for those who say that critics of the Comic Duo are "moaners" and scribblers of "negativity". It's a good job the wind blew more people in that night, as they were struggling to get home from work.
Those attendance stats suggest that people are voting with their feet. We can't blame the attendance price. We can't blame the directors. But if the attendance stats are a trend which continues then they suggest other than that full time status of players is embracing success at the club. I believe not and I believe that the way forwards is backwards.
Bring back part time. No ifs, no buts.
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Post by Nick on Jan 28, 2020 22:55:53 GMT
Pretty obvious wolvestone that you are 'one of the very few' who regularly contribute the negative stuff. I understand that you have these negative thoughts and you are simply expressing them for the delight and entertainment of the rest of us. Where it ceases to be amusing is your constant reference to John and Hakan as the 'comic duo' always looking to criticise and belittle them. On a fans forum your snide comments are disrespectful and pretty disgusting coming from a supposed supporter. Best you just carry on about the club needing part time local players to be our heroes and all that bollocks,
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