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Post by Fed up with PC views only on Jan 27, 2020 20:20:42 GMT
One win and everything's OK? Anyone who is concerned about anything is labelled as 'negative' and 'moaning'... Why does everything have to be so black and white, so 'us and them'? We're all supporters, we all want the same thing. But we all have different views - and this forum exists for the purpose of discussing those views. Yes, we're roughly where we wanted/expected to be by this time and JS2/HH have done a good job of rebuilding the team. But anyone who's watched the Stones recently will know that there are still significant concerns. Despite our positive attacking play, we are still finding it very difficult to convert that to goals. We have one of the best defensive records, but this is all to often down to brilliant goalkeeping and heroic last-ditch defending. And, after nearly a year, very few fans are convinced by HH. That's not moaning or being negative, it's just a factual description of where we are. Why can't we discuss this without labelling anyone who has a different view? Absolutely brilliant post.
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Post by shamstone on Jan 27, 2020 20:54:23 GMT
I agree with you Nick but what it has got to do with JS1 I dont know. PS. Always thought Wishart would make a good forward maybe we should partner him up front with Akanbi. I like the Wishart, Chesmain partnership. We have the look of a side that will peak at the right time to me. I was thinking Chesmain not playing at St Albans changed the balance of the team. Wish can’t defend for toffee and when he was put in defence I think he possibly had the hump. May have been a factor why we were so shit that day. We’ve had a couple of mini runs. Now everything’s come to a head, we may well peak at the right time. I think what we want is effort and commitment. That’s what I want. Whatever the result, at least I’ll know they tried. COYS
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Post by sword65 on Jan 27, 2020 21:02:02 GMT
I like the Wishart, Chesmain partnership. We have the look of a side that will peak at the right time to me. I was thinking Chesmain not playing at St Albans changed the balance of the team. Wish can’t defend for toffee and when he was put in defence I think he possibly had the hump. May have been a factor why we were so shit that day. We’ve had a couple of mini runs. Now everything’s come to a head, we may well peak at the right time. I think what we want is effort and commitment. That’s what I want. Whatever the result, at least I’ll know they tried. COYS Ask Sennockian for your season ticket back, you know it makes sense, which is more than I do sometimes
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Post by shamstone on Jan 27, 2020 21:31:17 GMT
Nah mate. I’ll be working most of the home games now. Anyway someone else can share the joy
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Post by jdh80 on Jan 28, 2020 7:08:08 GMT
Well it seems that any temporary dip in the fortunes of the team will quickly provoke a shabby response from the usual suspects about our owners who are supposedly out of their depth. If only we could be run like Chesterfield fc which has just posted a £1.8million loss compared to a 1.0million loss the previous year. The club's loan debt has increased from £7million to £9.3million, gate receipts down £380k and commercial income down £200k. Be careful what you wish for ! Exactly. Try being a Fleet fan. All teams outside the Premiership reach a level where it's hard to make progress - that level comes at different places for different teams of course. I do think with our set-up and fan base that stability in the NL should be achievable at some point, but above that is very hard. In a way it's an unsolvable problem because as fans you always want to see progress to the next level. A good example of what I'm talking about would be our opponents tomorrow, Tonbridge. In many ways it's a well run little club, but where do they go from where they are now? Their ground would require huge investment to make it NL standard - their hardcore fan base is around 500 at our level, which might rise to 700 - 800 if they went up again (so wholly inadequate in terms of revenue). As an Angels fan, what have you go to look forward to other than trying to win derbies against teams like us and Dartford, and simply trying to stay up in NLS? This cycle is only broken if a rich benefactor comes in to any given club and spunks money on it to raise it above its natural level. The problem, as we know, is that usually ends in tears when the money runs out, or the owner decides to move on. It's not impossible we could still make the FL one day, and it's also possible that with increased attendances and a big £2 million stand with income-generating space built into it at the Town End, that League 2 might even be sustainable. But what then? What happens when we're fighting to stay mid table in league 2? People would be moaning on here that the management / owners / players aren't doing enough of course! That's football. Very well said jayser. I did think that our new town end stand was going to cost north of £2million though.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2020 12:10:17 GMT
Well it seems that any temporary dip in the fortunes of the team will quickly provoke a shabby response from the usual suspects about our owners who are supposedly out of their depth. If only we could be run like Chesterfield fc which has just posted a £1.8million loss compared to a 1.0million loss the previous year. The club's loan debt has increased from £7million to £9.3million, gate receipts down £380k and commercial income down £200k. Be careful what you wish for ! Exactly. Try being a Fleet fan. All teams outside the Premiership reach a level where it's hard to make progress - that level comes at different places for different teams of course. I do think with our set-up and fan base that stability in the NL should be achievable at some point, but above that is very hard. In a way it's an unsolvable problem because as fans you always want to see progress to the next level. A good example of what I'm talking about would be our opponents tomorrow, Tonbridge. In many ways it's a well run little club, but where do they go from where they are now? Their ground would require huge investment to make it NL standard - their hardcore fan base is around 500 at our level, which might rise to 700 - 800 if they went up again (so wholly inadequate in terms of revenue). As an Angels fan, what have you go to look forward to other than trying to win derbies against teams like us and Dartford, and simply trying to stay up in NLS? This cycle is only broken if a rich benefactor comes in to any given club and spunks money on it to raise it above its natural level. The problem, as we know, is that usually ends in tears when the money runs out, or the owner decides to move on. It's not impossible we could still make the FL one day, and it's also possible that with increased attendances and a big £2 million stand with income-generating space built into it at the Town End, that League 2 might even be sustainable. But what then? What happens when we're fighting to stay mid table in league 2? People would be moaning on here that the management / owners / players aren't doing enough of course! That's football. I'd rather not try to be a Fleet fan though...
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Post by daveu on Jan 28, 2020 12:23:13 GMT
One win and everything's OK? Anyone who is concerned about anything is labelled as 'negative' and 'moaning'... Why does everything have to be so black and white, so 'us and them'? We're all supporters, we all want the same thing. But we all have different views - and this forum exists for the purpose of discussing those views. Yes, we're roughly where we wanted/expected to be by this time and JS2/HH have done a good job of rebuilding the team. But anyone who's watched the Stones recently will know that there are still significant concerns. Despite our positive attacking play, we are still finding it very difficult to convert that to goals. We have one of the best defensive records, but this is all to often down to brilliant goalkeeping and heroic last-ditch defending. And, after nearly a year, very few fans are convinced by HH. That's not moaning or being negative, it's just a factual description of where we are. Why can't we discuss this without labelling anyone who has a different view? No it's not, it's opinion. Everyone's judgement of where we are is purely subjective based on their own expectations. So if we are where we expected to be where are the significant concerns. There is still work to do but that's exactly what most of us expected at this stage so I would hardly call them significant concerns. You seem to have higher expectations than most of us I guess which is why you consistently post some of the most negative stuff on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:31:47 GMT
Exactly. Try being a Fleet fan. All teams outside the Premiership reach a level where it's hard to make progress - that level comes at different places for different teams of course. I do think with our set-up and fan base that stability in the NL should be achievable at some point, but above that is very hard. In a way it's an unsolvable problem because as fans you always want to see progress to the next level. A good example of what I'm talking about would be our opponents tomorrow, Tonbridge. In many ways it's a well run little club, but where do they go from where they are now? Their ground would require huge investment to make it NL standard - their hardcore fan base is around 500 at our level, which might rise to 700 - 800 if they went up again (so wholly inadequate in terms of revenue). As an Angels fan, what have you go to look forward to other than trying to win derbies against teams like us and Dartford, and simply trying to stay up in NLS? This cycle is only broken if a rich benefactor comes in to any given club and spunks money on it to raise it above its natural level. The problem, as we know, is that usually ends in tears when the money runs out, or the owner decides to move on. It's not impossible we could still make the FL one day, and it's also possible that with increased attendances and a big £2 million stand with income-generating space built into it at the Town End, that League 2 might even be sustainable. But what then? What happens when we're fighting to stay mid table in league 2? People would be moaning on here that the management / owners / players aren't doing enough of course! That's football. Very well said jayser. I did think that our new town end stand was going to cost north of £2million though. I guess it depends on what you build. You can knock up a Genco for less than a million as we've seen, but it's obvious (and confirmed by Terry in various comments) that for any sort of long-term stability and advancement, a new Town End stand must really include top-class facilities (bar, changing rooms, offices, club shop, perhaps some rentable offices or other commercial premises) built into the back of it. Maybe it would be doable at £2 million if we pull in some more favours from Mr Gallagher, who knows. Either way, it won't be cheap.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2020 13:46:40 GMT
One win and everything's OK? Anyone who is concerned about anything is labelled as 'negative' and 'moaning'... Why does everything have to be so black and white, so 'us and them'? We're all supporters, we all want the same thing. But we all have different views - and this forum exists for the purpose of discussing those views. Yes, we're roughly where we wanted/expected to be by this time and JS2/HH have done a good job of rebuilding the team. But anyone who's watched the Stones recently will know that there are still significant concerns.
Despite our positive attacking play, we are still finding it very difficult to convert that to goals. We have one of the best defensive records, but this is all to often down to brilliant goalkeeping and heroic last-ditch defending. And, after nearly a year, very few fans are convinced by HH. That's not moaning or being negative, it's just a factual description of where we are. Why can't we discuss this without labelling anyone who has a different view? No it's not, it's opinion. Everyone's judgement of where we are is purely subjective based on their own expectations. So if we are where we expected to be where are the significant concerns. There is still work to do but that's exactly what most of us expected at this stage so I would hardly call them significant concerns. You seem to have higher expectations than most of us I guess which is why you consistently post some of the most negative stuff on this forum. What bit of that is factually wrong then?
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Post by daveu on Jan 28, 2020 16:07:57 GMT
Well, for one thing your statement that there are serious concerns. That is your opinion based entirely on your own expectations. My expectations were somewhat lower which is why I believe we are exactly where we expected to be, so no serious concerns.
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Post by pigbag on Jan 28, 2020 16:48:14 GMT
I agree DaveU At the start of the season everyone I spoke to said they would settle for midtable and the playoffs would be a good season. It was a new team with many players from lower divisions and with no full time experience. The management warned it would take time to gel and some would not work out. Most people had the same expectation as DaveU. Next season will be different. We would hope to keep the nucleus of the squad and build on it with a target of getting promoted. No serious concerns about this season and with another investor on board next year the future looks rosy.
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Post by jdl on Jan 28, 2020 19:43:08 GMT
Well, for one thing your statement that there are serious concerns. That is your opinion based entirely on your own expectations. My expectations were somewhat lower which is why I believe we are exactly where we expected to be, so no serious concerns. I don't want to go all nws on you, but I have heard people at games and elsewhere express concerns about the club, and I have read people on here expressing concerns about the club, therefore my statement that "there are concerns" IS a fact. Any others?
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Post by pigbag on Jan 28, 2020 19:57:38 GMT
I am sure there are those who express concern, I expect even Liverpool has them. The point is are they worth listening to? How well informed are they? Are they fair weather supporters not worthy of the name? Anyone can express an opinion but unless they have knowledge rather than an alcoholic opinion or just wanting to start an argument their opinion is not worth discussion.
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Post by fleetphil on Jan 28, 2020 20:14:31 GMT
Hi all, your doing alright, good owners, and a good following, as someone has already said, try being a Fleet fan. We all knew that at some point it was likely it would all come tumbling down. Yes some of the younger element were gloating about the money we had from the doctor, but the older ones new the likely reality of this situation, and how it would end up. Some of you have been through it with your club, so you know what it is like. How this all ends up, I just don't know.
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Post by sword65 on Jan 28, 2020 20:19:14 GMT
Hi all, your doing alright, good owners, and a good following, as someone has already said, try being a Fleet fan. We all knew that at some point it was likely it would all come tumbling down. Yes some of the younger element were gloating about the money we had from the doctor, but the older ones new the likely reality of this situation, and how it would end up. Some of you have been through it with your club, so you know what it is like. How this all ends up, I just don't know. You'll be fine , have a little faith.
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