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Post by mrplow on Sept 14, 2017 12:41:04 GMT
No coincidence the decision was taken after the Woking debacle when everyone bar the club officials knew it should have been segregated seems a bit extreme for the likes of visits from Guiseley and Boreham Wood Boreham wood have a history of hooliganism.
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Post by pwoodstone on Sept 14, 2017 13:11:58 GMT
One of the problems is when 200 or so fans wants to swap ends like Woking did last weekend.
It used to be that both ends were similar views / experiences and both sets of fans would be happy to swap ends. Now, the new stand is so much better that our fans would rather stay in it when we are defending that end, so 200 Woking fans had to integrate themselves into the stand that was pretty full. It was more marked when we played Barrow last season and caused a little bit of agro then as well.
As for the general segregation issue. I think it is more a beer problem that a football problem. Also the excitement that the younger fans feel when getting into a scrape with away fans knowing they have the back up of 1,000 fans behind them.
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Post by bendubz on Sept 14, 2017 13:13:21 GMT
Wise move, better to be safe than sorry. In regards to where the away fans are segregated to I feel the seating requirement limits where it can be. If seats weren't a problem then I'd suggest by the new turnstiles. They get the main pie hut and burger place, plus the outside drinking area and 2/3 of the TE (cordon off the rest). We get full access to the EE, main standers get easy access to toilets/exits etc, we keep the spitfire and gift shop. Really all anyone would lose is we'd lose the sweet shop until the EE renovations are complete. Then when we eventually replace the TE we can return to the current situation during the build and give them most of the EE post build.
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Post by pwoodstone on Sept 14, 2017 13:21:45 GMT
Can't they just assume that anyone who needs to sit down is going to be a fairly safe away fan? Surely we can give away some seats and not have to segregate them?
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Post by senna34165 on Sept 14, 2017 13:32:36 GMT
One of the problems is when 200 or so fans wants to swap ends like Woking did last weekend. It used to be that both ends were similar views / experiences and both sets of fans would be happy to swap ends. Now, the new stand is so much better that our fans would rather stay in it when we are defending that end, so 200 Woking fans had to integrate themselves into the stand that was pretty full. It was more marked when we played Barrow last season and caused a little bit of agro then as well. As for the general segregation issue. I think it is more a beer problem that a football problem. Also the excitement that the younger fans feel when getting into a scrape with away fans knowing they have the back up of 1,000 fans behind them. They don't have the back up of 1000 fans or so; some got a little Leary at Eastleigh this week and were about to get told to calm it.
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Post by jakeyboi on Sept 14, 2017 16:26:40 GMT
How about having a special shitgibbon enclosure outside the ground We already have that it,s called "The Main Stand"
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Sept 14, 2017 16:38:26 GMT
So what about when a dozen Boreham wood fans are given a third of the elvis end??
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Post by toonarmy on Sept 14, 2017 17:02:20 GMT
So what about when a dozen Boreham wood fans are given a third of the elvis end?? They will have plenty of space to wander around
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Post by moley on Sept 14, 2017 17:16:47 GMT
So we are all to be dictated to by a handful of idiots
I am very disappointed
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Post by stewystone on Sept 14, 2017 17:17:13 GMT
Inevitable, I suppose, but very, very sad. The end of the non-league era. I'd like to have seen more effort and imagination put into finding ways of continuing non-segregation instead, rather than just taking the 'easy' way out. Most visiting supporters don't give us any trouble, and of those few clubs who do, the trouble makers are a tiny minority, who could easily be dealt with. Instead of showing the rest of football how it could be done, how it can be different, we've just given in and accepted that visiting fans are trouble. We are now 'them and us' - that is not football supporting as we have always known it. On a more practical note - now that this has happened and games will be forever segregated, the club needs to give serious thought to how this is to be managed. The current arrangements were a stop-gap and not at all satisfactory. Our biggest asset, the Elvis End stand, will now always be unavailable to us in full, the away supporters who can't fit in their EE allocation will continue to get a crap experience, stuck in that corner, and the main standers will continue to be cut off from their nearest exits and half-time food and drink. If you were planning the stadium from the start with segregation in mind, this is not how you would do it. Until such time as the TE is replaced by a new stand, it should clearly be the away end - a much better experience for the away support, more safely and easily segregated (with no loss of terrace/seats,)the full EE available for the Ultra Bouncers, and a much better arrangement/experience for the main standers. This is all well and good saying this but you haven't thought about what will happen after the games. It will mean home & away fans mixing as they are let out of the stadium which, if there has been provocation during the game, will then spill out into the car park and surrounding areas. This could result in children being caught up in any fracas and the potential to damage cars.
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Sept 14, 2017 17:29:58 GMT
Such a shame because of a few mindless idiots we will now lose a third of our wonderful stand every game. Even when the away following is very small, our supporters will be denied the view from the best part of our ground.
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Post by wolf on Sept 14, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
Great decision! Unlike most sports football attracts hooligans, foul mouthed inappropriate language and chanting and people that cannot have a drink wihout becoming aggresive. Many seem to accept this as the norm and feel that as it is only a small minority that create violence on the terraces we should not allow segregation. It is this acceptance of poor behaviour that allows it to continue, I had made the decision not visit the ground anymore rather than risk getting mixed up in any aggro but now I can reverse that decision, thank goodness for common sense.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Sept 14, 2017 18:48:37 GMT
Inevitable, I suppose, but very, very sad. The end of the non-league era. I'd like to have seen more effort and imagination put into finding ways of continuing non-segregation instead, rather than just taking the 'easy' way out. Most visiting supporters don't give us any trouble, and of those few clubs who do, the trouble makers are a tiny minority, who could easily be dealt with. Instead of showing the rest of football how it could be done, how it can be different, we've just given in and accepted that visiting fans are trouble. We are now 'them and us' - that is not football supporting as we have always known it. On a more practical note - now that this has happened and games will be forever segregated, the club needs to give serious thought to how this is to be managed. The current arrangements were a stop-gap and not at all satisfactory. Our biggest asset, the Elvis End stand, will now always be unavailable to us in full, the away supporters who can't fit in their EE allocation will continue to get a crap experience, stuck in that corner, and the main standers will continue to be cut off from their nearest exits and half-time food and drink. If you were planning the stadium from the start with segregation in mind, this is not how you would do it. Until such time as the TE is replaced by a new stand, it should clearly be the away end - a much better experience for the away support, more safely and easily segregated (with no loss of terrace/seats,)the full EE available for the Ultra Bouncers, and a much better arrangement/experience for the main standers. Said by whom doesn't attend many games.
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Post by jdl on Sept 14, 2017 21:25:57 GMT
Inevitable, I suppose, but very, very sad. The end of the non-league era. I'd like to have seen more effort and imagination put into finding ways of continuing non-segregation instead, rather than just taking the 'easy' way out. Most visiting supporters don't give us any trouble, and of those few clubs who do, the trouble makers are a tiny minority, who could easily be dealt with. Instead of showing the rest of football how it could be done, how it can be different, we've just given in and accepted that visiting fans are trouble. We are now 'them and us' - that is not football supporting as we have always known it. On a more practical note - now that this has happened and games will be forever segregated, the club needs to give serious thought to how this is to be managed. The current arrangements were a stop-gap and not at all satisfactory. Our biggest asset, the Elvis End stand, will now always be unavailable to us in full, the away supporters who can't fit in their EE allocation will continue to get a crap experience, stuck in that corner, and the main standers will continue to be cut off from their nearest exits and half-time food and drink. If you were planning the stadium from the start with segregation in mind, this is not how you would do it. Until such time as the TE is replaced by a new stand, it should clearly be the away end - a much better experience for the away support, more safely and easily segregated (with no loss of terrace/seats,)the full EE available for the Ultra Bouncers, and a much better arrangement/experience for the main standers. Said by whom doesn't attend many games. How on earth do you know how many games I attend? I go to every home game I can and every away game I can afford and am able to make. I am also a ST holder, so the club gets my money even when I can't attend home games. But don't let the facts get in the way of your constant unwarranted attacks on my posts. If that's what rocks your boat, carry on. But at least sort your English out.
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Post by Bernie on Sept 15, 2017 2:42:42 GMT
The worry is Grange Hill will be emboldened by a permanent physical barrier to ever more verbal provocation of away fans in the name of 'banter'. The problem will come when someone is waiting outside, with no stewards to protect them from what they provoked.
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