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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 9:53:51 GMT
If we want to get to the football league we need to run the club a bit more professionally and this along with going full time etc is the best way. Some of our fans especially on here have got their head in the sand thinking all away supporters are friendly and that they should be given preferential treatment. Yes 99% can be fine but there's always the risk of the 1% who ruin it. But that's how it is. We aren't playing in the ryman and kent league anymore. This league and the ones above contain real football clubs and fans. No matter if they are Guiseley or whatever it takes one idiot to ruin it. We still have decent space when the game is segregated anyway. All games are segregated in this league basically so whats the problem? I'm glad you associate Ryman and County League days supporters with not being idiots. But apparently also not 'real fans' (whatever one of those is. Judging by the accounts of their behaviour described on this forum, I'm glad I'm not one).
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Post by tim on Sept 16, 2017 10:00:20 GMT
Apart from that I do remember getting involved in a lot of problems at Tonbridge when one of our more experienced crew defied the stewards and caused a massive argument about which toilet to use. Ok guilty as charged, however that incident wasn't me having a go at the Tonbridge lot, it was an arguement with a hired thug calling himself a steward in fact I got a lot of support from the Tonbridge fans for standing up to him, and a written apology from both chairman of Stones and Tonbridge i was even offered to be his guest at Tonbridge next game! This was obviously as useful as a chocolate teapot for a stones fan so I politely refused anyway thanks for dragging that up from about 10 years ago!
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Post by senna34165 on Sept 16, 2017 10:00:43 GMT
Read my posts on the topic again very carefully please. I have no issue on noise and atmosphere in fact I encourage it. Believe it or not I have been criticised myself for it, as being away from the main nucleous of noise the stewards seem to take offence to it. Also, I have not defined those at fault for abusive behaviour as of any particular age sex colour creed. I don't care who you are, cheer your team; let the opposition players know about it when they cheat and fein injury, let the officials know about it when they are having a mare of a game. But do it in accordance with the ground rules and that my friend particularly at home with our numbers creates an atmosphere to bout the team on. Anyone who slates their own players should be hung drawn and quartered on week street in. My opinion. Any those that don't like atmosphere, noise, either put ear plugs in or wait for the high lights I've long ago given up trying to get anything going in the main stand. To be honest it can be a bit cringe worthy at times, clapping along to the chants like a bunch of old men at a brass band concert. Why not actually join in with the singing as well and get that atmosphere going around the whole ground. Agree DaveU Then you get the miserable ones who have the tenacity to then moan about the noise on the odd occasion there is some
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Post by iamthenewno2 on Sept 16, 2017 14:12:54 GMT
Read my posts on the topic again very carefully please. I have no issue on noise and atmosphere in fact I encourage it. Believe it or not I have been criticised myself for it, as being away from the main nucleous of noise the stewards seem to take offence to it. Also, I have not defined those at fault for abusive behaviour as of any particular age sex colour creed. I don't care who you are, cheer your team; let the opposition players know about it when they cheat and fein injury, let the officials know about it when they are having a mare of a game. But do it in accordance with the ground rules and that my friend particularly at home with our numbers creates an atmosphere to bout the team on. Anyone who slates their own players should be hung drawn and quartered on week street in. My opinion. Any those that don't like atmosphere, noise, either put ear plugs in or wait for the high lights I've long ago given up trying to get anything going in the main stand. To be honest it can be a bit cringe worthy at times, clapping along to the chants like a bunch of old men at a brass band concert. Why not actually join in with the singing as well and get that atmosphere going around the whole ground. Seating just doesn't lend itself to chants with people who would sing separated by those who don't want to, the clapping is an improvement on a couple of seasons ago when the only sound was polite clapping for a good pass. The problem is that if you join in with a chant, and there are at least two areas in the main stand where a brave soul tries to start something off each game, it dies off leaving you hanging.
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Post by stewystone on Sept 16, 2017 16:21:15 GMT
was a great performance and well deserving of the chat thread that Senna has set up but this thread is about the segregation.
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Post by Bernie on Sept 16, 2017 16:28:53 GMT
I hope there is a serious plan hidden in the club safe about how to cope in the unlikely event of promotion.
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Post by senna34165 on Sept 16, 2017 16:35:06 GMT
I hope there is a serious plan hidden in the club safe about how to cope in the unlikely event of promotion. Yes, grass seed?
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Post by jakeyboi on Sept 16, 2017 16:37:41 GMT
Just had a bite to eat an now about to start the drive home, it was a corker of a game, played really good football, and never ever looked like being anything but a win from the first whistle. Really pleased to see Finney back on the pitch.
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Post by daveu on Sept 16, 2017 16:44:39 GMT
I hope there is a serious plan hidden in the club safe about how to cope in the unlikely event of promotion. With 3 3G pitches in the playoff positions the VNL and the EFL might actually have to stop dodging the issue. I doubt any of the clubs would be prepared to rip up the pitch so at the very least, if the VNL doesn't change their unfair rule about a double relegation they will end up facing legal action.
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Post by nws on Sept 16, 2017 23:20:33 GMT
Ok guilty as charged, however that incident wasn't me having a go at the Tonbridge lot, it was an arguement with a hired thug calling himself a steward in fact I got a lot of support from the Tonbridge fans for standing up to him, and a written apology from both chairman of Stones and Tonbridge i was even offered to be his guest at Tonbridge next game! This was obviously as useful as a chocolate teapot for a stones fan so I politely refused anyway thanks for dragging that up from about 10 years ago! Always happy to score a cheap point, Tim Just to make clear, as you seem to insinuate otherwise, I did say the incident was in regards to the steward. Do remember that I was the one standing arguing with a policeman at the end about why they had not done anything about the attempted assault on you.
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Post by Bernie on Oct 25, 2022 5:35:42 GMT
Put barriers between the toilets and sweet shop, and in the Town End towards the Spitfire Lounge. If necessary, also give visiting fans the Riverside towards the halfway line. Just want to be the first to say “I told you so” before tonight. Could have accommodated all home and away fans with ease.
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Post by jdl on Oct 25, 2022 12:45:33 GMT
Put barriers between the toilets and sweet shop, and in the Town End towards the Spitfire Lounge. If necessary, also give visiting fans the Riverside towards the halfway line. Just want to be the first to say “I told you so” before tonight. Could have accommodated all home and away fans with ease. I've been banging on about this for years, but the club (ie Oliver) doesn't like the idea. I assume for good reasons, but I suspect it's mainly cost. It would cost a bit, of course, as barriers would have to be installed, and some facilities moved or improved elsewhere in the ground, but it would be nothing like the cost of something like a new stand, and it has the huge benefit of giving us the whole Genco 'kop' and solving the separation of fans issue at a stroke (plus you can't hear fans in the TE from elsewhere in the ground!) There would still be issues (and perhaps further costs), of course - mainly separating fans outside the ground. But these could be got round. For instance you could reduce the potential problem of fans mixing outside by restricting the current main entrance to ST holders only (fewer of them and less likely to cause trouble), and make the current EE turnstiles the main ones for home fans. But I've no real idea of the costs or other difficulties involved, so have to give Oliver the benefit of the doubt over this. One thing, though - he's mentioned in the past that one of the reasons he's against this idea is because it doesn't fit in with the club's future plans for the TE. But I honestly can't see the TE being redeveloped in even the distant future, so I don't think that's germane. And it wouldn't affect the building of the riverside stand, as that could easily be segregated and would provide seats for the away fans (and extra revenue). The only thing that's holding up the building of the RS stand at the moment is that we're so shit, only the diehard few want to pay good money to watch us!
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Post by holysmokes66 on Oct 25, 2022 13:05:50 GMT
Just want to be the first to say “I told you so” before tonight. Could have accommodated all home and away fans with ease. I've been banging on about this for years, but the club (ie Oliver) doesn't like the idea. I assume for good reasons, but I suspect it's mainly cost. It would cost a bit, of course, as barriers would have to be installed, and some facilities moved or improved elsewhere in the ground, but it would be nothing like the cost of something like a new stand, and it has the huge benefit of giving us the whole Genco 'kop' and solving the separation of fans issue at a stroke (plus you can't hear fans in the TE from elsewhere in the ground!) There would still be issues (and perhaps further costs), of course - mainly separating fans outside the ground. But these could be got round. For instance you could reduce the potential problem of fans mixing outside by restricting the current main entrance to ST holders only (fewer of them and less likely to cause trouble), and make the current EE turnstiles the main ones for home fans. But I've no real idea of the costs or other difficulties involved, so have to give Oliver the benefit of the doubt over this. One thing, though - he's mentioned in the past that one of the reasons he's against this idea is because it doesn't fit in with the club's future plans for the TE. But I honestly can't see the TE being redeveloped in even the distant future, so I don't think that's germane. And it wouldn't affect the building of the riverside stand, as that could easily be segregated and would provide seats for the away fans (and extra revenue). The only thing that's holding up the building of the RS stand at the moment is that we're so shit, only the diehard few want to pay good money to watch us! All great points. Unfortunately, I think it's going to take an incident in the Genco for something to change. The coin throwing vs Dartford where someone got hit should probably have been the wake up call for something to change, but at some point this season I think something similar will happen again, or a flare / smoke bomb will cause issues, someone will try and cross the divide, etc.
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Post by yorkshirestone on Oct 25, 2022 15:57:19 GMT
Seems kind of weird that some games at Elland Road - whilst clearly segregated - still have home and away supporters in the same end of a 90 year old stand and with the exception of the troglodytes from Old Trafford, Cardiff and Millwall, away fans mingle freely with home fans outside the ground, but a much smaller crowd in and around a purpose built ground seems to present more challenges in terms of crowd safety. No criticism intended, just seems weird.
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Post by Bernie on Oct 25, 2022 21:22:30 GMT
You could see the gaps in every stand. After you subtract away fans and season ticket holders, maybe 1000 went to the hassle of buying a ticket. For one of the biggest games this season when we should have been building an intimidating home crowd to get behind the team. Just feels very amateurish and lower non league.
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