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Post by deadly on Oct 11, 2020 21:29:23 GMT
Objectivity and fairness ?
Perhaps I should add civility.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 11, 2020 21:52:05 GMT
Objectivity and fairness ? Perhaps I should add civility. I have nothing but contempt for Tonbridge Angels ,in the past, the present and the future. I will never forget the way they treated our supporters some years ago, they dont deserve my objectivity,they do not deserve my fairness and they certainly will not get any civility from me. End of story
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Post by jdl on Oct 11, 2020 22:38:52 GMT
Objectivity and fairness ? Perhaps I should add civility. You clearly don't know Sword!
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Post by daveu on Oct 12, 2020 7:52:51 GMT
The game has moved on from those far distant days when daveu and swordy last competed seriously on the football stage. When a striker dives in, misses the ball and wipes out the keeper, it is a foul simple enough. Shocking decision by the ref who deserves to be suspended after that performance. Cannot help but think objectivity and fairness gets ditched when the subject of Angels gets mentioned. Rubbish. The ref's perfectly within his rights to wave play on, and even if he wasn't every player knows you play to the whistle. Keeper's fault entirely...end of.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 12, 2020 8:01:50 GMT
The game has moved on from those far distant days when daveu and swordy last competed seriously on the football stage. When a striker dives in, misses the ball and wipes out the keeper, it is a foul simple enough. Shocking decision by the ref who deserves to be suspended after that performance. Cannot help but think objectivity and fairness gets ditched when the subject of Angels gets mentioned. Rubbish. The ref's perfectly within his rights to wave play on, and even if he wasn't every player knows you play to the whistle. Keeper's fault entirely...end of. Totally agree once again Dave U and deadly seems like someone who watches too much Champions league football where nobody tackles and keepers are vastly over protected.
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Post by jdh80 on Oct 12, 2020 10:56:41 GMT
Watching the highlight clip repeatedly you have to wonder what the hell the Tonbridge goalie is doing.
His team are 0-1 and he seems to be time wasting delaying picking the ball up and inviting the challenge, pick it up early get it down field for your teammates to attack.
His actions during that whole clip just make no sense.
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Post by jdh80 on Oct 12, 2020 11:06:08 GMT
The game has moved on from those far distant days when daveu and swordy last competed seriously on the football stage. When a striker dives in, misses the ball and wipes out the keeper, it is a foul simple enough. Shocking decision by the ref who deserves to be suspended after that performance. Cannot help but think objectivity and fairness gets ditched when the subject of Angels gets mentioned. Rubbish. The ref's perfectly within his rights to wave play on, and even if he wasn't every player knows you play to the whistle. Keeper's fault entirely...end of. Correct the ball is in the keepers hands and whilst yes it was a foul the ref is well within his rights to wave play on, if the keeper in the process of being fouled lost the ball and the striker bangs the loose ball in the yes whistle for a free kick. The keeper as he's holding the ball can walk to the edge of his area and pump it downfield which would go a greater distance than if the ball had been placed on the ground for a free kick so the keeper does in fact have an advantage keeping hold of the ball, he just has another brain fart, similar to where i highlighted above that he seemed to be time wasting when his team were losing.
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Post by daveu on Oct 12, 2020 11:33:31 GMT
Rubbish. The ref's perfectly within his rights to wave play on, and even if he wasn't every player knows you play to the whistle. Keeper's fault entirely...end of. Correct the ball is in the keepers hands and whilst yes it was a foul the ref is well within his rights to wave play on, if the keeper in the process of being fouled lost the ball and the striker bangs the loose ball in the yes whistle for a free kick. The keeper as he's holding the ball can walk to the edge of his area and pump it downfield which would go a greater distance than if the ball had been placed on the ground for a free kick so the keeper does in fact have an advantage keeping hold of the ball, he just has another brain fart, similar to where i highlighted above that he seemed to be time wasting when his team were losing. Indeed, in my years as a keeper I always preferred kicking the ball from my hands as I could get greater distance. Add to that the fact that the free kick would have been only a few yards in from the goal line, so the ref did the right thing in playing the advantage, and if he felt the need, could have issued a yellow card at the next break in play. As a former referee and goalkeeper I can see both sides of this incident and the ref did nothing wrong.
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Post by hongkongstone on Oct 13, 2020 1:52:10 GMT
If the keeper had his wits about him he should have just immediately thrown it from hand to an attacking player which would most likely have caught the opposition cold. A keeper can throw a ball over half the length of the pitch and it is far more accurate than a kick from hand.
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Post by Benny on Oct 13, 2020 5:47:22 GMT
If it was a free kick, the keeper was trying to gain a few extra yards by throwing the ball forward, far from where the incident occurred.
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Post by Stonethecrow on Oct 13, 2020 7:06:00 GMT
Correct barney. Some of these one eyed posts just show how football supporters lose all rationale sense when judging incidents affecting other clubs. Understandably the Mangles will not feature highly on a list of clubs beloved by Stones supporters but not to recognise such a bad foul on their keeper is doing a real Nelson. So typical that somebody even has to boast of their past exploits (probably in the last century) of standing between the posts for some pub team, as if it gives credence to an expert opinion in 2021. Says it all really !
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Post by 61666 on Oct 13, 2020 7:41:47 GMT
Bad foul. If the ref was playing advantage, then presumably he had the discretion to disallow the goal and award a free kick instead? The ref certainly got it wrong, but the keeper was more than a little naive, because with no whistle, play just carries on. Tonbridge were a goal down and chasing the game, so if the keeper was trying to get a quick restart, he made a hash of it.
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Post by jdl on Oct 13, 2020 9:06:01 GMT
Correct barney. Some of these one eyed posts just show how football supporters lose all rationale sense when judging incidents affecting other clubs. Understandably the Mangles will not feature highly on a list of clubs beloved by Stones supporters but not to recognise such a bad foul on their keeper is doing a real Nelson. So typical that somebody even has to boast of their past exploits (probably in the last century) of standing between the posts for some pub team, as if it gives credence to an expert opinion in 2021. Says it all really ! At least Dave knows which year it is...
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Post by Dan on Oct 13, 2020 10:24:00 GMT
Oh God, another member of the daveu fan club ! They seem to be everywhere.
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Post by daveu on Oct 13, 2020 11:59:15 GMT
Correct barney. Some of these one eyed posts just show how football supporters lose all rationale sense when judging incidents affecting other clubs. Understandably the Mangles will not feature highly on a list of clubs beloved by Stones supporters but not to recognise such a bad foul on their keeper is doing a real Nelson. So typical that somebody even has to boast of their past exploits (probably in the last century) of standing between the posts for some pub team, as if it gives credence to an expert opinion in 2021. Says it all really ! Actually I played in the Maidstone League Premier Division which was only one level below where the stones restarted in 93 and was probably as good if not a better standard. I was also a qualified referee so I probably know as much as, if not more than, you about it. However, whether the ref got it right or wrong, the keeper should still play to the whistle.
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