|
Post by grindstone on Nov 11, 2013 14:26:55 GMT
As I’ve obviously got as little to do in my lunch break as Tim, I’ll make a serious post of my own. What we saw on Saturday (and every match, by the sound of the poster above) was a classic psychological demonstration of how crowds see stuff that just didn’t happen. The retina doesn’t record faithfully like a camera. It just sends a stream of ‘digital’ information for the rest of the brain to make sense of. Because there’s so much of it, the brain has to use labour-saving templates, which have evolved not to make us impeccable witnesses but to improve our chances of survival. Two important ones are self-interest (what do I need to be true?) and kinship (what’s good for the tribe I belong to?) Their consequence is that all perception is subject to bias. And that’s why both sets of fans tend to think the ref is set against them. If it’s true that only 4-5 Stones fans spotted the pen (which I doubt), I expect you’d find that they are all conscious of this inbuilt bias and actively try to compensate for it. It means they probably spend less time taking bad bets, hurling slanderous obscenities, and running the risk of looking a bit silly. (I said ‘less’, Tim, not ‘no’ – we’re all human!) Anyone who shares mellow’s passion for the library can learn more by going there to look up ‘Perception’ before the next home game – or, maybe, during it.
|
|
|
Post by soulstone on Nov 11, 2013 19:06:47 GMT
Just caught a look at the highlights an was it was a shock to me that the ref got the penalty right.However we got a lot more chances than they got in the game an thought the score was about right.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 19:14:49 GMT
If it’s true that only 4-5 Stones fans spotted the pen (which I doubt), I expect you’d find that they are all conscious of this inbuilt bias and actively try to compensate for it. It means they probably spend less time taking bad bets, hurling slanderous obscenities, and running the risk of looking a bit silly. (I said ‘less’, Tim, not ‘no’ – we’re all human!) Anyone who shares mellow’s passion for the library can learn more by going there to look up ‘Perception’ before the next home game – or, maybe, during it. Ah the classic forum retort of my intellect is superior to yours. I bow to your vision sir and unclouded enlightened view. Being but a mere mortal i will endeavour to work hard and reach your lofty heights however i believe your greatness i will never reach. The highlights do appear to show a clear penalty so i will try to release my own clouded and coloured vision from the bounds of bias again hoping i never make a mistake in the future. Amen
|
|
|
Post by daveu on Nov 11, 2013 20:55:59 GMT
Only just seen the highlights and it was a surprise that the pen was right. However the ref has no obligation to stop the game to allow their goalie to put his boot back on, and should have instructed him to put the ball out of play and then booked him for time wasting.
|
|
|
Post by grindstone on Nov 11, 2013 21:54:42 GMT
If it’s true that only 4-5 Stones fans spotted the pen (which I doubt), I expect you’d find that they are all conscious of this inbuilt bias and actively try to compensate for it. It means they probably spend less time taking bad bets, hurling slanderous obscenities, and running the risk of looking a bit silly. (I said ‘less’, Tim, not ‘no’ – we’re all human!) Anyone who shares mellow’s passion for the library can learn more by going there to look up ‘Perception’ before the next home game – or, maybe, during it. Ah the classic forum retort of my intellect is superior to yours. I bow to your vision sir and unclouded enlightened view. Being but a mere mortal i will endeavour to work hard and reach your lofty heights however i believe your greatness i will never reach. The highlights do appear to show a clear penalty so i will try to release my own clouded and coloured vision from the bounds of bias again hoping i never make a mistake in the future. Amen Oh dear – I’m sorry if I touched a nerve. That post was actually prompted not by yours but by the two comments about it being strange that so many Stones fans called the decision wrongly, and that all referees have got it in for us. But, since you don’t like what I said, let me tell you why I bothered to make my first post - the one you originally reacted to. I know a local man who knows football backwards (and used to know Bill in the old days), has stacks of media contacts, and has got a bob or two – just the kind we need to have taking a friendly interest in the club. For the first time, he agreed to come to a match at the GS, and we were invited to join friends in the VP lounge. It was going brilliantly until the penalty. When the howls of unjustified intimidatory abuse went up, you could see what he was thinking: “The wheels on your bus go round and round...” Maybe slandering the ref isn’t a hate crime yet, but it’s still a common-law tort that a person can be sued for; as well as which, every edition of the Stones programme specifically outlaws foul, abusive or offensive language, and particularly any aggression directed at match officials. The one I felt even worse about was the nice woman I spoke with before the game who was there representing one of the club sponsors; I wonder whether she left still feeling that we’re the kind of family organisation they ought to be associated with. Huge efforts go on behind the scenes to win over potential backers, and the least that fans who care about the club's future can do is avoid trampling on them. I’d be the last to argue with venting your spleen – it’s what Saturday afternoon is for! But anyone who can’t keep it clean and legal should perhaps do what I normally do, and indulge himself from behind the goal.
|
|
|
Post by hammerjay on Nov 11, 2013 22:35:42 GMT
Ah the classic forum retort of my intellect is superior to yours. I bow to your vision sir and unclouded enlightened view. Being but a mere mortal i will endeavour to work hard and reach your lofty heights however i believe your greatness i will never reach. The highlights do appear to show a clear penalty so i will try to release my own clouded and coloured vision from the bounds of bias again hoping i never make a mistake in the future. Amen Oh dear – I’m sorry if I touched a nerve. That post was actually prompted not by yours but by the two comments about it being strange that so many Stones fans called the decision wrongly, and that all referees have got it in for us. But, since you don’t like what I said, let me tell you why I bothered to make my first post - the one you originally reacted to. I know a local man who knows football backwards (and used to know Bill in the old days), has stacks of media contacts, and has got a bob or two – just the kind we need to have taking a friendly interest in the club. For the first time, he agreed to come to a match at the GS, and we were invited to join friends in the VP lounge. It was going brilliantly until the penalty. When the howls of unjustified intimidatory abuse went up, you could see what he was thinking: “The wheels on your bus go round and round...” Maybe slandering the ref isn’t a hate crime yet, but it’s still a common-law tort that a person can be sued for; as well as which, every edition of the Stones programme specifically outlaws foul, abusive or offensive language, and particularly any aggression directed at match officials. The one I felt even worse about was the nice woman I spoke with before the game who was there representing one of the club sponsors; I wonder whether she left still feeling that we’re the kind of family organisation they ought to be associated with. Huge efforts go on behind the scenes to win over potential backers, and the least that fans who care about the club's future can do is avoid trampling on them. I’d be the last to argue with venting your spleen – it’s what Saturday afternoon is for! But anyone who can’t keep it clean and legal should perhaps do what I normally do, and indulge himself from behind the goal. I think you may find foul and abusive language is a common thing in all football grounds now a days
|
|
|
Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 11, 2013 22:53:28 GMT
Oh dear – I’m sorry if I touched a nerve. That post was actually prompted not by yours but by the two comments about it being strange that so many Stones fans called the decision wrongly, and that all referees have got it in for us. But, since you don’t like what I said, let me tell you why I bothered to make my first post - the one you originally reacted to. I know a local man who knows football backwards (and used to know Bill in the old days), has stacks of media contacts, and has got a bob or two – just the kind we need to have taking a friendly interest in the club. For the first time, he agreed to come to a match at the GS, and we were invited to join friends in the VP lounge. It was going brilliantly until the penalty. When the howls of unjustified intimidatory abuse went up, you could see what he was thinking: “The wheels on your bus go round and round...” Maybe slandering the ref isn’t a hate crime yet, but it’s still a common-law tort that a person can be sued for; as well as which, every edition of the Stones programme specifically outlaws foul, abusive or offensive language, and particularly any aggression directed at match officials. The one I felt even worse about was the nice woman I spoke with before the game who was there representing one of the club sponsors; I wonder whether she left still feeling that we’re the kind of family organisation they ought to be associated with. Huge efforts go on behind the scenes to win over potential backers, and the least that fans who care about the club's future can do is avoid trampling on them. I’d be the last to argue with venting your spleen – it’s what Saturday afternoon is for! But anyone who can’t keep it clean and legal should perhaps do what I normally do, and indulge himself from behind the goal. I think you may find foul and abusive language is a common thing in all football grounds now a days Sorry Sir. The video evidence is inconclusive ( mainly due to the location of the camera). The only conclusive camera angle would be one down the line of the penalty area as evidenced at Wimbledon and other pro tennis matches.
|
|
|
Post by swiper on Nov 12, 2013 11:26:08 GMT
I think the ref is a very respectable Banker and did a great job after watching the footage.
Bankers get a lot of bad press but this particular match official he did ok - they make mistakes and they iron themselves out over the season ??
I often take my 9 yr old son and yes swearing is part and parcel of the life and the passion that goes with the game but abuse ? another thorny subject expect there will be Threads / opinions on both sides of the argument??
|
|
|
Post by Sennockian69 on Nov 12, 2013 18:10:56 GMT
I think the ref is a very respectable Banker and did a great job after watching the footage. Bankers get a lot of bad press but this particular match official he did ok - they make mistakes and they iron themselves out over the season ?? I often take my 9 yr old son and yes swearing is part and parcel of the life and the passion that goes with the game but abuse ? another thorny subject expect there will be Threads / opinions on both sides of the argument?? This prompts me to ask the question " Does a very respectable banker exist? " Some people like Mr Keiser say such such person is extremely rare. Sir , where can I meet such a person?
|
|
|
Post by nws on Nov 12, 2013 23:39:24 GMT
I think you may find foul and abusive language is a common thing in all football grounds now a days Sorry Sir. The video evidence is inconclusive ( mainly due to the location of the camera). The only conclusive camera angle would be one down the line of the penalty area as evidenced at Wimbledon and other pro tennis matches. As someone who knew it was a penalty before seeing the linesman put his flag across his chest, I will help you. Freeze the video at point of contact. If the Leiston player's leg does not obscure any of the penalty area markings then he was outside of the box. As a further help. His leg blocks a portion of the penalty area markings when you freeze the video
|
|