4th Qualifying Round

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I sit nearer the Genco end of the MS, and I thought it was over the line too. Although not by much, so, when the goal wasn't immediately called, I assumed the whole ball hadn't crossed the line.

But, as Dave says, the KM photo is pretty conclusive.

No surprise the keeper cocked it up, he made a few good saves, but generally he looked dodgy (unlike Andre, who was on fire!). In fact the whole team looked off their game. Definitely something terminal going on at Gravesend - reminded me horribly of our last season in the National.

It'll be interesting to see if all their money gets then out of it again, as it did last season.

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I find it strange that some supporters are relying on the KM photo to confirm the goal.
The keeper had dragged it forward nearly a foot when that photo was taken.
It was when the ball was 5 foot in the air that the ball was at least a foot over the line, not when it was at ground level.

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Oct 14, 2024 14:31:32 GMT @harry said:

I find it strange that some supporters are relying on the KM photo to confirm the goal.
The keeper had dragged it forward nearly a foot when that photo was taken.
It was when the ball was 5 foot in the air that the ball was at least a foot over the line, not when it was at ground level.

The first photo in the link I posted earlier show the moment the keeper catches the ball

www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-boss-insulted-by-fa-cup-display-314335/

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Steve Terrell has posted on X a series of photos from the game. There are a dozen or so of the first goal www.flickr.com/photos/143193422@N06/albums/72177720321143347/
I hope this link works, if not go to the club's X account to get a link from there.

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Oct 14, 2024 15:14:24 GMT 7oaks said:

Steve Terrell has posted on X a series of photos from the game. There are a dozen or so of the first goal www.flickr.com/photos/143193422@N06/albums/72177720321143347/
I hope this link works, if not go to the club's X account to get a link from there.

That's pretty much what I saw - he catches it well inside the goal, then makes a big show of pushing it forward, so that it looks like it didn't go over the line. He was pretty much on his line when he caught it, but his back is arched back about as far as he can go without falling over.

Impressed with these new glasses of mine!

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One thing you notice in those photos is just how many players want to cuddle Blair - and not all of them are playing in amber...

Quite sweet how attached they are to him!

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Just watched the highlights again, their player standing in the right back position, who has the best view of the first goal, is about the only player who doesn't argue the decision, probably the biggest give away that it was clearly over the line.

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The link to Steve’s X photos works. My question is - why doesn’t he edit the selection to remove the several repeats?

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That very nice linesman was in an excellent position to give the goal, but not many in the crowd, or indeed watching the highlights could honestly say so, because (with the ball being in the air), there are no reference points.
Anyway, good decision and even if it wasn't, the goal stood, which was all that mattered. Likewise the non- penalty. Just nice have have a couple of these decisions go our way for a change!

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Oct 15, 2024 7:25:58 GMT @61666 said:

That very nice linesman was in an excellent position to give the goal, but not many in the crowd, or indeed watching the highlights could honestly say so, because (with the ball being in the air), there are no reference points.
Anyway, good decision and even if it wasn't, the goal stood, which was all that mattered. Likewise the non- penalty. Just nice have have a couple of these decisions go our way for a change!

Absolutely right. I don’t want to start an argument but those people who a claiming you could tell from the highlights are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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Oct 15, 2024 7:56:32 GMT daveu said:

Oct 15, 2024 7:25:58 GMT @61666 said:

That very nice linesman was in an excellent position to give the goal, but not many in the crowd, or indeed watching the highlights could honestly say so, because (with the ball being in the air), there are no reference points.
Anyway, good decision and even if it wasn't, the goal stood, which was all that mattered. Likewise the non- penalty. Just nice have have a couple of these decisions go our way for a change!

Absolutely right. I don’t want to start an argument but those people who a claiming you could tell from the highlights are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Well you have started an argument DaveU. Looking at the reactions of the defender in the right back position , the keeper in the 5 seconds of the said incident , the observations of the linesman who awarded the goal and the any reasonable viewer of the highlights one can tell that the ball crossed the line. Argumentative and unreasonable people will view the awarding of the goal differently.

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Oct 15, 2024 8:38:37 GMT sennockian69 said:

Oct 15, 2024 7:56:32 GMT daveu said:

Absolutely right. I don’t want to start an argument but those people who a claiming you could tell from the highlights are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Well you have started an argument DaveU. Looking at the reactions of the defender in the right back position , the keeper in the 5 seconds of the said incident , the observations of the linesman who awarded the goal and the any reasonable viewer of the highlights one can tell that the ball crossed the line. Argumentative and unreasonable people will view the awarding of the goal differently.

Absolutely not. Anyone who claims they can tell definitively from the highlights is simply seeing what they want to see from a biased viewpoint. Everything you’ve quoted is purely circumstantial. If you’re claiming you can tell the position of the ball then you’re lying.

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Oct 15, 2024 7:25:58 GMT @61666 said:

That very nice linesman was in an excellent position to give the goal, but not many in the crowd, or indeed watching the highlights could honestly say so, because (with the ball being in the air), there are no reference points.
Anyway, good decision and even if it wasn't, the goal stood, which was all that mattered. Likewise the non- penalty. Just nice have have a couple of these decisions go our way for a change!

Normally, I'd agree about no reference points, but in this case we do have one - the goalie was pretty clearly on (or just above) the goal line and was leaning back a long way, with his arms stretched out in the same direction. So his hands were clearly well behind the line.

The ball had definitely crossed the line before he got to it, the only doubt was how far over the line it was.

Also, if you check out the Twitter photos, Blair, who had the best view in the ground, clearly believes it's a goal.

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Oct 14, 2024 21:11:53 GMT headstone said:

The link to Steve’s X photos works. My question is - why doesn’t he edit the selection to remove the several repeats?

I think he was trying to show the sequence immediately leading up to the goal, so we get the best chance to judge where the ball was. With the fast shutter speeds of modern cameras, you .

Eh??

Must have pressed 'post' without realising it!

Anyway, what I was going on to say is that, with modern shutter speeds (if there's a shutter at all?) photographs are more like stop motion films. The photographer basically presses the button as soon as something interesting starts to happen, and holds it down until it's over - generating hundreds of shots. They then pick the one or two (often none) that look worth bothering with - you'll be lucky if you ever see more than one or two of these. What Steve is doing here is giving us the thing you never normally see - the burst of shots leading up to the goal.

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Oct 15, 2024 9:45:06 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Oct 14, 2024 21:11:53 GMT headstone said:

The link to Steve’s X photos works. My question is - why doesn’t he edit the selection to remove the several repeats?

I think he was trying to show the sequence immediately leading up to the goal, so we get the best chance to judge where the ball was. with the fast shutter speeds of modern cameras, you .

Quite honestly how anyone can tell for sure that it was over the line are wrong. My personal view is, I think it's over the line, and I say I think it's over the line. Most keepers do the action of holding the ball out when trying to save the ball going out for a corner, very rarely do the linesmen give a corner I've noticed. Anyway none of it matters, a goal was given and nothing changes that, you won the game. We had one a few weeks ago when the ball crossed the line by a good foot, I was sat right behind the goal and could actually see the goal line with the ball past it, the lineman ruled no goal, but that's life. You win some, you lose some. Good luck in the next round.