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Post by daveu on Jan 2, 2019 9:28:06 GMT
Not sure I agree with all the doom and gloom. To put this in perspective, it was Dover. The last time we beat them in the league was our first season in Ryman South back in 2006. The only time since then was when they put out their academy team in the KSC this season. They are one of our bogey teams and probably always will be so I'm not reading too much into Tuesday's result.
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Post by jdl on Jan 2, 2019 9:45:19 GMT
Just before his injury, Blair Turgott had started to pass the ball more near the opposition goal. Get him back doing that and we have a chance. The way he pushed his body and legs to their physical limit to get past one more player reminds me of Flisher, and may be his long term downfall. Apparently not expected back until March, and will probably take a few games to get match fit, etc. We need to work on the basis that our top (only!) regular scorer is effectively not available this season.
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Post by jdl on Jan 2, 2019 9:53:57 GMT
Not sure I agree with all the doom and gloom. To put this in perspective, it was Dover. The last time we beat them in the league was our first season in Ryman South back in 2006. The only time since then was when they put out their academy team in the KSC this season. They are one of our bogey teams and probably always will be so I'm not reading too much into Tuesday's result. Derby jinxes are fine for supporters' superstitions, but they are no way to judge a team's performance - how many of that side had played for us against Dover before Christmas? Not reading too much into the result is OK, but what about the performance? You sat in the same stand as me and watched the same game, and both of us saw a side that struggled in the second half against a mediocre team, never really looked like scoring, and had no real choices on the bench. We have 19 games left, and need around 28 points to survive - did that side look like being able to get 1.5 points a game on average?
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Post by bear5 on Jan 2, 2019 10:07:08 GMT
First half I thought it was quite evenly matched, with some nice football being played by us. Second half however, it was a question of when Dover were going to score. The fact they could bring on Allen and Modeste made the difference ultimately and one goal was always going to be enough.
It's presently difficult to see what changes could be made to improve the side, although I think Walton has got to play in front of the back four, or part of a back five. Even then, with Cassidy and Shields gone, scoring goals looks even less likely than before.
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Post by porkystone on Jan 2, 2019 10:13:13 GMT
First half I thought it was quite evenly matched, with some nice football being played by us. Second half however, it was a question of when Dover were going to score. The fact they could bring on Allen and Modeste made the difference ultimately and one goal was always going to be enough. The key for both holiday games v Dover was that Hess was able to make half time changes in both which revitalised Dover in the second half. We couldn't live with those adjustments. Is that form / ability / fitness / nouse on the bench ? Don't ask me, I'm not the manager
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 2, 2019 10:38:20 GMT
The 1.5 point a game to stay up stat is scary, as we still have a team learning to work together, and still needing 3-4 new (or old, returning?) faces, including scoring strikers, as the second half proved. Also Bill needs to advise Simon and Tristan that whilst restoring the passion and belief in the team is undoubtedly the key first step, we also need tactical nouse on how to put the ball in the net. I'm with giving Lozar a go, but it really needs Turgott back and a couple of others to improve the attack, and Simon needs to pick himself at the back to give WDH that elder statesman partner he needs. The January games and next few player dealings are crucial. Tough call, but please remember it was Wheeler Dealer who stripped the club of players and heart, and the current Management Team are trying to restore it, and another new Manager on a White Charger at this stage is unlikley to do better.........leave that decision for the end of the season.
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 2, 2019 12:43:36 GMT
Not sure I agree with all the doom and gloom. To put this in perspective, it was Dover. The last time we beat them in the league was our first season in Ryman South back in 2006. The only time since then was when they put out their academy team in the KSC this season. They are one of our bogey teams and probably always will be so I'm not reading too much into Tuesday's result. Glad to see you found your rose tinted specs after the New Year Party Dave.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 2, 2019 13:30:58 GMT
Not rose coloured specs, just echoing SW with a positivity which the team - although far from perfect - can feed on to try to turn things around. Once the HW mercenaries like Swaine, Wassmer, possibly Wishart (juries out) and (Hopefully) Robinson (not up to NL) have all long gone we have to bed down with good Stones-like players the fans are warm to like WDH, George Mac, Micky Phillips, Pax, and Blair when he's fit and also get the best out of Muldoon, Powell, Walton, Romain, Tashbash and others who can be good on their day, with a new striker, a new midfielder and maybe Lozar back, and the dream of survival could be on. Keep the faith!
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Post by daveu on Jan 2, 2019 13:58:05 GMT
Not sure I agree with all the doom and gloom. To put this in perspective, it was Dover. The last time we beat them in the league was our first season in Ryman South back in 2006. The only time since then was when they put out their academy team in the KSC this season. They are one of our bogey teams and probably always will be so I'm not reading too much into Tuesday's result. Glad to see you found your rose tinted specs after the New Year Party Dave. Not really rose tinted (or even amber tinted). I never really expected anything from this game. Would have been nice to have got at least a point but with so few attacking options it was always going to be a struggle. I will always try to take something from each game but before Boreham Wood there really wasn't anything to get hold of. I didn't go to that one so can't comment but yesterday apart from the lack of killer instinct we were actually pretty good especially first half. I don't know whether the board will give Lewis and Walton a few weeks or whether they want to get a new manager in fairly soon. I'd like to see them given a chance, but whoever ends up with the job needs to be given the resources to strengthen the squad in a couple of areas. I don't want to see the kind of turnover carnage that was so prevalent under Harry's leadership, but a target man/goalscorer and someone to provide them with service are essential and maybe a holding midfielder if Simon isn't going to play himself. Other than that I think we are pretty decent, but renewed belief and confidence aren't something that can be instilled overnight, so equally important as strengthening the squad, is giving those we have time to regain those qualities.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 14:28:18 GMT
Dover have been on a good run of form even getting a draw at Orient in which some have said they were unlucky not to win.
We lost due to a late goal and being still fragile confidence wise. If they keep grafting they will get results.
Defending too deep is another sign of the low confidence retreating back and back. Hopefully they will maintain the current effort and get the rewards their confidence so badly needs and soon
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Post by Better things to do in life on Jan 2, 2019 14:35:08 GMT
Amen to that!
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2019 14:57:37 GMT
Glad to see you found your rose tinted specs after the New Year Party Dave. Not really rose tinted (or even amber tinted). I never really expected anything from this game. Would have been nice to have got at least a point but with so few attacking options it was always going to be a struggle. I will always try to take something from each game but before Boreham Wood there really wasn't anything to get hold of. I didn't go to that one so can't comment but yesterday apart from the lack of killer instinct we were actually pretty good especially first half. I don't know whether the board will give Lewis and Walton a few weeks or whether they want to get a new manager in fairly soon. I'd like to see them given a chance, but whoever ends up with the job needs to be given the resources to strengthen the squad in a couple of areas. I don't want to see the kind of turnover carnage that was so prevalent under Harry's leadership, but a target man/goalscorer and someone to provide them with service are essential and maybe a holding midfielder if Simon isn't going to play himself. Other than that I think we are pretty decent, but renewed belief and confidence aren't something that can be instilled overnight, so equally important as strengthening the squad, is giving those we have time to regain those qualities. daveu is talking some real sense and not just the old club PR stuff from yesteryear ! On New Years Day, for the first 45 minutes we defo edged it over Dover, played some good stuff to at least a mid table standard. Shame about the lack of cutting edge. Second half though, the team faded, started to play deeper and once again we looked like a serious relegation candidate. I would also like to see Tristan and Walton given an extended run, yet another managerial appointment (the 5th this season) wouldn't look too clever. Anyone available is almost certainly out of work, having been sacked by their last employer and waiting for some desperate club to make them an offer. Also think that Simon Walton is worth his playing place, maybe alongside Will DeHavilland or as a holding midfielder. Where we need new recruits urgently is up front with an out and out striker and maybe 2 attacking wide players. It would be nice if we could recruit an outstanding midfielder too - not much to ask ! So maybe up to 4 players but in a squad of 18 or so it does suggest that we are not a million miles from where we need to be
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jan 2, 2019 15:01:45 GMT
As most people have stated 1st half was a very decent display. 2nd half not so much! Squad is looking horribly thin!! As someone mentioned the Dover squad looks much stronger for example. Not convinced by Wassmer, puts effort in but very limited. Not sure how long he has left with us? That leaves Will and Walton as centre backs!! We have no width and our best forward has now gone. My point is the managers haven’t got much to work with which is a travesty considering how the board backed HW! I really do think we need at least 4 or 5 players to stay up. HW really has left it in a mess!
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Post by pwoodstone on Jan 2, 2019 15:09:57 GMT
Swaine clearly not fancied by the management.
As soon as Harry came, we culled our wide players and started playing Pax out there. Always been a problem scoring ever since.
To think that at the start of the season, I thought all we needed was a dominating DCM and two good strikers and here we are, a million transfers later, still without them.
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 2, 2019 16:50:18 GMT
Glad to see you found your rose tinted specs after the New Year Party Dave. Not really rose tinted (or even amber tinted). I never really expected anything from this game. Would have been nice to have got at least a point but with so few attacking options it was always going to be a struggle. I will always try to take something from each game but before Boreham Wood there really wasn't anything to get hold of. I didn't go to that one so can't comment but yesterday apart from the lack of killer instinct we were actually pretty good especially first half. I don't know whether the board will give Lewis and Walton a few weeks or whether they want to get a new manager in fairly soon. I'd like to see them given a chance, but whoever ends up with the job needs to be given the resources to strengthen the squad in a couple of areas. I don't want to see the kind of turnover carnage that was so prevalent under Harry's leadership, but a target man/goalscorer and someone to provide them with service are essential and maybe a holding midfielder if Simon isn't going to play himself. Other than that I think we are pretty decent, but renewed belief and confidence aren't something that can be instilled overnight, so equally important as strengthening the squad, is giving those we have time to regain those qualities. I think Walton has to play himself we are too weak to be without his power in the middle of the park, as for killer instinct we have been lacking that all season, an sadly I don,t think there is enough money available to rectify that issue. 1st half we were ok but 2nd half we seemed to go backwards an played with very little belief an never seemed likely to win the game, having said that we are not doomed yet, but I feel the owners should make a move sooner rather than later either name a new manager or give the job to these two.
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