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Post by 61666 on Jan 3, 2019 8:36:52 GMT
Am I the only person, apart from Stoneslive, to see the headbutt? Ok, not a full on Glaswegian handshake, but deliberate contact was made and such things are (nearly) always a red card. Had this happened, then 0-0 the most likely finish to the game and we'd now be on a two match unbeaten run(!). It didn't happen, so we move on, but on such decisions, entire seasons can hang, because a win and a draw is a platform to build on, whereas we are instead looking at one win in a sequence of losses. Our five match league form of one win, four losses, is equal worst, shared with Salford, of all people. Ebbsfleet currently have the best recent form - four wins and one defeat, post McMahon, who is still bookies favourite to take over. Makes you wonder...
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 3, 2019 8:43:52 GMT
Spot on, young Porky. We had no real options on the bench - one injury and all chances of a tactical change in the 2nd was gone. Not feeling too happy about things at the mo, to be honest, despite the first half and BW. When Terry kicked Jay out "to give us hope", he couldn't have been more wrong. Edited so it makes more sense!No real options ? Just a striker that cost the club 30 k and massive weekly wages another one of the clowns master strokes . Please please do not be sucked in by Lewis he is part of the double act he has worked with wheeler for many years and they are close friends . He is not stupid he is saying the things the supporters and owners want to hear . Do not fck this up again and be blagged . Lewis has never managed a club he is a no 2 coach at best . do ur homework on this it's not hard . The club has to clear everyone out connected with wheeler and get a fresh experienced manager in like they should of done the first time round. Please do do not mess this up this time. Dave welcome back, you have made 32 posts all about Harry, now he,s gone so do us all a favour an wait for him to join another club then use there forum an leave us to do whatever with our club. Obviously you have an issue with HW was he an ex boyfriend or something?
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jan 3, 2019 8:45:02 GMT
Spot on, young Porky. We had no real options on the bench - one injury and all chances of a tactical change in the 2nd was gone. Not feeling too happy about things at the mo, to be honest, despite the first half and BW. When Terry kicked Jay out "to give us hope", he couldn't have been more wrong. Edited so it makes more sense!No real options ? Just a striker that cost the club 30 k and massive weekly wages another one of the clowns master strokes . Please please do not be sucked in by Lewis he is part of the double act he has worked with wheeler for many years and they are close friends . He is not stupid he is saying the things the supporters and owners want to hear . Do not fck this up again and be blagged . Lewis has never managed a club he is a no 2 coach at best . do ur homework on this it's not hard . The club has to clear everyone out connected with wheeler and get a fresh experienced manager in like they should of done the first time round. Please do do not mess this up this time. How do you know he cost 30k 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by clydestone on Jan 3, 2019 9:23:31 GMT
Am I the only person, apart from Stoneslive, to see the headbutt? Ok, not a full on Glaswegian handshake, but deliberate contact was made and such things are (nearly) always a red card. Had this happened, then 0-0 the most likely finish to the game and we'd now be on a two match unbeaten run(!). It didn't happen, so we move on, but on such decisions, entire seasons can hang, because a win and a draw is a platform to build on, whereas we are instead looking at one win in a sequence of losses. Our five match league form of one win, four losses, is equal worst, shared with Salford, of all people. Ebbsfleet currently have the best recent form - four wins and one defeat, post McMahon, who is still bookies favourite to take over. Makes you wonder...
it was very clear to me in real time that he had put his head in and was sufficient to get a red card although no one else near me appeared to see it. glad the highlights confirmed what i saw.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 3, 2019 10:34:05 GMT
Hurrah and thank you sir! Shame that Cassidy didn't immediately go down, clutching his face, as per Worgan in that game v Sutton. We still lost that (2-1, I believe), but we were getting completely overrun until then and 0-2 after about 20 mins. The basic problems still remain, but 0-0 would have felt like a result and instead we got nothing.
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Post by daveu on Jan 3, 2019 10:42:12 GMT
Hurrah and thank you sir! Shame that Cassidy didn't immediately go down, clutching his face, as per Worgan in that game v Sutton. We still lost that (2-1, I believe), but we were getting completely overrun until then and 0-2 after about 20 mins. The basic problems still remain, but 0-0 would have felt like a result and instead we got nothing. Unfortunately (depending on your point of view) Cassidy is a very honest player, after all look what Effiong got away with for 90 minutes against our central defenders. Cassidy is very strong and physical but maybe he needs to be a bit dirtier as well. A bit more wrestling and the odd elbow in the throat of the central defender wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jan 3, 2019 10:49:51 GMT
Hurrah and thank you sir! Shame that Cassidy didn't immediately go down, clutching his face, as per Worgan in that game v Sutton. We still lost that (2-1, I believe), but we were getting completely overrun until then and 0-2 after about 20 mins. The basic problems still remain, but 0-0 would have felt like a result and instead we got nothing. Unfortunately (depending on your point of view) Cassidy is a very honest player, after all look what Effiong got away with for 90 minutes against our central defenders. Cassidy is very strong and physical but maybe he needs to be a bit dirtier as well. A bit more wrestling and the odd elbow in the throat of the central defender wouldn't go amiss. He will probably start doing this on Saturday 😳
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Post by 61666 on Jan 3, 2019 11:06:10 GMT
You maybe right. Ought to have got himself sent off on Saturday and therefore avoid playing us.
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Post by pieman1982 on Jan 3, 2019 11:34:24 GMT
I think we will go down with Dover after watching that game.
The reason we walked past the NLS in one season with a team not much stronger than our Ryman days is because the step from Ryman Prem to NLS is quite small. The jump to national from NLS is clearly huge! The gap from National to League 2 is in my opionion is smaller as well. Just look at all the players we have plucked from the NLS who scored a shed load of goals eg, Wraight, Robinson and now Loza on loan. If we can keep some of what we have then next season should we go down we “should” with the correct manager be looking at automatic promotion. However I can’t see some of our journeymen sticking around. When we do end up back in the National league we need a purpose build team for the league. Harry just kept on using NLS players and hoped they worked, but we can all see how that ended. Pavey who won the NLS golden boot looked out of his depth for Dover. Dover’s long throw made their average team threatening throughout. We could do with an Alex Flisher again, I don’t think our old success would have been quite as great without that under valued skill of making every throw like a corner. I never rated Jai Reason and he is the size of a small car, but proven year after year at this level. Looking at other clubs forums fans are rarely wrong with their opinion on players leaving to join us! BW were correct about Quigley, Fleet about Powel, FGR about Mullins etc... Fleet Phil was sad to see Shields come over and now look! We don’t have him!!
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Post by jdl on Jan 3, 2019 12:06:08 GMT
Hurrah and thank you sir! Shame that Cassidy didn't immediately go down, clutching his face, as per Worgan in that game v Sutton. We still lost that (2-1, I believe), but we were getting completely overrun until then and 0-2 after about 20 mins. The basic problems still remain, but 0-0 would have felt like a result and instead we got nothing. Too much clutching at straws here (not something I expected from you, Mr 6). No way did we deserve to win that game. You could argue that we won the first half, and Dover the second, so a draw would have been fair, but anyone who watched that second half will tell you that we were going to lose, it was just a mater of time. We had no threat at all up front, once McLennan went off and we had to play our only decent sub out of position, it was all Dover - big, athletic blokes running at goal. With our defensive record, it was only a matter of time before one went in. We had nothing on the bench to counter this, and what we did have on the pitch first half just ran out of ideas/steam. We have an Ikea squad – so poor that we can't even put together a decent bench. And we have no regular goal scorers. Without some better players in key positions (and, I fear, a new manager), we are, as Dover sang on Tuesday, "going down with the Braintree". I haven't had the heart to watch the highlights, but, from previous experience, I doubt very much if they represented anything like a full view of the game. Apart from anything else, now they are used by TV, they are too short to give you more than the goals/attempts and any controversial moments - which doesn’t give you any real idea of the other 85 minutes of the game. And one thing I suspect the highlights didn't show, was 350 Dover fans singing, full voice, "We are staying up, say, we are staying up!". That, more than anything, tells you exactly where we are at the moment.
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Post by jdl on Jan 3, 2019 12:20:47 GMT
There was one small ray of hope on Tuesday - I thought Richards looked good when he came on. Not only is he more confident now, he's also filled out a lot and doesn't get pushed off the ball. He played some nice passes, and seemed to be the only player with any ideas at that stage of the game (admittedly, not a fair comment on the other players, as were pretty knackered by then). Had we brought him on earlier - instead of Robinson (who, quite frankly, is out of his depth) - we might have managed to equalize, or even sneaked a win.
As for management - I'm afraid I don't think the current pair have got what it takes. I like their enthusiasm, and reaching out to the fans, it makes a nice change after Harry's tight-lipped refusal to acknowledge reality, but I don't see any evidence that they've got the tactical ability/experience to win games. And I very much doubt if they've got the contacts and the nous to get the right players in.
It's no longer just trying to stay up now, we need an experienced manager in the mould of John Still, not only to give us the best shot at avoiding the drop, but (and perhaps more importantly) to rebuild the team, now and over the summer, so we can Torquay the NS next season.
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Post by 61666 on Jan 3, 2019 12:33:01 GMT
Not suggesting we could have won. Even the highlights don't come close. However, small things make a difference and a sending off could have meant a draw and perhaps, a bit more confidence. Equally it could just paper over the cracks and the facts are we are not good enough and haven't since promotion of we are honest.
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Post by jdl on Jan 3, 2019 12:37:46 GMT
Not suggesting we could have won. Even the highlights don't come close. However, small things make a difference and a sending off could have meant a draw and perhaps, a bit more confidence. Equally it could just paper over the cracks and the facts are we are not good enough and haven't since promotion of we are honest. Is that you, Black Knight?
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Post by 61666 on Jan 3, 2019 13:26:47 GMT
Certainly not! Can't believe the nonsense on that thread, though this forum knows no bounds, it seems.
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