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Post by nws on Sept 26, 2018 8:48:56 GMT
Isn't it strange how I was once unambitious because I said I didn't want to go to the league after it wrecked us last time. Now it seems I was prophetic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:15:30 GMT
It's what I've been saying for a long time - you need more than even our sort of gate income to do well (or even survive) in this league. The only teams that stand a realistic chance of getting promoted (and staying up - before anyone says "Maclesfield") are ex-League clubs with large gates and League standard infrastructure already in place, or clubs with sugar daddies. The rest of us will typically flirt with the play-offs for a few weeks a season, settle for a mid-table finish (and be glad of it), and spend most seasons looking over our shoulders at the relegation zone. This is NOT the old Conference and we are no longer 'the Manchester United of non-league' (if we ever were). Our only chance of getting into the league is survival and consolidation - gradually get the ground up to League standard, gradually build up support, and then, one day, find the right manager to get us up on a tight budget. I still believe it's possible, but it's not going to happen very soon. We need to forget the '3 in 4' and accept where we are, and what that means. I really do not know how some clubs in the National, and leagues 1 & 2, survive. I was reading in the paper earlier that less than 2,500 turned up to watch Burton Albion beat Burnley last night. Their average home attendance for league games is only 3,374. Accrington's is only 2,040, also in League 1. Incredible really. How those clubs can pay League 1 wages and survive month on month is difficult to fathom. Even the TV money they get surely cannot be compensating for the shortfall on gate receipts. There may well be, of course, some 'creative counting' and accounting at the turnstiles, where cash is king, but that will only get you so far.
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Post by porkystone on Sept 26, 2018 10:03:11 GMT
I really do not know how some clubs in the National, and leagues 1 & 2, survive. I was reading in the paper earlier that less than 2,500 turned up to watch Burton Albion beat Burnley last night. Their average home attendance for league games is only 3,374. Accrington's is only 2,040, also in League 1. Incredible really. How those clubs can pay League 1 wages and survive month on month is difficult to fathom. Even the TV money they get surely cannot be compensating for the shortfall on gate receipts. There may well be, of course, some 'creative counting' and accounting at the turnstiles, where cash is king, but that will only get you so far. Some stuff online here ( you might need to pay to access some of this ): www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17www.deloittestore.co.uk/Annual-Review-of-Football-Finance-s/1951.htm#Accrington Stanley appear to have made an accounting retained profit of £ 556,566 for the year to 31 May 2017 - no idea how that comes about !
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Post by 61666 on Sept 26, 2018 10:03:48 GMT
Bournemouth's average gate is only 9500 in the premier League. Equally they are in the too 30 richest clubs in the WORLD, but solely from BT Sky money . Personally, am happy where we are and hope to stay here for a while, enjoying a cup run or three to boost the coffers, as per Sutton. Interesting that Solihull currently doing well. Seem to remember folk saying their ground is on a par with Braintree's. Wonder what the league would say if they made promotion??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 10:16:04 GMT
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Post by rockstar on Sept 26, 2018 11:23:17 GMT
Has there been any news regarding the new stand? Seems to of gone quiet.
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Post by MadeofStone on Sept 26, 2018 19:30:57 GMT
I really do not know how some clubs in the National, and leagues 1 & 2, survive. I was reading in the paper earlier that less than 2,500 turned up to watch Burton Albion beat Burnley last night. Their average home attendance for league games is only 3,374. Accrington's is only 2,040, also in League 1. Incredible really. How those clubs can pay League 1 wages and survive month on month is difficult to fathom. Even the TV money they get surely cannot be compensating for the shortfall on gate receipts. There may well be, of course, some 'creative counting' and accounting at the turnstiles, where cash is king, but that will only get you so far. Some stuff online here ( you might need to pay to access some of this ): www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17www.deloittestore.co.uk/Annual-Review-of-Football-Finance-s/1951.htm#Accrington Stanley appear to have made an accounting retained profit of £ 556,566 for the year to 31 May 2017 - no idea how that comes about ! I would guess having been up the top end of the league they were getting a slight increase in attendance. That combined with selling Kayden Jackson for a reported £1 mill. Very impressed with their recruitment and use of the loan system. They went up last year on one of if not the smallest budgets in league 2. Very well run club from top to bottom. If they can do it we surely can provided we start recruiting and retaining players in a far more professional and intelligent manner. Peterborough are the masters of this. Accrington to a lesser extent more been accomplished on a great team spirit with everyone pulling in the same direction.
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Post by MadeofStone on Sept 26, 2018 19:33:44 GMT
Whilst also playing good to watch football may I just add
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Post by pigbag on Sept 26, 2018 21:38:50 GMT
Has there been any news regarding the new stand? Seems to of gone quiet. I understand agreement has been reached with the council over the purchase of the land.
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Post by jdl on Sept 26, 2018 21:49:07 GMT
Has there been any news regarding the new stand? Seems to of gone quiet. I understand agreement has been reached with the council over the purchase of the land. How do you know that?
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Post by michael on Sept 26, 2018 22:28:09 GMT
returning to the comments about getting EFL status, whilst you need income from so many sources -including all important 'Gate money ,don't forget that you get about £900k to start with-about £450k from the EFL for being a 'member', and then about the same in TV money .
the check a trade trophy (low key competition) you get at least £10k for every win (in a mini league of 3 where many play reserves ) and then i think its either another 10k or even 20K for winning the mini league and going to the next round for even more dosh
there is some serious money around in EFL these days-just for being there !!
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Post by rockstar on Sept 27, 2018 4:47:04 GMT
Has there been any news regarding the new stand? Seems to of gone quiet. I understand agreement has been reached with the council over the purchase of the land. Didn’t the council over price the value of the land? Didn’t know the club have reached an agreement on this. If this is true that is good news. Have there been any plans shown on what the new stand may look like?
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Post by Benny on Sept 27, 2018 5:02:51 GMT
Four rows of seats, capacity 600.
Most important is there will be structures on four sides, helping atmosphere.
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Post by Benny on Sept 27, 2018 5:06:40 GMT
returning to the comments about getting EFL status, whilst you need income from so many sources -including all important 'Gate money ,don't forget that you get about £900k to start with-about £450k from the EFL for being a 'member', and then about the same in TV money . the check a trade trophy (low key competition) you get at least £10k for every win (in a mini league of 3 where many play reserves ) and then i think its either another 10k or even 20K for winning the mini league and going to the next round for even more dosh there is some serious money around in EFL these days-just for being there !! There are also some seriously wealthy owners. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/efl-owners-net-worth-richest-2024729.ampGone are the days of football clubs being owned by car dealers and local butchers.
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Post by Nick on Sept 27, 2018 6:58:56 GMT
I understand agreement has been reached with the council over the purchase of the land. Didn’t the council over price the value of the land? Didn’t know the club have reached an agreement on this. If this is true that is good news. Have there been any plans shown on what the new stand may look like? Seem to remember the asking price from the Council was circa 50k (I could be wrong). But have I missed something ? Don't recall the club saying that the purchase has been sorted.
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