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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2017 13:41:11 GMT
I'm not "peddling the same old myth" Daveu, simply adding my point of view. Which is based on personal choice to spend more time in the EE than the Main Stand for the reason stated. It's the reasons I was objecting to. It may be your perception but it is simply not true. There are no more moaners in the main stand than anywhere else. I fully accept that we are not vocal in an orchestrated way, and if that's your bag, then standing with the chanters is obviously preferable. But it is clearly false to imply that we are any less supportive of the team simply because we don't chant.
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Post by nws on Nov 20, 2017 13:44:11 GMT
This thread has turned into my ‘dicks bigger than yours’, ‘I support the team better than you’, you’re self righteous because you go to away games’. Blah blah blah from the usual suspects. You have altered my anatomy through the omission of an apostrophe!
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Post by nws on Nov 20, 2017 13:45:40 GMT
I'm not "peddling the same old myth" Daveu, simply adding my point of view. Which is based on personal choice to spend more time in the EE than the Main Stand for the reason stated. It's the reasons I was objecting to. It may be your perception but it is simply not true. There are no more moaners in the main stand than anywhere else. I fully accept that we are not vocal in an orchestrated way, and if that's your bag, then standing with the chanters is obviously preferable. But it is clearly false to imply that we are any less supportive of the team simply because we don't chant. You have stated as fact that it is 'clearly false'. Can you please tell us why you are qualified to say that (given that you do not attend EE and he does) and what methodology you have used to reach such an absolute conclusion.
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Post by nws on Nov 20, 2017 13:50:14 GMT
So there we have it folks. Dave U summed up in one hour. My qualification to comment is questioned because I do not attend home games. Dave U can comment on a part of the ground he does not stand in and furthermore he can say that the OPINION of someone who does is 'clearly false'.
Two words. Contradiction and contradiction.
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Post by Nick on Nov 20, 2017 15:14:53 GMT
I'm not "peddling the same old myth" Daveu, simply adding my point of view. Which is based on personal choice to spend more time in the EE than the Main Stand for the reason stated. It's the reasons I was objecting to. It may be your perception but it is simply not true. There are no more moaners in the main stand than anywhere else. I fully accept that we are not vocal in an orchestrated way, and if that's your bag, then standing with the chanters is obviously preferable. But it is clearly false to imply that we are any less supportive of the team simply because we don't chant. Just for the record daveuI have not remotely labelled main stand dwellers as moaning old gits or anything else. Indeed it is entirely possible that the area of the main stand where I sit is completely unrepresentative of the remainder. But in my experience there are simply some people too quick to moan both at the team in general and individual players in particular. These moaners are obviously a smallish minority (maybe 10%, perhaps only 5%), but they do manage to make themselves easily heard when the main stand is on the quiet side. Which as you know is not a totally unprecedented phenomenon. IMO, the EE support is generally younger and louder and it just feels like there are fewer moaners or perhaps they fail to get heard so much As I say, just a point of view based on my experience in both areas of the ground
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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2017 15:22:08 GMT
It's the reasons I was objecting to. It may be your perception but it is simply not true. There are no more moaners in the main stand than anywhere else. I fully accept that we are not vocal in an orchestrated way, and if that's your bag, then standing with the chanters is obviously preferable. But it is clearly false to imply that we are any less supportive of the team simply because we don't chant. Just for the record daveuI have not remotely labelled main stand dwellers as moaning old gits or anything else. Indeed it is entirely possible that the area of the main stand where I sit is completely unrepresentative of the remainder. But in my experience there are simply some people too quick to moan both at the team in general and individual players in particular. These moaners are obviously a smallish minority, but they do manage to make themselves easily heard when the main stand is on the quiet side. Which as you know is not a totally unprecedented phenomenon. IMO, the EE support is generally younger and louder and it just feels like there are fewer moaners or perhaps they fail to get heard so much As I say, just a point of view based on my experience in both areas of the ground And your second to last paragraph really is the crux of the matter. Chanting generally is something indulged in by the younger supporters. It may not be you, but I find the constant criticism on here unfair and unjustified. It seems that whenever we have a disappointing home performance it's somehow the fault of the main stand. You may have suffered the backlash from my feelings on the subject and if so I apologize.
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Post by jakeyboi on Nov 20, 2017 15:24:47 GMT
I'm not "peddling the same old myth" Daveu, simply adding my point of view. Which is based on personal choice to spend more time in the EE than the Main Stand for the reason stated. I have a season ticket as well, and like Nick I support the team from the EE I would give up my ticket rather than sit in the main stand.
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Post by daveu on Nov 20, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
I have a season ticket as well, and like Nick I support the team from the EE I would give up my ticket rather than sit in the main stand. Funny how many of us - I now know of at least 4 - have seats in the Main Stand but don't use them. Sometimes makes me wonder how the seats are almost always full? because when they realise seats aren't in use they allow other supporters to use them
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Post by jakeyboi on Nov 20, 2017 16:29:58 GMT
Funny how many of us - I now know of at least 4 - have seats in the Main Stand but don't use them. Sometimes makes me wonder how the seats are almost always full? because when they realise seats aren't in use they allow other supporters to use them You answered it yourself Daveu "ALMOST ALWAYS FULL"
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Post by Tstone on Nov 20, 2017 16:57:31 GMT
Two words. Contradiction and contradiction. That's three words!
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Post by pwe on Nov 20, 2017 17:09:10 GMT
odd isn't it, I sit in the main stand too, always have, just a bit further North of JDL I think, and I don't hear moaning either, on the contrary, there are plenty of call outs in praise of our players, when in earshot, when they've done good, not to mention appropriate 'coaching and feedback' directed at the lino
there's nothing wrong with my hearing either, though sometimes, and last Saturday was as bad as ever, I wish there were. I get a running commentary from a pair behind me on Prem & Championship scores. scorers, sending offs, bookings, fantasy teams (?)...is there an acceptable protocol for asking these guys to desist?
example, Wynter finally got subbed with his eye injury, and as he disappeared down the tunnel, these 2 plums were totally lost, they'd not seen him go down, play halted, get treated, go off, come back on...I'll probably get a whack on the back of the head tomorrow night now
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Post by jdl on Nov 20, 2017 22:38:21 GMT
odd isn't it, I sit in the main stand too, always have, just a bit further North of JDL I think, and I don't hear moaning either, on the contrary, there are plenty of call outs in praise of our players, when in earshot, when they've done good, not to mention appropriate 'coaching and feedback' directed at the lino there's nothing wrong with my hearing either, though sometimes, and last Saturday was as bad as ever, I wish there were. I get a running commentary from a pair behind me on Prem & Championship scores. scorers, sending offs, bookings, fantasy teams (?)...is there an acceptable protocol for asking these guys to desist? example, Wynter finally got subbed with his eye injury, and as he disappeared down the tunnel, these 2 plums were totally lost, they'd not seen him go down, play halted, get treated, go off, come back on...I'll probably get a whack on the back of the head tomorrow night now Well., you either sit closer to us than you realise, or there are more than one set of these 'plums'! I often wonder why some people bother coming to the game at all. But I had exactly the same experience in my Town End days, so it's not unique to the MS. The difference there was that you could move away!
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Post by nws on Nov 21, 2017 7:08:33 GMT
Two words. Contradiction and contradiction. That's three words! 'contradiction and contradiction' is two words with one repeated.
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Post by senna34165 on Nov 21, 2017 20:58:50 GMT
I sit in the main stand so am qualified to comment on the moaners and those who can’t take a bit of atmosphere. Your point “bar a fairly small few” is my pint exactly and on top of that people moan. So where is our home advantage? Yes there are moaners in the main stand but nowhere near as many as the oh so superior EE inhabitants try to make out. Also, as has been pointed out, and it used to be true of the town end as well, all the atmosphere is generated by about 50 people who congregate mainly at the back directly behind the goal, and whatever the claim, yesterday they didn't wake up until well into the second half. And when moaning about the lack of chanting from the main stand, you also need to consider the demographic. The majority of us are getting on a bit, and chanting is by and large a young man's game. There was noise from the main stand yesterday, in the form of rhythmic clapping in time with the chants from the EE. Some people just have a massive downer on those of us who prefer to sit down to watch football. Sitting on the main stand Dave, can you hear the drum and EE changing at 0-3 but moaning in the main stand? I can
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Post by senna34165 on Nov 21, 2017 21:00:41 GMT
I sit in the main stand so am qualified to comment on the moaners and those who can’t take a bit of atmosphere. Your point “bar a fairly small few” is my pint exactly and on top of that people moan. So where is our home advantage? The problem with the main stand, senna, is that it contains a lot of people who are past chanting age plus a lot of people who are not that bothered that much so wouldn't chant anyway. It's shown by the fact that having shown their richness by occupying the dearer part of the ground they then cannot be bothered to lug their Jag/Daimler/Mercedes further away than Dover or Ebbsfleet. Fair comment Adrian so perhaps they can belt up instead of moaning.
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