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Post by nws on Jan 3, 2017 21:59:32 GMT
In the absence of anyone new, maybe the first task is to decide who to leave out and then who to replace them with. If Driver getting out of his depth, maybe BJT could fill in. Has done well in the past, but there again is our top scorer too... If Rogers not doing enough, Evans the obvious alternative, but if Flisher is not dropped, then have him doing Rogers role in midfield might not be the worst call. Up front, Nguessian looks the obvious change to Yemi, who has actually done OK coming on late as an impact sub. Likewise if Coyle past his best, ACH needs to come in. Whatever the 'best' side on paper, it also needs to reflect what Guisely have to offer as opposition. Best of luck to Jay, let's hope he picks the right side and even has a new option or two. Flish sitting in front on the centre backs isn't the craziest idea. Something's not right with him - he doesn't even win much in the air anymore. Its either drop and/or move on or change positio.Evans is a tidy if unspectacular player, who also doesn't have much pace but uses the ball well. Need a better one! CB is less clear Lokko's positionning at times is poor and he doesn't always get enough clearance with headers. Coyle has little pace and isnt the loudest player in the world. Ach definitely organises the defence more than the other two. Need a better one! Scoring goals - noone in the squad that can do this - assuming nguesson isn't the one. We need more than serve McQueen and a triumph to escape from this one! He's not fit
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Post by stonesforlife on Jan 3, 2017 22:21:42 GMT
After sitting through Sunday's mauling, I can easily understand why so many on here think the solution to our problems is a reliable goal scorer. But the facts don't really support that notion. True, our goal scoring record is abysmal - out top scorer (with a mighty six goals) is our penalty taker, our second best scorer (and top, from open play) has left the club, and our third best hasn't actually scored a league goal since Sept 17th. But actually our 'goals for' isn't the worst in the league, or even close to it. In fact EIGHT other clubs have scored as few or less, and FIVE of them are above us in the table - Wrexham, at 16th, have only scored 24, Sutton, our fellow ingénue, doing so much better than us at 14th, have scored exactly the same as us, and Boring Wood are at 12th on one goal less. It's the next column in the table that is our real problem - we have let in 51 goals - an average of nearly TWO goals a game - the second worse in the league. Much as I would like to see someone regularly banging in goals, that isn't what's going to save us. We are capable of scoring one or two goals in most games - what we have to do, if we're going to survive, is somehow plug the bloody big hole at the back. We need 3 new players I think, maybe 1 def if not 2, and 1 mid and striker so infact probably 4
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Post by nws on Jan 3, 2017 22:29:08 GMT
After sitting through Sunday's mauling, I can easily understand why so many on here think the solution to our problems is a reliable goal scorer. But the facts don't really support that notion. True, our goal scoring record is abysmal - out top scorer (with a mighty six goals) is our penalty taker, our second best scorer (and top, from open play) has left the club, and our third best hasn't actually scored a league goal since Sept 17th. But actually our 'goals for' isn't the worst in the league, or even close to it. In fact EIGHT other clubs have scored as few or less, and FIVE of them are above us in the table - Wrexham, at 16th, have only scored 24, Sutton, our fellow ingénue, doing so much better than us at 14th, have scored exactly the same as us, and Boring Wood are at 12th on one goal less. It's the next column in the table that is our real problem - we have let in 51 goals - an average of nearly TWO goals a game - the second worse in the league. Much as I would like to see someone regularly banging in goals, that isn't what's going to save us. We are capable of scoring one or two goals in most games - what we have to do, if we're going to survive, is somehow plug the bloody big hole at the back. We need 3 new players I think, maybe 1 def if not 2, and 1 mid and striker so infact probably 4 A midfielder to run games will see us go from relegation threatened to mid-table, IMHO
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Post by Frenchstone on Jan 4, 2017 4:55:04 GMT
No need to be so ... "In my humble opinion !" ... just say it plain and clear !! ... We know that you are only a mere God now !! Lol.😂😂😂
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Post by Nick on Jan 4, 2017 6:18:41 GMT
JDL is right about our defence leaking far too many goals
carry on conceding as we do and Stones get relegated, simple
but where do we strengthen, because if you just look at individual players they pretty much look OK for the job.
not easy, for me Worgan has been worth 7/10 this season, so the problem is not there.
same score for Mills (7/10) but maybe just a shade less for Driver (6/10) so perhaps a position for Jay to ponder.
there are the centre backs. Lokko, AA and Coyle.
so little to choose between them and yet statistics suggest we need to strengthen in this key position.
I still think Lokko has too much quality to dispense with so if the team has to replace one of them, maybe it has to be a choice between Coyly or Ach
then, defensive midfield, we have Rogers and Evans.
again, not much to choose between two pretty tidy players, but I still think we need somebody, bigger, stronger and better in this role.
with Jack Paxman playing so well in recent matches it's got fairly quiet suddenly about the need for a midfield general.
but imagine life without Pax, we would be desperate for creativity and legs in the centre of the park.
so the signing of another top midfielder is a must.
we have 3 good wide attacking players but are Flish and Yemi doing enough as central strikers ?
the answer is pretty obvious.
sorry to add to Jay 'Saunders worries but 2 additional attacking options are needed.
didn't mean to look to replace half the team with this analysis but something approaching that sort of magnitude is probably required.
maybe, just securing 3/4 really good signings will be enough to keep us in the National League.
Good luck Jay !
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Post by senna34165 on Jan 4, 2017 7:13:26 GMT
Some more experienced 18-21yr olds Jay??.. watched the 1st half at home as unwell to come to the ground, same old same old, hump the ball, Flisher not up to this level, Driver having a nightmare relegation becoming impossible to avoid.. How odd as I saw some good football in terms of pressure passing, tempo from MUFC, you must have been seriously ill or maybe watching a different game
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Post by senna34165 on Jan 4, 2017 7:16:08 GMT
JDL is right about our defence leaking far too many goals carry on conceding as we do and Stones get relegated, simple but where do we strengthen, because if you just look at individual players they pretty much look OK for the job. not easy, for me Worgan has been worth 7/10 this season, so the problem is not there. same score for Mills (7/10) but maybe just a shade less for Driver (6/10) so perhaps a position for Jay to ponder. there are the centre backs. Lokko, AA and Coyle. so little to choose between them and yet statistics suggest we need to strengthen in this key position. I still think Lokko has too much quality to dispense with so if the team has to replace one of them, maybe it has to be a choice between Coyly or Ach then, defensive midfield, we have Rogers and Evans. again, not much to choose between two pretty tidy players, but I still think we need somebody, bigger, stronger and better in this role. with Jack Paxman playing so well in recent matches it's got fairly quiet suddenly about the need for a midfield general. but imagine life without Pax, we would be desperate for creativity and legs in the centre of the park. so the signing of another top midfielder is a must. we have 3 good wide attacking players but are Flish and Yemi doing enough as central strikers ? the answer is pretty obvious. sorry to add to Jay 'Saunders worries but 2 additional attacking options are needed. didn't mean to look to replace half the team with this analysis but something approaching that sort of magnitude is probably required. maybe, just securing 3/4 really good signings will be enough to keep us in the National League. Good luck Jay ! Are you still in the car park your antenna has gone quite 😬
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Post by Nick on Jan 4, 2017 8:15:59 GMT
quite what ? please explain !
also, why don't you just reply to a post without quoting the full text of the original before your response (save the earth)
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 4, 2017 8:29:39 GMT
Flish sitting in front on the centre backs isn't the craziest idea. Something's not right with him - he doesn't even win much in the air anymore. Its either drop and/or move on or change positio.Evans is a tidy if unspectacular player, who also doesn't have much pace but uses the ball well. Need a better one! CB is less clear Lokko's positionning at times is poor and he doesn't always get enough clearance with headers. Coyle has little pace and isnt the loudest player in the world. Ach definitely organises the defence more than the other two. Need a better one! Scoring goals - noone in the squad that can do this - assuming nguesson isn't the one. We need more than serve McQueen and a triumph to escape from this one! He's not fit Then why the hell does JS keep picking him ahead of others that are fit
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Post by Nick on Jan 4, 2017 8:53:14 GMT
We all remember the times when Flish has been a game changer but those days are a distant memory time to move on, but the option of BG isn't too exciting either maybe Bobby Joe should be given another chance but is Yemi the striker we need to turn chances into goals ? wish the current problems were about the need to replace a single player
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Post by 61666 on Jan 4, 2017 8:57:31 GMT
Ignoring the jibes that a few simply cannot exist without, it has been interesting to see some creative thinking of late, in particular not so much who is out, but who do you keep? Worgan, of course. Mills coping well, gets beaten at times but that is what forwards do to defenders. Lokko has something about him. Paxman, definite, likewise BJT, Loza and Vaz.
So only seven. With one side of defense looking decidedly dodgy. However, is it the actual players, or the way they do not link well together. A bit like Hoddle and Robson never quite working well or more recently Gerrard and Lampard. The issues for Jay are not just finding new signings, but finding ones that will work with the current squad. No doubt why Enver-Marum went (£bbsfleet follower I know described him as 'lazy' when there). Also probably why Jay likes younger players, so he can mould more easily than set in their ways older ones. And why influential, experienced, quality players are hard to find because once you have them, you want to keep them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 9:48:47 GMT
Ignoring the jibes that a few simply cannot exist without, it has been interesting to see some creative thinking of late, in particular not so much who is out, but who do you keep? Worgan, of course. Mills coping well, gets beaten at times but that is what forwards do to defenders. Lokko has something about him. Paxman, definite, likewise BJT, Loza and Vaz. So only seven. With one side of defense looking decidedly dodgy. However, is it the actual players, or the way they do not link well together. A bit like Hoddle and Robson never quite working well or more recently Gerrard and Lampard. The issues for Jay are not just finding new signings, but finding ones that will work with the current squad. No doubt why Enver-Marum went (£bbsfleet follower I know described him as 'lazy' when there). Also probably why Jay likes younger players, so he can mould more easily than set in their ways older ones. And why influential, experienced, quality players are hard to find because once you have them, you want to keep them. I wouldn't write Flish off yet. Maybe he needs a loan move to regain his confidence. I don't totally buy the 'not fit' thing, I know people have a snigger about his weight but he is playing regularly and really ought to be match fit by now. Things aren't going his way and his confidence looks a bit shattered. Vas went out on loan and has come back looking a different player - a few weeks ago, after a poor pre-season, people were writing him off on here. Don't be fickle - Flish is a huge talent. It's wasteful to get rid of players just because they're out of form. With the crowds we get, the pressure at the Gallagher on players who struggle is huge. I was one of the people who didn't rate Akrofi, and yet he's now gone to Tonbridge and is banging in goals for fun. I watched their last couple of highlights and I couldn't believe I was watching the same player - he can even run with the ball at his feet! Sometimes, for whatever reason, players get into a mental 'hole', whereupon taking them out of that environment completely and putting them somewhere else sorts it out. it doesn't always work but with Flish it might be worth a go. Jay wouldn't have many problems finding clubs who would take him on loan, that's for sure.
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Post by nws on Jan 4, 2017 10:00:34 GMT
Then why the hell does JS keep picking him ahead of others that are fit In the hope that he will get fit, because he is seen as something indispensable, I don't know. It would be great to see him back to where he was before his injury. I hope we do. Maybe we never will.
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Post by da on Jan 4, 2017 10:00:46 GMT
Obviously Flish's confidence does seem to be low at the moment so perhaps instead of keep criticising him, lets get behind him and cheer him and the team on. All this negativity can't be that good for any of them. We weren't saying Flish isn't good enough at the start of the season when he was scoring. Unfortunately I agree with the post above, I don't believe our players have gelled this season, I feel we have too many players that are too similar - all want to run with the ball, not passing etc.
Also, I feel like Dover, we should be training 3 times a week instead of just 2. This is a very hard league and one that I'm sure everybody wants to stay in, so lets get supporting and not slating!
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Post by nws on Jan 4, 2017 10:02:56 GMT
Ignoring the jibes that a few simply cannot exist without, it has been interesting to see some creative thinking of late, in particular not so much who is out, but who do you keep? Worgan, of course. Mills coping well, gets beaten at times but that is what forwards do to defenders. Lokko has something about him. Paxman, definite, likewise BJT, Loza and Vaz. So only seven. With one side of defense looking decidedly dodgy. However, is it the actual players, or the way they do not link well together. A bit like Hoddle and Robson never quite working well or more recently Gerrard and Lampard. The issues for Jay are not just finding new signings, but finding ones that will work with the current squad. No doubt why Enver-Marum went (£bbsfleet follower I know described him as 'lazy' when there). Also probably why Jay likes younger players, so he can mould more easily than set in their ways older ones. And why influential, experienced, quality players are hard to find because once you have them, you want to keep them. I wouldn't write Flish off yet. Maybe he needs a loan move to regain his confidence. I don't totally buy the 'not fit' thing, I know people have a snigger about his weight but he is playing regularly and really ought to be match fit by now. Things aren't going his way and his confidence looks a bit shattered. Vas went out on loan and has come back looking a different player - a few weeks ago, after a poor pre-season, people were writing him off on here. Don't be fickle - Flish is a huge talent. It's wasteful to get rid of players just because they're out of form. With the crowds we get, the pressure at the Gallagher on players who struggle is huge. I was one of the people who didn't rate Akrofi, and yet he's now gone to Tonbridge and is banging in goals for fun. I watched their last couple of highlights and I couldn't believe I was watching the same player - he can even run with the ball at his feet! Sometimes, for whatever reason, players get into a mental 'hole', whereupon taking them out of that environment completely and putting them somewhere else sorts it out. it doesn't always work but with Flish it might be worth a go. Jay wouldn't have many problems finding clubs who would take him on loan, that's for sure. It might not be the reason but to me I watch an Alex Flisher that struggle to make the runs he did, is not as athletic as he was, cannot jump for headers as well as he did and looks dead after an hour. From that I put two and two together to make my conclusion.
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