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Post by jdl on Jan 1, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
A lot of the team seemed scared to shoot at the goal, We had 20 shots on goal today!! You cant have that many shots and only score one goal.....simply not good enough True, but not the whole story. Our defence was also not up to it. Dover's was much better and their goalie was superb. We need to improve at the back as well as at the front.
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Post by MFCSTONE on Jan 1, 2017 22:00:24 GMT
I'm struggling to be positive but here goes.The biggest difference between the two sides today was Dover Athletic's clinical finishing and lady luck has not been smiling at us for a very long time.4-1 certainly flattered Dover but they deserved to win non the less.They have some class acts in the side.I thought we would take a point over Christmas,maybe picking it up at home and not at Dover was what i was expecting,but we got that point.For the rest of the season it's going to be a hard battle and if we stay up it will be as good as a promotion.If we go down we will still be playing at a decent level compared with not so long ago.Alex Flisher needs a rest or a loan move to get back his confidence.COYS !!!! Wouldn't hurt flish to go out on loan I personally think he's not quite match fit
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Post by Nick on Jan 1, 2017 22:19:22 GMT
Neither Flish or Yemi have got the qualities and goals to do the business for us between now and the end of the season OK as squad players but no better Over to you Mr Saunders
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Post by nws on Jan 2, 2017 1:05:15 GMT
Flisher is not as fit as he was. Prior to his injury he was easily on his way to being good enough at this level and probably into league 2. Since his injury he has never got his physical shape and athleticism back to where it was before. Maybe, depressingly, he never will. He looks like he needs a break and to get his diet and training sorted out.
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Post by hongkongstone on Jan 2, 2017 3:23:21 GMT
Flisher is not as fit as he was. Prior to his injury he was easily on his way to being good enough at this level and probably into league 2. Since his injury he has never got his physical shape and athleticism back to where it was before. Maybe, depressingly, he never will. He looks like he needs a break and to get his diet and training sorted out. Maybe Flisher, as we all ultimately do in the professional world, has reached his own level of inability. The point about planned diets is well made and could be applied to the whole team to gain that extra 10% (look how it worked for Wenger when he first arrived at Arsenal). However to get players to follow a planned regime of diet and exercise will almost certainly require them going professional. Is this going to happen after the ground improvements have been paid for?
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Post by senna34165 on Jan 2, 2017 8:11:37 GMT
I'm struggling to be positive but here goes.The biggest difference between the two sides today was Dover Athletic's clinical finishing and lady luck has not been smiling at us for a very long time.4-1 certainly flattered Dover but they deserved to win non the less.They have some class acts in the side.I thought we would take a point over Christmas,maybe picking it up at home and not at Dover was what i was expecting,but we got that point.For the rest of the season it's going to be a hard battle and if we stay up it will be as good as a promotion.If we go down we will still be playing at a decent level compared with not so long ago.Alex Flisher needs a rest or a loan move to get back his confidence.COYS !!!! Wouldn't hurt flish to go out on loan I personally think he's not quite match fit No way that is an insult to a legend
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Post by Tstone on Jan 2, 2017 8:54:42 GMT
Flisher is not as fit as he was. Prior to his injury he was easily on his way to being good enough at this level and probably into league 2. Since his injury he has never got his physical shape and athleticism back to where it was before. Maybe, depressingly, he never will. He looks like he needs a break and to get his diet and training sorted out. As with everything else in this league the fitness, especially of our opponents, has gone up a level. Flish still has the pace and athleticism to cause problems at National South and Ryman but the fitness levels are matched or surpassed by the players in this division. Flish's level of fitness, along with a few others in our side, has plateaued at last season's standard and would still be enough for National South, but for the National I think not.
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2017 8:58:26 GMT
seriously ? but no point, a spell in a lower league won't turn Flish into a better player just weakens our squad size a bit more, we have few enough options as it is fact is our 2 main strikers Alex and Yemi are both well short of the qualities and goals required at National League level Flish has the talent but I think he is another of our players who would benefit from the rigours of full time football. It's our best hope of prospering in this league, hopefully next season
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Post by 61666 on Jan 2, 2017 9:07:49 GMT
It will be interesting to see what side Jay picks for Guisely. Dover have little in the way of midfield, so the formation against them sort of worked, just little converted. At the home match, Guisely were all over the place in the first half and we should have gone in four up. However, they stuck at it, got the equaliser and damn near won it at the end. Overall, a poor team though and on Saturday will be without two players, suspended from Lincoln AND the fact they conceded two late goals to lose. Oh for a bit of luck, a half decent ref and a comfortable win. Time for the new striker to come in and rest Flisher? BJT to start again maybe. Is it me, or has he looked a bit off colour of late too? As for Yemi, folk say he can't finish, but scored three not long ago in the first half hour. Such small margins between success and failure. Come On You Stones
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2017 9:20:49 GMT
a lot easier to score non goals if you are in an offside position Yemi is at least a half decent player but that is about it Just look at his goalscoring record over the past 5 seasons About 1 goal every 5/6 matches and so this season is no better and no worse
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Post by daveu on Jan 2, 2017 9:33:48 GMT
Wouldn't hurt flish to go out on loan I personally think he's not quite match fit No way that is an insult to a legend Why? Something needs to be done, either to regain his form and confidence or to offload him. He can't keep trading on his local hero status for ever. At some point he has to start delivering at this level or (harsh though it seems to some people) move on. On a positive note, apart from the lack of a cutting edge, the first half was some of the best football I've seen us play this season, and with a bit more composure in front of goal could have been 2 or 3 up before Dover's first attempt. Someone said their keeper was superb, but in reality we made him look good. It's easy for a goalie to look good if you shoot straight at him with the whole goal to aim at. Oh, and all those people criticising Rogers, do you actually watch what he does? He's the one who inevitably cleans up the mess when super Pax overplays yet again in a dangerous area. If not for him Paxman would have to be a lot more circumspect and reign in his creativity. Rogers allows him to play his natural game.
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Post by sdg on Jan 2, 2017 9:50:50 GMT
No way that is an insult to a legend Why? Something needs to be done, either to regain his form and confidence or to offload him. He can't keep trading on his local hero status for ever. At some point he has to start delivering at this level or (harsh though it seems to some people) move on. On a positive note, apart from the lack of a cutting edge, the first half was some of the best football I've seen us play this season, and with a bit more composure in front of goal could have been 2 or 3 up before Dover's first attempt. Someone said their keeper was superb, but in reality we made him look good. It's easy for a goalie to look good if you shoot straight at him with the whole goal to aim at. Oh, and all those people criticising Rogers, do you actually watch what he does? He's the one who inevitably cleans up the mess when super Pax overplays yet again in a dangerous area. If not for him Paxman would have to be a lot more circumspect and reign in his creativity. Rogers allows him to play his natural game. There's the blinkered view again. Watch the whole 90 minutes back, I assure you Paxman made far more interceptions to stop them counter attacking and offered far more offensively than Rogers did. Rogers has one single job of assisting the defence, he gives them no protection at all, he never wants or demands the ball and he is involved in none of our attacking play. Just what you want from a leader? We've conceded 51 goals, the second worst in the league so he's doing a fine job isn't he! Pax may overplay at times but at least he reads the game and has the ability to rectify his mistakes. Easily our man of the match yesterday.
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2017 9:51:53 GMT
shame about digs aimed at Pax who has turned in 3 successive 8/10 performances for the team he is a much better player than daveu's history of faint praise and lukewarm posts have suggested I do agree though that Rogers does a decent covering/defensive sort of job most of the time, allowing Jack a good deal more freedom where his link up play is much improved having said that pretty sure that JP got in plenty more winning tackles and interceptions than Rogers v Dover in both matches but they actually making a good pairing in the centre of the park, this is not the problem with the team we are still leaking goals at the back and not scoring goals at the front and we are not getting any better in those areas of the game !
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Post by richstone on Jan 2, 2017 10:36:02 GMT
A lot if restrained debate today - which is good. A half decent performance let down by poor finishing and some individual mistakes - not a great combination. In my opinion three players struggled - flisher (who just looks a little short of pace and technique at this level), driver (looks vulnerable against pace) and Rogers (not mobile enough to do his role). Can't criticise the effort especially vaz, pax and loza. But we desperately need an injection of new blood - central striker, holding midfielder and probably central defence. Keep looking at those last 6 matches in April and we have to act now.
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Post by Nick on Jan 2, 2017 11:01:46 GMT
richstone is pretty much 'on the money' with his shopping list
we have just lost players of the quality of Murphy and Sweeney
so in the past couple of weeks Jay has signed
Joseph N'Guessan - a real mystery from Kilmarnock - you can do as much research as you like on this player - he has no goal scoring record for anybody that matters - is he really a better striker than either DD or LEM, both of whom we released ?
and
Harry Phipps - looks very promising for the future but is he ready to improve the team now ? - it's a big ask for the youngster
next few days will be make or break for Jay in his attempts to strengthen the team
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