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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 10:10:25 GMT
I wouldn't write Flish off yet. Maybe he needs a loan move to regain his confidence. I don't totally buy the 'not fit' thing, I know people have a snigger about his weight but he is playing regularly and really ought to be match fit by now. Things aren't going his way and his confidence looks a bit shattered. Vas went out on loan and has come back looking a different player - a few weeks ago, after a poor pre-season, people were writing him off on here. Don't be fickle - Flish is a huge talent. It's wasteful to get rid of players just because they're out of form. With the crowds we get, the pressure at the Gallagher on players who struggle is huge. I was one of the people who didn't rate Akrofi, and yet he's now gone to Tonbridge and is banging in goals for fun. I watched their last couple of highlights and I couldn't believe I was watching the same player - he can even run with the ball at his feet! Sometimes, for whatever reason, players get into a mental 'hole', whereupon taking them out of that environment completely and putting them somewhere else sorts it out. it doesn't always work but with Flish it might be worth a go. Jay wouldn't have many problems finding clubs who would take him on loan, that's for sure. It might not be the reason but to me I watch an Alex Flisher that struggle to make the runs he did, is not as athletic as he was, cannot jump for headers as well as he did and looks dead after an hour. From that I put two and two together to make my conclusion. That's a fair point but maybe in that case, someone needs to get to the bottom of why he can't get fit and fix it. The talent is still there. Towards the back end of last season he was starting to look good again but now it's gone backwards. Maybe his job doesn't help.
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Post by tim on Jan 4, 2017 10:18:37 GMT
I dont think he is fit, but not the unfit you can improve with playing! I think he's struggling with a back injury that is not helping his movement However, if you give him the break he probably needs, Flish is one of those that becomes the other kind of 'not fit' quickly, then takes a while to back to match fit! It's a dilemma that Jay is having to deal with, I'm glad it's not me, plus we need a match winner which Flish certainly can be, sometimes you play a guy more in hope!
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Post by porkystone on Jan 4, 2017 10:24:16 GMT
That's a fair point but maybe in that case, someone needs to get to the bottom of why he can't get fit and fix it. The talent is still there. Towards the back end of last season he was starting to look good again but now it's gone backwards. Maybe his job doesn't help. Just think back to Flish's sublime goal @ Tranmere last August - that's not too long ago. Can't afford to waste such a talent.
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Post by madeinstone70 on Jan 4, 2017 10:55:15 GMT
It might not be the reason but to me I watch an Alex Flisher that struggle to make the runs he did, is not as athletic as he was, cannot jump for headers as well as he did and looks dead after an hour. From that I put two and two together to make my conclusion. That's a fair point but maybe in that case, someone needs to get to the bottom of why he can't get fit and fix it. The talent is still there. Towards the back end of last season he was starting to look good again but now it's gone backwards. Maybe his job doesn't help. I think if he stopped eating so much crap food it might help!!
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Post by senna34165 on Jan 4, 2017 11:37:36 GMT
I dont think he is fit, but not the unfit you can improve with playing! I think he's struggling with a back injury that is not helping his movement However, if you give him the break he probably needs, Flish is one of those that becomes the other kind of 'not fit' quickly, then takes a while to back to match fit! It's a dilemma that Jay is having to deal with, I'm glad it's not me, plus we need a match winner which Flish certainly can be, sometimes you play a guy more in hope! [br I think you are spot on, problem flish has is does he stop Day Jon to fully recover and try and push footballing career on? That's a gamble financially?
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Post by hongkongstone on Jan 4, 2017 11:38:44 GMT
That's a fair point but maybe in that case, someone needs to get to the bottom of why he can't get fit and fix it. The talent is still there. Towards the back end of last season he was starting to look good again but now it's gone backwards. Maybe his job doesn't help. I think if he stopped eating so much crap food it might help!! I seriously believe that if we had a good dietician to advise all of the players (e.g. High carbs for the midfielders covering the park and protein for the centre forwards for power) we would gain 10% without changing the playing staff. Maybe Oliver, Terry and Bill should do the maths on this one to check the payback. BTW I am an Engineer not a dietician before anyone makes any accusations
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 12:33:04 GMT
Are people on here really experts regarding Flish's diet? Because people have seen him in a local curry house a few times or whatever, does that mean he eats too much junk food?
We all like a good curry sometimes. If he's eating the right stuff the rest of the time and burning up the calories with training, does it matter?
I used to see Flish out on training runs a lot before he got married, I presume he has moved but I have seen him many times in the past, out there with my own eyes, putting in the miles. For sure he does try.
I have long days running my business and balancing home life with kids etc. - I know from experience there is always a temptation to eat your way through tiredness. Flish has said in interviews he gets up early to go to work and can then have training or a game afterwards - that must be tough and it would naturally be difficult to stick to a very strict dietry regime in those circumstances. Tired and hungry is not a good combination.
I think he has a lot more to offer and I'd like to see that at Maidstone, not somewhere else. We have to stick by him and work it out.
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Post by madeinstone70 on Jan 4, 2017 12:38:39 GMT
Are people on here really experts regarding Flish's diet? Because people have seen him in a local curry house a few times or whatever, does that mean he eats too much junk food? We all like a good curry sometimes. If he's eating the right stuff the rest of the time and burning up the calories with training, does it matter? I used to see Flish out on training runs a lot before he got married, I presume he has moved but I have seen him many times in the past, out there with my own eyes, putting in the miles. For sure he does try. I have long days running my business and balancing home life with kids etc. - I know from experience there is always a temptation to eat your way through tiredness. Flish has said in interviews he gets up early to go to work and can then have training or a game afterwards - that must be tough and it would naturally be difficult to stick to a very strict dietry regime in those circumstances. Tired and hungry is not a good combination. I think he has a lot more to offer and I'd like to see that at Maidstone, not somewhere else. We have to stick by him and work it out. footballers that size are clearly doing something wrong, end of!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 13:06:32 GMT
Are people on here really experts regarding Flish's diet? Because people have seen him in a local curry house a few times or whatever, does that mean he eats too much junk food? We all like a good curry sometimes. If he's eating the right stuff the rest of the time and burning up the calories with training, does it matter? I used to see Flish out on training runs a lot before he got married, I presume he has moved but I have seen him many times in the past, out there with my own eyes, putting in the miles. For sure he does try. I have long days running my business and balancing home life with kids etc. - I know from experience there is always a temptation to eat your way through tiredness. Flish has said in interviews he gets up early to go to work and can then have training or a game afterwards - that must be tough and it would naturally be difficult to stick to a very strict dietry regime in those circumstances. Tired and hungry is not a good combination. I think he has a lot more to offer and I'd like to see that at Maidstone, not somewhere else. We have to stick by him and work it out. footballers that size are clearly doing something wrong, end of!! he has got a little bit of a belly still but he's quite chunky in the first place, remember. A reminder: www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/flishers-perfect-response-100746/
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Post by fleetphil on Jan 4, 2017 13:14:43 GMT
We've got one of those at Ebbsfleet.
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Post by Nick on Jan 4, 2017 13:44:23 GMT
I think Flish is one of those players who would benefit big time by being full time and giving up his day job in the building trade Jay Saunders pretty much laboured the point about how good it was going to be for the Sweens (with Barnet) and how much stronger and better he would become with a full time commitment to football Perhaps Jay was trying to get a message over to the club owners although I suspect they do not need a great deal of persuasion as to the merits (just need to find the finance)
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Post by nws on Jan 4, 2017 14:43:16 GMT
Are people on here really experts regarding Flish's diet? Because people have seen him in a local curry house a few times or whatever, does that mean he eats too much junk food? We all like a good curry sometimes. If he's eating the right stuff the rest of the time and burning up the calories with training, does it matter? I used to see Flish out on training runs a lot before he got married, I presume he has moved but I have seen him many times in the past, out there with my own eyes, putting in the miles. For sure he does try. I have long days running my business and balancing home life with kids etc. - I know from experience there is always a temptation to eat your way through tiredness. Flish has said in interviews he gets up early to go to work and can then have training or a game afterwards - that must be tough and it would naturally be difficult to stick to a very strict dietry regime in those circumstances. Tired and hungry is not a good combination. I think he has a lot more to offer and I'd like to see that at Maidstone, not somewhere else. We have to stick by him and work it out. I think you may have a good point in your fourth paragraph, Jayser. I work in something where you can sometimes end up with little sleep and totally agree that you end up eating foods that are an attempt to replace sleep. Sadly these tend to be high carb/high sugar and they affect you adversely in the long run, especially if you end up eating above daily recommended calories. It might not just be Flish's diet (or indeed at all). It might be a combination of tiredness coupled with the effects of the injury and being away from the game for a long stretch. Whatever it is he just does not look fit and hasn't done - to me - since before his injury. We have had flashes of the old Flish - the above mentioned goal at Tranmere being a case in point - but not the consistent old Flish. I would also add in the high expectations placed on him by supporters who are used to him rescuing us a little in various leagues and maybe forgetting that we are now in the National League. I would include myself in that group.
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Post by Nick on Jan 4, 2017 14:57:55 GMT
the thread seems to have turned into a scrutiny of Flish and his fitness have to agree with nws assessment 100% I guess not so long ago Alex would have been first name on the team sheet not so any longer post by 61666 earlier in this thread named 7 best performing players - spot on in my opinion "Ignoring the jibes that a few simply cannot exist without, it has been interesting to see some creative thinking of late, in particular not so much who is out, but who do you keep? Worgan, of course. Mills coping well, gets beaten at times but that is what forwards do to defenders. Lokko has something about him. Paxman, definite, likewise BJT, Loza and Vaz".
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Post by jakeyboi on Jan 4, 2017 15:50:21 GMT
Then why the hell does JS keep picking him ahead of others that are fit In the hope that he will get fit, because he is seen as something indispensable, I don't know. It would be great to see him back to where he was before his injury. I hope we do. Maybe we never will. Sadly my old mate I think them days are behind him now, I personally think as I,ve said before he could do a job in midfield breaking up attacks an spreading the ball about. but his days up front I think are gone.
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Post by daveu on Jan 4, 2017 15:54:58 GMT
In the hope that he will get fit, because he is seen as something indispensable, I don't know. It would be great to see him back to where he was before his injury. I hope we do. Maybe we never will. Sadly my old mate I think them days are behind him now, I personally think as I,ve said before he could do a job in midfield breaking up attacks an spreading the ball about. but his days up front I think are gone. I agree to an extent but he needs to work on his tackling, otherwise he could be facing a disciplinary nightmare. Not that he's necessarily a bad tackler, and maybe playing in a more defensive role might iron out any issues he has, but he does have a tendency to pick up yellow cards by being a bit over eager when tackling.
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