Supporter behaviour!

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Surprisingly, ground grading does not mention seats for visiting fans.

The 30 Genco seats must have been a “nice to have” when money was available.

www.thefa.com/-/media/thefacom-new/files/get-involved/2022/tm0273-ground-grading-handbook-v18_lo-res.ashx

Providing away seats would finish the ground nicely for the long term back in the NL.

But the owners could decide they’ve spent enough and will only do the bare minimum.

[Dan]

I think you are right.

Maybe this season will be the one when ownership eventually transfers.

We have a lot to be grateful for in respect of Terry and Oliver.

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Sept 8, 2024 16:30:34 GMT Dan said:

I think you are right.

Maybe this season will be the one when ownership eventually transfers.

We have a lot to be grateful for in respect of Terry and Oliver.

Very true. Visiting Enfield really brought that home. Usually when I go away, I'm either impressed by the ground/stadium, or a little jealous of those 'proper' grounds you still get at our level. But Enfield was a real shock - a council-owned, multi-purpose stadium, with the pitch the other side of a running track, the 'main stand' even further back, no terracing, very little cover, and an open aspect that reminded me of watching my boys play on Sunday mornings - I'd had to be there in a freezing, windy day in January!

No disrespect to Enfield, it was good to see them back at a senior level after all their travails, and it's a nice friendly club with decent old-school fans. But I wouldn't want to go there every other Saturday, especially in the winter.

It's all too easy to take our wonderful stadium for granted, but, without Oliver and Terry, we'd be somewhere like that, or probably worse.

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Sept 8, 2024 15:12:35 GMT Benny said:

Providing away seats would finish the ground nicely for the long term back in the NL.

But the owners could decide they’ve spent enough and will only do the bare minimum.

We do need to think about the way the club is run when we add things like this to the wish list and the average attendance figures last year.
Sure, we were 2nd in numbers reported-the average being 1134, ours being 2146. within that number are youths who are free, concessions and full price-conservative estimate @ £14 per head =>£30k per match. Squad size is circa 30, plus the Management team. A lot of wages.

The owners have made no secret as to their keenest for more money to come into the club by way of whatever means, its just that they are unlikely to have over the reigns for what would-be investors thought they might get it. 

All this impacts directly of the quality of the squad and having lost at least 10 from last season, its going to be a climb-up. It would have been very lucky for us if the whole plan worked from day one, but a new squad is going to take some bedding-in.

Nice-to-haves will have to wait, Im afraid. Theres more important considerations than seats for the Genco.

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I wonder if the club would look for input from fans again like they did with the Genco / Bricks on the stand / names on the wall funding a few years ago? My guess would be no - I imagine they want more long term investment at this point but it would be interesting to see if they want some short term backing how many would get behind them.

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All the pointers suggest the owners are only interested in a long term solution.
I think there is a decent chance that could happen this season.
Fingers crossed

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I’m happy the owners have been so cautious about who they sell to/get investment from. It shows a clear desire to leave the club in safe hands, and if that costs us a lack of success in the short term then so be it. All the “Ash out” brigade, if they exist, should stop to think about what sort of owners we could end up with if Oliver and Terry weren’t so cautious and just sold out to the first person who showed an interest.

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Pretty sure all the lotto, share schemes, bricks, appeals etc failed to secure the desired money. It’s always been down to the owners. The only way they’ll get their money back is by selling up, or running it very basically for the next ten years. That’s just football finances. Be very careful what you wish for when you chant Ash out. You could end up with a lot worse. Just out of interest, why is it never Casey or Williams out?

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Sept 9, 2024 10:16:55 GMT daveu said:

I’m happy the owners have been so cautious about who they sell to/get investment from. It shows a clear desire to leave the club in safe hands, and if that costs us a lack of success in the short term then so be it. All the “Ash out” brigade, if they exist, should stop to think about what sort of owners we could end up with if Oliver and Terry weren’t so cautious and just sold out to the first person who showed an interest.

Twitter is littered with Ash / Casey, etc out posts anytime we lose. Those calling for the owners to go 6 or 7 games into the season need some perspective considering we've had, what, 2 promotions and a genuinely once in a lifetime cup run in the last decade. Spoilt.

I have a friend who bemoans any game that isn't an end to end thriller, every single time. People have the expectations that football should be entertaining no matter what, which is rarely the case.

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Sept 9, 2024 9:53:51 GMT @boris said:

All the pointers suggest the owners are only interested in a long term solution.
I think there is a decent chance that could happen this season.
Fingers crossed

Once he is removed from the board of The Gills, I suppose the purchase will be finalised.

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Sept 9, 2024 11:05:55 GMT Benny said:

Pretty sure all the lotto, share schemes, bricks, appeals etc failed to secure the desired money. It’s always been down to the owners. The only way they’ll get their money back is by selling up, or running it very basically for the next ten years. That’s just football finances. Be very careful what you wish for when you chant Ash out. You could end up with a lot worse. Just out of interest, why is it never Casey or Williams out?

On the other hand, some clubs manage with fan ownership - Enfield being a case in point (you can become a shareholder for as little as £1).

If you can get as far as NS on that sort of 'investment' (or even further in Wimbledon's case - if they are still fan owned?), then why can't some form of mixed investment work?

Oliver and Terry would remain in control, but others could buy shares, and perhaps have some sort of input to decisions if they have a significant number of shares?

I'm pretty sure this sort of thing has been tried - but, I suspect, without much success. If that's so, why doesn't it tend to work?

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Sept 9, 2024 16:59:40 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Sept 9, 2024 11:05:55 GMT Benny said:

Pretty sure all the lotto, share schemes, bricks, appeals etc failed to secure the desired money. It’s always been down to the owners. The only way they’ll get their money back is by selling up, or running it very basically for the next ten years. That’s just football finances. Be very careful what you wish for when you chant Ash out. You could end up with a lot worse. Just out of interest, why is it never Casey or Williams out?

On the other hand, some clubs manage with fan ownership - Enfield being a case in point (you can become a shareholder for as little as £1).

If you can get as far as NS on that sort of 'investment' (or even further in Wimbledon's case - if they are still fan owned?), then why can't some form of mixed investment work?

Oliver and Terry would remain in control, but others could buy shares, and perhaps have some sort of input to decisions if they have a significant number of shares?

I'm pretty sure this sort of thing has been tried - but, I suspect, without much success. If that's so, why doesn't it tend to work?

Pretty sure it has been tried but there was never enough uptake to make it worthwhile. Maybe Enfield and AFC Wimbledon have richer supporters.

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Sept 9, 2024 15:12:40 GMT pwoodstone said:

Sept 9, 2024 9:53:51 GMT @boris said:

All the pointers suggest the owners are only interested in a long term solution.
I think there is a decent chance that could happen this season.
Fingers crossed

Once he is removed from the board of The Gills, I suppose the purchase will be finalised.

'Barking up the wrong tree'

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Sept 9, 2024 16:59:40 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Sept 9, 2024 11:05:55 GMT Benny said:

Pretty sure all the lotto, share schemes, bricks, appeals etc failed to secure the desired money. It’s always been down to the owners. The only way they’ll get their money back is by selling up, or running it very basically for the next ten years. That’s just football finances. Be very careful what you wish for when you chant Ash out. You could end up with a lot worse. Just out of interest, why is it never Casey or Williams out?

On the other hand, some clubs manage with fan ownership - Enfield being a case in point (you can become a shareholder for as little as £1).

If you can get as far as NS on that sort of 'investment' (or even further in Wimbledon's case - if they are still fan owned?), then why can't some form of mixed investment work?

Oliver and Terry would remain in control, but others could buy shares, and perhaps have some sort of input to decisions if they have a significant number of shares?

I'm pretty sure this sort of thing has been tried - but, I suspect, without much success. If that's so, why doesn't it tend to work?

Exeter City are a good example of this and currently flourishing in League One

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All change in the Town End.

Do we reckon part seat part standing?

Or home and away sections?