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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 16:29:46 GMT
No miracle Dan. If we had the money and set up and ability to stay an NL side and were hell bent on avoiding the drop as I fit one was hoping then Haks record this year would have meant a Christmas sacking. However Oliver’s sobering Xmas message made it quite clear we dont have the money and set up for NL and ate punching above our weight and therefore are unlikely to be able to replace Hak. Also as an NLS championship winning boss we may well need him near year if we get relegated. Not a miracle just an acceptance of reality. Whenever one of the complainers from the 'SACK HAK' hate mob accepts the reality, a miracle has taken place. Seriously?! Oldboy73 is one of the mildest mannered posters on here - he just happens to hold a different opinion to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 16:59:15 GMT
As for 'the reality', well, looking at the table and the past half-season, the reality is that we are going to get relegated.
All the gains of last year will be lost, and any hopes of the club earning a decent amount of gate money will go down the toilet - who the hell is going to come to JWW to watch a club spending 4 miserable months getting relegated?
Although we are currently just out of relegation, that's purely because we have played more games. The reality is that, on a points-per-game basis, we are 22nd. On FWP's predicted end of the season table, we end up 23rd.
It looks like at least 46 points will be needed to avoid relegation, which means we need 25 points from the remaning 21 games - 1.19 points per game. Our current record is 0.84, so we need a 42% increase in performance. And that's just to survive - and assumes that none of the clubs under us will stage a new manager/owners last-minute revial.
So, given that we are in such deep shite, what should we do? Soldier on, hope for the best, pretend it isn't happening, whinge on and on about 'loyalty', label other fans as 'haters' and blame them? Or do something that might just significantly change our fortunes?
And, right now, looking at reality, not fantasy dreams about loyalty and being a NL-NS 'yo-yo' club (what sort of ambition is that?), the only hope I can see is to change managers.
It might not work, of course. But at least it gives us a chance - and some hope.
I don't 'hate' Hak (I don't even know the bloke), but nor do I owe him any loyalty. He is employed to keep us in the NL, and if he can't do that, he should go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 17:16:49 GMT
As for 'the reality', well, looking at the table and the past half-season, the reality is that we are going to get relegated. All the gains of last year will be lost, and any hopes of the club earning a decent amount of gate money will go down the toilet - who the hell is going to come to JWW to watch a club spending 4 miserable months getting relegated? Although we are currently just out of relegation, that's purely because we have played more games. The reality is that, on a points-per-game basis, we are 22nd. On FWP's predicted end of the season table, we end up 23rd. It looks like at least 46 points will be needed to avoid relegation, which means we need 25 points from the remaning 21 games - 1.19 points per game. Our current record is 0.84, so we need a 42% increase in performance. And that's just to survive - and assumes that none of the clubs under us will stage a new manager/owners last-minute revial. So, given that we are in such deep shite, what should we do? Soldier on, hope for the best, pretend it isn't happening, whinge on and on about 'loyalty', label other fans as 'haters' and blame them? Or do something that might just significantly change our fortunes? And, right now, looking at reality, not fantasy dreams about loyalty and being a NL-NS 'yo-yo' club (what sort of ambition is that?), the only hope I can see is to change managers. It might not work, of course. But at least it gives us a chance - and some hope. I don't 'hate' Hak (I don't even know the bloke), but nor do I owe him any loyalty. He is employed to keep us in the NL, and if he can't do that, he should go. All fair enough. The “reality” as you put it, spelt out in clear stats. Paints (most of) the picture for exactly where we are right now. As you say, choice to be made. I would rather stick with Hak. There are shoots of recovery. There are better performances and more stable team selections (basically reverting to last seasons team where he can). My opinion is based on my outlook in football. I am more disposed to give a manager a season, like in the olden days. If he wasn’t good enough then get a new man in for next. If we do get a new man in, then I think Hak can have no complaints. It would be the usual reaction to our run. New manager bounce and new approach etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 17:18:56 GMT
Whenever one of the complainers from the 'SACK HAK' hate mob accepts the reality, a miracle has taken place. Seriously?! Oldboy73 is one of the mildest mannered posters on here - he just happens to hold a different opinion to you. Quite. The forum is for discussion and it would be very boring if we all agreed. Some of the “Hak out” opinions had “Hak out” opinions in October / November last season and they turned out wrong. I have a feeling some “Back Hak” fans will be in a similar situation at the end of the season |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 19:24:09 GMT
Fair points swordy although I think you exagerate a bit on tactics, subs and attitude of players. Nobody gets it right all the time and you can always look back on a few matches that could have been turned if - - -. Not sure why you say it is imperative the club avoids relegation. Looking back to our seasons in NLS, they were pretty enjoyable. Hoofing the ball is not a tactic it's an I'm clueless what to do answer. I've seen only 3 games this season and we were f**king awful in all of them with the players not giving enough and in the case of Needham Market no effort at all. I judge from the comments on this forum that this has happened on fair few occasions.Az for substitutions the whole crowd can see a player having a nightmare except Hak who will then proceed ti take your best player off and replace him with somebody hopeless. Imperative for the clubs finances that we survive this season, we don't want all that money to have been completely wasted,relegation could mean an extended spell in the NLS and though that would not worry me it would worry the rest of our support and before you know it another drop in gates. |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 28, 2022 19:38:09 GMT
Whenever one of the complainers from the 'SACK HAK' hate mob accepts the reality, a miracle has taken place. Seriously?! Oldboy73 is one of the mildest mannered posters on here - he just happens to hold a different opinion to you. Very kind of you JDL. Appreciated. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 21:02:41 GMT
Fair points swordy although I think you exagerate a bit on tactics, subs and attitude of players. Nobody gets it right all the time and you can always look back on a few matches that could have been turned if - - -. Not sure why you say it is imperative the club avoids relegation. Looking back to our seasons in NLS, they were pretty enjoyable. Hoofing the ball is not a tactic it's an I'm clueless what to do answer. I've seen only 3 games this season and we were f**king awful in all of them with the players not giving enough and in the case of Needham Market no effort at all. I judge from the comments on this forum that this has happened on fair few occasions.Az for substitutions the whole crowd can see a player having a nightmare except Hak who will then proceed ti take your best player off and replace him with somebody hopeless. Imperative for the clubs finances that we survive this season, we don't want all that money to have been completely wasted,relegation could mean an extended spell in the NLS and though that would not worry me it would worry the rest of our support and before you know it another drop in gates. I think we make more money in the NLS. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 28, 2022 22:47:31 GMT
"the 'SACK HAK' hate mob"Seriously?! Oldboy73 is one of the mildest mannered posters on here - he just happens to hold a different opinion to you. Very kind of you JDL. Appreciated. Lol ! Very gallant of jdl to come galloping to your resue. But was it necessary ? The arch Hak critic in this forum is jdl not you, somebody that wants rid of our manager without ever having had a conversation with the guy or shaking his hand. Truly an invisible Assassin ! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2022 22:52:07 GMT
Hoofing the ball is not a tactic it's an I'm clueless what to do answer. I've seen only 3 games this season and we were f**king awful in all of them with the players not giving enough and in the case of Needham Market no effort at all. I judge from the comments on this forum that this has happened on fair few occasions.Az for substitutions the whole crowd can see a player having a nightmare except Hak who will then proceed ti take your best player off and replace him with somebody hopeless. Imperative for the clubs finances that we survive this season, we don't want all that money to have been completely wasted,relegation could mean an extended spell in the NLS and though that would not worry me it would worry the rest of our support and before you know it another drop in gates. I think we make more money in the NLS. Very true. Im not sure why swordy thinks we are financially better off in the National League. In the NLS we had higher attendances, reduced travel costs, greater beer sales, less security and a lower wage bill. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 0:12:53 GMT
Very kind of you JDL. Appreciated. Lol ! Very gallant of jdl to come galloping to your resue. But was it necessary ? The arch Hak critic in this forum is jdl not you, somebody that wants rid of our manager without ever having had a conversation with the guy or shaking his hand. Truly an invisible Assassin ! I think the word hate is what he was taking exception to. It’s nothing personal |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 2:48:09 GMT
I think we make more money in the NLS. Very true. Im not sure why swordy thinks we are financially better off in the National League. In the NLS we had higher attendances, reduced travel costs, greater beer sales, less security and a lower wage bill. If the rumors are true that next year the National League will become EFL3 with 3 up abs 3 down then we would get a share of EFL funding which must be more than we get now plus if we survive then once and for all the EFL would have to make a decision on 3G pitches snd should they decide against it then we could lay grass instead of forking out on another plastic pitch. This would keep the glory boys happy because they want EFL football and our gates would begin to swell again. All this of course depends on the rumours being true ,3up and 3 down may come next season but not sure about the EFL bit,that may take a few more seasons si I think it would be better for the club to survive and be involved in the shake up as opposed to being relegated back to the NLS. |
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Post by jackster on Dec 29, 2022 8:05:42 GMT
Lol ! Very gallant of jdl to come galloping to your resue. But was it necessary ? The arch Hak critic in this forum is jdl not you, somebody that wants rid of our manager without ever having had a conversation with the guy or shaking his hand. Truly an invisible Assassin ! I think the word hate is what he was taking exception to. It’s nothing personal Fair point. After all, how can you hate somebody you have never spoken to, never met and never shaken hands ? |
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Post by Dickie on Dec 29, 2022 8:09:40 GMT
Except I think the crowman's comments are real and valid.
Rumours eh. Not worth tuppence
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 8:45:58 GMT
I think the word hate is what he was taking exception to. It’s nothing personal Fair point. After all, how can you hate somebody you have never spoken to, never met and never shaken hands ? I hate Putin, Ronaldo… |
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 29, 2022 13:00:27 GMT
I think the word hate is what he was taking exception to. It’s nothing personal Fair point. After all, how can you hate somebody you have never spoken to, never met and never shaken hands ? I have actually met Hak just the once and on that occasion and found him a bit aloof and stand offish - almost rude - but this was when he had just taken over from John Still and George Elokobi seemed to be the driving force and No1 personality at a pre-season jolly so Hak was kind of on the sidelines. Oh for a bit of Big George passion in the dressing room right now! However, this is not personal at all. Nice guy or pillock, Hak is the Stones manager and so the buck stops with him when the team/squad are massive under achievers in the league they are in and if they are only at best punching above their weight - especially if the Manager did have the chance to recruit players suitable for this league. This is why I used to be a "sack Hak" person as I am passionate about the club, looked at his record this year, didn't want them to get relegated and thought a new, more NL savvy and successful manager by January 1st could save us. This was before Olivers message which brought me down to earth with a bump and realised that we seem to be stuck with both the NLS+ (i.e. too good for NLS but not good enough for NL) level playing squad we have (excluding Galvin and Barden who are EFL) and the NLS+ Manager we have, and that relegation is the most likely outcome for us this year. So I will be at the Daggers home match with no expectations from the boys at all it but passionately cheering my plucky underdogs - including Hak - to try to get something from the game, as that's what good supporters do. The only change to this situation would be if a meg-rich third party came in with loads of dosh to throw at the club, but as we know from other clubs, unless that third party still uses the kind of financial sense that Oliver and Terry have instilled, that could end badly. It would be great if Oliver or Terry had a rich relative that could join the management team! Without that, come on everybody, lets fill the Gallagher - especially the Genco - on January 2nd, buy beers and pies and stuff to help fund the club, find our best chanting voices and cheer like its an FA Cup tie. You never know, that may be just what the boys need to make the second half of the season a different proposition and to scrape survival! Come on you Stones and Happy New Year! |
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