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Post by jdl on Aug 14, 2022 23:24:37 GMT
Are you serious jdl ? You saw Tom Hadler doing the business seriously well throughout most of last season and now you think Mersin is equal or better.As for half the supportes liking one and half the supporters liking the other. Not in the World outside of this forum. Did I say that? My point was simply that Hak has chosen to have two first-team goalies, so he's got to play both. Whatever the hysterical reactions from the fans.
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Post by Raymondo316 on Aug 14, 2022 23:42:46 GMT
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Post by jdh80 on Aug 15, 2022 5:44:47 GMT
I like Hadler as a keeper, but I've not seen anything in Mersin in the two starts that he has made that says he should not be our Number 1 keeper, yes Hadler was number 1 last season and that was our title wining team, but IMO Mersin just edges the choice but it is a very close call. Waits for the crowd to start shouting what about the kick in the later part of the second half where he gave it away, yeah and you were probably the same ones shouting about Hadler being crap in the early stages of last season and questioning his ability from free kicks etc and look how well he turned out for us.
York started the game with a lot of the ball but didn't do much with it, it was also at this time that we seemed to go back to our tactic of "oooo we have a big guy up front lets hoof it", and as for the goal TWO massive mistakes by the defence firstly allowing the player to get a cross in and then the defence losing their man and jumping underneath the cross. After their goal and once we settled down we played some really good football Deacon, Corne and Booty at the centre of it all, but that spell in the second half Deacon was unplayable for their defence. Like others have said the subs also made an impact and whilst many of us don't think Pattison will score lots of goals one of the things he does bring is pace and workrate.
I was concerned with Cawley in the pre-season games as there were a number of mistakes but he won every header against York. Felt Woods had a bit of a hard time from the ref, yeah he went down easily for the penalty appeal and was booked but there were so many times where he had jumped to head the ball and was pushed by a York player whilst in the air and nothing given yet he did it and the ref blew up right away. Fawole also put in a good shift in his short time on the pitch another guy who will work for the team and has some pace about him. When i read our line-up I thought we might've gone for a 3-5-2 system with Hoyte and Deacon as wingbacks a central defensive three of Fowler, Ellul and Cawley and a Central two up top with Alabi and Barham, but we stayed 4-3-3 and like many other games Hak proved he knew what he was doing.
For York, John-Lewis header (despite our mistakes) was a quality header into the corner no keeper saves that, I did have a feeling that Ross's time wasting would come back and bite him on the backside but I didn't think it would be as glorious as it was, I was expecting maybe a yellow card and an equaliser at the most, not two quick fire strikes to give us a hard fought victory.
In terms of other things I learnt from the York game, our fans are getting dumber Evidence 1: At half time the club shop was busy, and instead of people waiting outside to let those inside out before trying to barge in they stood blocking the doorway trying to get in stopping people from getting out (Well done Genius) Evidence 2: When we were still 0-1 down, a shot/cross ended up in our fans in the Genco and instead of throwing the ball back to the pitch we had fans throwing the ball backwards to the top of the Genco and throwing it around, hello, dummies we're losing at the time and you want to be idiots.
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Post by Rob on Aug 15, 2022 7:16:07 GMT
Good post except for the point about Hadler not deserving to be our number 1 keeper. The gap between Hadler and Mersin is wide enough. Over a season its going to cost plenty.
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Post by Stonethecrow on Aug 15, 2022 7:18:08 GMT
Some supporters have short memories Rob
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Post by steveh21 on Aug 15, 2022 7:22:53 GMT
I like Hadler as a keeper, but I've not seen anything in Mersin in the two starts that he has made that says he should not be our Number 1 keeper, yes Hadler was number 1 last season and that was our title wining team, but IMO Mersin just edges the choice but it is a very close call. Waits for the crowd to start shouting what about the kick in the later part of the second half where he gave it away, yeah and you were probably the same ones shouting about Hadler being crap in the early stages of last season and questioning his ability from free kicks etc and look how well he turned out for us. York started the game with a lot of the ball but didn't do much with it, it was also at this time that we seemed to go back to our tactic of "oooo we have a big guy up front lets hoof it", and as for the goal TWO massive mistakes by the defence firstly allowing the player to get a cross in and then the defence losing their man and jumping underneath the cross. After their goal and once we settled down we played some really good football Deacon, Corne and Booty at the centre of it all, but that spell in the second half Deacon was unplayable for their defence. Like others have said the subs also made an impact and whilst many of us don't think Pattison will score lots of goals one of the things he does bring is pace and workrate. I was concerned with Cawley in the pre-season games as there were a number of mistakes but he won every header against York. Felt Woods had a bit of a hard time from the ref, yeah he went down easily for the penalty appeal and was booked but there were so many times where he had jumped to head the ball and was pushed by a York player whilst in the air and nothing given yet he did it and the ref blew up right away. Fawole also put in a good shift in his short time on the pitch another guy who will work for the team and has some pace about him. When i read our line-up I thought we might've gone for a 3-5-2 system with Hoyte and Deacon as wingbacks a central defensive three of Fowler, Ellul and Cawley and a Central two up top with Alabi and Barham, but we stayed 4-3-3 and like many other games Hak proved he knew what he was doing. For York, John-Lewis header (despite our mistakes) was a quality header into the corner no keeper saves that, I did have a feeling that Ross's time wasting would come back and bite him on the backside but I didn't think it would be as glorious as it was, I was expecting maybe a yellow card and an equaliser at the most, not two quick fire strikes to give us a hard fought victory. In terms of other things I learnt from the York game, our fans are getting dumber Evidence 1: At half time the club shop was busy, and instead of people waiting outside to let those inside out before trying to barge in they stood blocking the doorway trying to get in stopping people from getting out (Well done Genius) Evidence 2: When we were still 0-1 down, a shot/cross ended up in our fans in the Genco and instead of throwing the ball back to the pitch we had fans throwing the ball backwards to the top of the Genco and throwing it around, hello, dummies we're losing at the time and you want to be idiots. Very sensible post. I think people forget the trouble Hadler had with freekick this time last year and how people got on his back. Mersin is doing fine in my book and we should get behind him until Hak decides to make a change.
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Post by jackster on Aug 15, 2022 7:24:14 GMT
jdl normally supports his more outlandish comments with some evidence to back them up. We had a long and successful season, surely there are statistics to prove the case for either Mersin or Hadler. Over to you jdl, prove the case for Mersin.
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Post by Dickie on Aug 15, 2022 7:29:09 GMT
I like Hadler as a keeper, but I've not seen anything in Mersin in the two starts that he has made that says he should not be our Number 1 keeper, yes Hadler was number 1 last season and that was our title wining team, but IMO Mersin just edges the choice but it is a very close call. Waits for the crowd to start shouting what about the kick in the later part of the second half where he gave it away, yeah and you were probably the same ones shouting about Hadler being crap in the early stages of last season and questioning his ability from free kicks etc and look how well he turned out for us. York started the game with a lot of the ball but didn't do much with it, it was also at this time that we seemed to go back to our tactic of "oooo we have a big guy up front lets hoof it", and as for the goal TWO massive mistakes by the defence firstly allowing the player to get a cross in and then the defence losing their man and jumping underneath the cross. After their goal and once we settled down we played some really good football Deacon, Corne and Booty at the centre of it all, but that spell in the second half Deacon was unplayable for their defence. Like others have said the subs also made an impact and whilst many of us don't think Pattison will score lots of goals one of the things he does bring is pace and workrate. I was concerned with Cawley in the pre-season games as there were a number of mistakes but he won every header against York. Felt Woods had a bit of a hard time from the ref, yeah he went down easily for the penalty appeal and was booked but there were so many times where he had jumped to head the ball and was pushed by a York player whilst in the air and nothing given yet he did it and the ref blew up right away. Fawole also put in a good shift in his short time on the pitch another guy who will work for the team and has some pace about him. When i read our line-up I thought we might've gone for a 3-5-2 system with Hoyte and Deacon as wingbacks a central defensive three of Fowler, Ellul and Cawley and a Central two up top with Alabi and Barham, but we stayed 4-3-3 and like many other games Hak proved he knew what he was doing. For York, John-Lewis header (despite our mistakes) was a quality header into the corner no keeper saves that, I did have a feeling that Ross's time wasting would come back and bite him on the backside but I didn't think it would be as glorious as it was, I was expecting maybe a yellow card and an equaliser at the most, not two quick fire strikes to give us a hard fought victory. In terms of other things I learnt from the York game, our fans are getting dumber Evidence 1: At half time the club shop was busy, and instead of people waiting outside to let those inside out before trying to barge in they stood blocking the doorway trying to get in stopping people from getting out (Well done Genius) Evidence 2: When we were still 0-1 down, a shot/cross ended up in our fans in the Genco and instead of throwing the ball back to the pitch we had fans throwing the ball backwards to the top of the Genco and throwing it around, hello, dummies we're losing at the time and you want to be idiots. Very sensible post. I think people forget the trouble Hadler had with freekick this time last year and how people got on his back. Mersin is doing fine in my book and we should get behind him until Hak decides to make a change. What ? This is August 2022 not October 2021. Hadler had a great season in goal. A key player in the best defence in the league. He proved himself time and time again. I recall his performances over all his matches, not just those where he under-performed.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 15, 2022 8:12:28 GMT
On Mersin, he was not at fault for the goal, but there were a couple of distribution errors that could easily have resulted in York getting a second, or even a third, so hope he can sort that out, as Hadler did with the free kicks last season. Still think our set up wasn't right at the start on Saturday. James Alabi looks a strong, whole hearted player, likewise Woods, who put up with a lot of grief from York's defenders. However, we looked so much better when Dom and Christie came on and it seemed to enable Corne, Hoyte and Deacon (who was superb second half), the space to work a bit of magic. Until we get JB-W back, the defence isn't as well balanced. Fowler is ok as a stopper at right back, but offers little going forward. Only one game, but think last season's team would have won more comfortably against York.
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Post by deadly on Aug 15, 2022 9:11:28 GMT
Well said numbers.
Tom Hadler still number 1 imo
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Post by hongkongstone on Aug 15, 2022 9:25:46 GMT
Mersin makes good saves but has still looked shaky plenty of times and it just doesn't inspire confidence. As for his distribution. Do me a favour. Did you miss his passing out direct to a York forward, who was so surprised he muffed the chance ? We got lucky, that's all. I am sure Mersin is a good shot stopper and has a good reach being tall but the most frustrating thing for me is that he hoofs the ball up the pitch every time whether it is a goal kick, save or pass back. This then makes it a 50% ball for our own players every time. Surely it is better to keep possession? Can he not throw a ball to his own players as any keeper should be able to easily do so and as seen in the EPL games yesterday PM? They rarely just hoofed the ball forward but tried to keep possession and use it.
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Post by daveu on Aug 15, 2022 9:49:51 GMT
Shocking ! Searching the archives for some distant record of when Hadler could have done better. Talk about scraping the barrel. Not going to rubbish Mersin in the way that you skate Hadler. For me Tom is Stones number 1. Not searching the archives, Jesus. If you're gonna point out all Mersin's mistakes you got to do the same with Hadler. I'm not slating Hadler, just trying to apply a bit of balance. Neither of our keepers is without faults, otherwise they wouldn't be playing non-league. I trust Hak to know what he's doing and he must have reasons for picking Mersin at the moment. It could be something as simple as physical presence. Hadler's a big bloke but Mersin towers above him. Whatever the reason we should stand by the manager's decision and not crucify Mersin who's barely put a foot wrong.
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Post by daveu on Aug 15, 2022 9:54:02 GMT
I didn't realize we had so many professional football managers among our supporters.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 15, 2022 10:24:37 GMT
I personally don't give a shit who is in goal as long as they do the job ok.
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Post by Dickie on Aug 15, 2022 11:17:59 GMT
Shocking ! Searching the archives for some distant record of when Hadler could have done better. Talk about scraping the barrel. Not going to rubbish Mersin in the way that you skate Hadler. For me Tom is Stones number 1. Not searching the archives, Jesus. If you're gonna point out all Mersin's mistakes you got to do the same with Hadler. I'm not slating Hadler, just trying to apply a bit of balance. Neither of our keepers is without faults, otherwise they wouldn't be playing non-league. I trust Hak to know what he's doing and he must have reasons for picking Mersin at the moment. It could be something as simple as physical presence. Hadler's a big bloke but Mersin towers above him. Whatever the reason we should stand by the manager's decision and not crucify Mersin who's barely put a foot wrong. Dont think its physical presence. Tom Hadler is the stronger looking of the 2 keepers. Nobody but nobody us rubbishing Mersin. Funny u dont have the stats
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