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Post by Terry on Dec 1, 2021 18:29:50 GMT
I reckon Barham and Grant should be renamed 'the unlikely lads'. It is a mystery how they run through a succession of clubs, all prepared to take them on for a season, achieve very little, then move on again for another pay-day, from yet another club. As Jayser suggests strikers who make a difference are an expensive asset that seem to be beyond the club's pocket. Somehow Hak has got to be just plain lucky with his next striker signing or discover the ability of turning water into wine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 18:40:53 GMT
I reckon Barham and Grant should be renamed 'the unlikely lads'. It is a mystery how they run through a succession of clubs, all prepared to take them on for a season, achieve very little, then move on again for another pay-day, from yet another club. As Jayser suggests strikers who make a difference are an expensive asset that seem to be beyond the club's pocket. Somehow Hak has got to be just plain lucky with his next striker signing or discover the ability of turning water into wine. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, my view is that you take a punt on a prolific scorer from the level below. There are players banging in goals at Ryman clubs. You can never guarantee they will be as successful stepping up a level but what is there to lose trying? . What harm could you do letting a couple of the duds go, and replacing them with one striker from a step down who has ten plus goals this season? Worst case scenario, they can’t cut it but what have you to lose when the rest of them can’t score?
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Post by sword65 on Dec 1, 2021 19:38:58 GMT
A point that I posted on page 5 of this thread 17 hours ago. Wake up Nick,it's a beautiful morning 🎶🎶🎶 I'm happy your feeling so happy today (even if it is only because you have put one over on me). But did you know of his brief flirtation with Horsham prior to stepping down even further by joining the orrible mangles I did because I nearly went to watch them the weekend to see how he was doing.
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Post by daveu on Dec 1, 2021 20:53:42 GMT
I reckon Barham and Grant should be renamed 'the unlikely lads'. It is a mystery how they run through a succession of clubs, all prepared to take them on for a season, achieve very little, then move on again for another pay-day, from yet another club. As Jayser suggests strikers who make a difference are an expensive asset that seem to be beyond the club's pocket. Somehow Hak has got to be just plain lucky with his next striker signing or discover the ability of turning water into wine. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, my view is that you take a punt on a prolific scorer from the level below. There are players banging in goals at Ryman clubs. You can never guarantee they will be as successful stepping up a level but what is there to lose trying? . What harm could you do letting a couple of the duds go, and replacing them with one striker from a step down who has ten plus goals this season? Worst case scenario, they can’t cut it but what have you to lose when the rest of them can’t score? Ter Horst and Embury were both prolific Isthmian strikers (Ter Horst via Hull U23s), neither of whom managed the step up, so experimenting with lower league strikers hasn't paid dividends so far.
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Post by Nick on Dec 1, 2021 21:46:03 GMT
Not yet, but it has to be a potential source of recruitment. No guarantees but what is there to lose if the other option is to recruit flops from higher leagues. But in truth that's not always the case either, so for Hak he just has to go on mining for stardust, it's hard work and comes with more failures than successes.
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Post by benny49 on Dec 1, 2021 22:30:10 GMT
There is a striker who spends a lot of time on the bench for Ipswich who might benefit from some game time if we could get him on loan. Here's a clue, his initials are JP. A Joe Piggott scored for Fylde at the weekend. Is it him out on loan or another Joe Piggott?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 22:50:09 GMT
There is a striker who spends a lot of time on the bench for Ipswich who might benefit from some game time if we could get him on loan. Here's a clue, his initials are JP. A Joe Piggott scored for Fylde at the weekend. Is it him out on loan or another Joe Piggott? Not the same guy
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Post by swampy on Dec 2, 2021 3:20:32 GMT
A Joe Piggott scored for Fylde at the weekend. Is it him out on loan or another Joe Piggott? Not the same guy Also spelt different our Joe is spelt Pigott
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Post by steveh21 on Dec 2, 2021 7:57:36 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, my view is that you take a punt on a prolific scorer from the level below. There are players banging in goals at Ryman clubs. You can never guarantee they will be as successful stepping up a level but what is there to lose trying? . What harm could you do letting a couple of the duds go, and replacing them with one striker from a step down who has ten plus goals this season? Worst case scenario, they can’t cut it but what have you to lose when the rest of them can’t score? Ter Horst and Embury were both prolific Isthmian strikers (Ter Horst via Hull U23s), neither of whom managed the step up, so experimenting with lower league strikers hasn't paid dividends so far. Spot on.. we have tried many times but the step up from Isthmian to NLS is bigger than many realise. We need to find another Mark Gall tucked away in the Scefl...not sure there is one though.
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Post by deadly on Dec 2, 2021 8:39:44 GMT
Yet you can never really tell. Take Joan Luque, he's been around with loads of clubs, mostly with an uninspiring record as a goal-scorer. After doing very little at Weymouth he has emerged in excellent nick, probably playing the best football of his career at the mature age of 29 years. For whatever reason some footballers just seem to do their best in particular settings, for no obvious reason. Hak just has to find a striker who will do the business in the black and amber. Simple
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Post by swampy on Dec 2, 2021 8:49:11 GMT
Ter Horst and Embury were both prolific Isthmian strikers (Ter Horst via Hull U23s), neither of whom managed the step up, so experimenting with lower league strikers hasn't paid dividends so far. Spot on.. we have tried many times but the step up from Isthmian to NLS is bigger than many realise. We need to find another Mark Gall tucked away in the Scefl...not sure there is one though. Are we looking though? Dartford took a punt on Danny Leonard from Sheppey United and that hasn't worked out to bad for them.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Dec 2, 2021 8:57:46 GMT
As frustrating as our strikers have been, service has been non-existent in some games. You'd image Barham / Grant / Ghandour would prefer to play off the shoulder of the last defender and have balls fed in behind, but we've barely done that all season, preferring to pump it longer up the field or take it out wide. It would be interesting to see Barham and Grant have a few chances fall to them in the box. Fair point BUT can you point to any time in their careers when they have been successful in the art of scoring goals. It beats me how some players manage to earn ther wages, transferring from one club to another season after season, not having achieved anything. It's a weird one because two stats that are readily available and I certainly look up when we sign a striker are Appearances and Goals. Those stats at our level also come without a context - actual minutes played, how they were implemented in the teams they played for, etc. If we were a prem side signing Danny Ings, we'd know a bit more about him than stats on a web page. When you're signing someone like Barham or Grant it's a completely different story. It's funny because we don't do it with any other player (except perhaps clean sheets with goalkeepers?). Rarely are assist stats available or accurate in non-league and data broken down is near impossible to find. We don't know how many tackles George made in the 2017 season, and if the clean sheets he got were because of a particularly good goalkeeper for instance. Goals are a particularly harsh stat because they rely so much on you a) playing games and b) the team around you giving you the ball in the right areas. If Barham or Grant scored 4 or 3, the perspective would change but at the moment, it's not looking likely to do so.
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Post by holysmokes66 on Dec 2, 2021 9:08:06 GMT
My take would be to get rid of one of Barham / Grant / Pavey permanently and bring in another loan, but that could backfire if we pick up another Ghandour. Surely there's some brick sh*thouse, 6ft 4, 20 goals-a-season teenager in Swindon's youth team, right?
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Post by Andy on Dec 2, 2021 9:44:34 GMT
Tbh neither of the unlikely lads, Barham and Grant,oil like they will achieve anything this season. Lack of power, lack of pace, lack of skill, lack of heading prowess, lack of goal scoring ability, all adds up to to a lack of confidence with supporters for either or both of the fulfilling the striker role at the club
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 10:32:07 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, my view is that you take a punt on a prolific scorer from the level below. There are players banging in goals at Ryman clubs. You can never guarantee they will be as successful stepping up a level but what is there to lose trying? . What harm could you do letting a couple of the duds go, and replacing them with one striker from a step down who has ten plus goals this season? Worst case scenario, they can’t cut it but what have you to lose when the rest of them can’t score? Ter Horst and Embury were both prolific Isthmian strikers (Ter Horst via Hull U23s), neither of whom managed the step up, so experimenting with lower league strikers hasn't paid dividends so far. Yes, you are right of course but that doesn't mean it will always fail.
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