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Post by sword65 on Oct 14, 2020 13:14:16 GMT
I don't understand this blaming of Hak. If your two most senior players, regardless of position, volunteer to go first in the shoot out surely you trust them instead of forcing a younger lad with less confidence to step up? It hasn't worked out on this occasion but in no way is Hak responsible for the players failing to score from 12 yards. I personally dont blame Hak but how does a young player gain confidence and experience hiding behind others. Look at the confidence it would have instilled in them if they had drilled the ball home and become a hero. The job of scoring goals rests with the striker and to a lesser extent the midfield and they let the team down by not standing up and being counted. We are out of the cup ,its disappointing but I can live with it,as I wrote earlier this was not really the year for a good cup run and I wish Wimbourne all the best as they too are desperate for money
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Post by holysmokes66 on Oct 14, 2020 13:41:22 GMT
Having just watched the highlights, you can only say hats off to Wimborne, especially their young keeper who made some really important, decent saves.
I think the real test for us is if Seaman, who looks like Messi at this level, gets called back from loan or if Porter gets a better offer and isn't contract that keeps him here. Both stand out like sore thumbs in this team at the moment. If either go I don't really know how we'd look...
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Post by stones1 on Oct 14, 2020 13:47:01 GMT
I don't understand this blaming of Hak. If your two most senior players, regardless of position, volunteer to go first in the shoot out surely you trust them instead of forcing a younger lad with less confidence to step up? It hasn't worked out on this occasion but in no way is Hak responsible for the players failing to score from 12 yards. I personally dont blame Hak but how does a young player gain confidence and experience hiding behind others. Look at the confidence it would have instilled in them if they had drilled the ball home and become a hero. The job of scoring goals rests with the striker and to a lesser extent the midfield and they let the team down by not standing up and being counted. We are out of the cup ,its disappointing but I can live with it,as I wrote earlier this was not really the year for a good cup run and I wish Wimbourne all the best as they too are desperate for money Totally with you Sword, players regardless of age should want to stand up and be accounted for in my opinion - but I do see the flip side as well. Bottomline is penalty practise is needed. Likewise, if there was ever a year to get knocked out early its this, would have been gutting to finally get to the elusive third round - draw a big team away only to get no share of the gate money and not even be allowed to go.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 14, 2020 14:16:18 GMT
Try this "Out of the FA Cup, hell, fury and damnation, the pain and anger hasn’t dissipated during the night". His replies in that same thread I found surprising, saying the team maybe aren't as good as had been hoped. In the two games i've seen, I've been impressed - Wimborne is a blip, and nothing more for me. Teams win games and teams lose games. Liverpool conceded 7 to a much inferior side before the break, but I didn't hear many people doubting the talent in that side after, or questioning the likelihood of winning the league again. We can only hope that our budget wasnt decided with a good cup run expected,I cannot see them being that stupid though.Oliver says that the team is not as good as he would have hoped, in my mind it's a little early for a statement like that but gets me to thinking that we have over spent our budget with the owners permission and he was hoping for more for his money. Like I said it's too early to he talking like that ,on another night we would have murdered Wimbourne and it just wasn't our night last night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 14:51:57 GMT
DaveU, as ex-referee and Leeds United keeper, will be able to tell us why their keeper (who looks about 14) didn't get sent off on 62 mins. I've forgotten whether a proposed rule saying you can't concede a penalty for a professional foul AND get sent off was talked about or actually passed? The ball was rolling slowly enough that it was a goal-scoring opportunity, no doubt about it. Still, a cracking cup-tie. I suppose.
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Post by 61666 on Oct 14, 2020 15:01:23 GMT
Just been watching the highlights and thought the same thing - the keeper could easily have been sent off for the penalty. However, well done Wimborne. Never gave up, lots of last ditch tackling - even though Stones seemed to dominate. Seaman and Porter clearly a league or more above where they are now, so hopefully we can hang on to them for the rest of the season
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Oct 14, 2020 15:23:15 GMT
DaveU, as ex-referee and Leeds United keeper, will be able to tell us why their keeper (who looks about 14) didn't get sent off on 62 mins. I've forgotten whether a proposed rule saying you can't concede a penalty for a professional foul AND get sent off was talked about or actually passed? The ball was rolling slowly enough that it was a goal-scoring opportunity, no doubt about it. Still, a cracking cup-tie. I suppose. Law 12: "Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off." You'd have to be exceptionally generous to say he was trying to play the ball.
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Post by Tony G on Oct 14, 2020 16:06:27 GMT
Summing up from Wimborne’s match report
“Maidstone had 24 goal attempts to Wimborne’s 4, and will rue those missed chances.”
At least we didn’t lose.
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Post by sword65 on Oct 14, 2020 16:17:00 GMT
Summing up from Wimborne’s match report “Maidstone had 24 goal attempts to Wimborne’s 4, and will rue those missed chances.” At least we didn’t lose. As I posted somewhere else,on another night we would have murdered them,with those figures we should have scored a minimum of 5 goals, no wonder their keeper was MOTM.
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Post by jdl on Oct 14, 2020 16:56:29 GMT
Summing up from Wimborne’s match report “Maidstone had 24 goal attempts to Wimborne’s 4, and will rue those missed chances.” At least we didn’t lose. Always two sides to a game, especially in cups - for us a humiliating defeat, for Wimblebourne one of (if not the) greatest moments in their history. Think how we would feel in their shoes. Well done WTF Club - good luck in the next round. But, returning to the stats: For them: 4 attempts, 2 goals - conversion rate 50% For us: 24 attempts, 2 goals - conversion rate 8.3% That's about as damning as it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 17:21:13 GMT
Winning the FA Vase probably trumps beating a National South side but hey.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Oct 14, 2020 18:18:47 GMT
Oh dear! Cruddy cup anyway! 🙄 Where did the Dover dislike come from? We've got on with them well in past years. From the appalling way they treat us as away fans in the last few visits. Just like Bromley and both are grounds I will never return to The away fans experience at both Dover & Bromley is appalling. I know where I am am not welcome.
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Post by jdl on Oct 14, 2020 18:44:18 GMT
Winning the FA Vase probably trumps beating a National South side but hey. Are you reading my posts again?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 18:49:57 GMT
Winning the FA Vase probably trumps beating a National South side but hey. Are you reading my posts again?! For the sake of the masses I do an occasional quality control.
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Post by jdl on Oct 14, 2020 18:55:29 GMT
Just watched the highlights and that seems a pretty cast iron pen and sending off - the keeper deliberately brings Porter down. Admittedly, the angle and quality is poor enough for Wimblebourne fans to claim that Porter took advantage of an accidental clash with the keeper and went dowwn too easily, but he was through on an almost certain goal - would any striker choose a pen (which might not be given) over a pretty solid chance to score?
Doesn't excuse the rest of the game, of course.
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