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Post by daveu on Aug 18, 2020 17:29:45 GMT
Unless you had your benefits reduced, because you were sick or disabled, or because your house had a spare room. And much else besides. Tories are basically Tories, even if otherwise they can sometimes pass as human beings. But Ms Crouch is that rare thing, a Tory I do have some time for. As well as supporting non-league, she also did a lot to help Radio Caroline out. A paradox for me, as that's two of the most important things in my life, and yet she supported Brexit and supports Johnson and the current shambles. Funnily enough it's perfectly possible to have an MP with whom you disagree vehemently who can still be a very good constituency MP. Even Anne Widdecombe was a decent MP for the town who clearly cared about her constituency.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 18, 2020 17:44:10 GMT
Those below NLS / NLN can now admit spectators: ' KentishFootball @kentishfootie · 13m Nigel Huddleston MP: "We’ve clarified guidance for organisers of non-elite sports events to help them admit spectators safely - with social distancing. The FA definition of non-elite means football clubs below National League North/South can admit some spectators." ' That's us fucked then, does anybody still think we will kick off on Oct 3rd, looking doubtful.
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Post by porkystone on Aug 18, 2020 17:58:56 GMT
Those below NLS / NLN can now admit spectators: ' KentishFootball @kentishfootie · 13m Nigel Huddleston MP: "We’ve clarified guidance for organisers of non-elite sports events to help them admit spectators safely - with social distancing. The FA definition of non-elite means football clubs below National League North/South can admit some spectators." ' That's us fucked then, does anybody still think we will kick off on Oct 3rd, looking doubtful. Good job we've not spaffed away loads of money signing players then .....
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Aug 18, 2020 18:22:28 GMT
Tories are basically Tories, even if otherwise they can sometimes pass as human beings. But Ms Crouch is that rare thing, a Tory I do have some time for. As well as supporting non-league, she also did a lot to help Radio Caroline out. A paradox for me, as that's two of the most important things in my life, and yet she supported Brexit and supports Johnson and the current shambles. Funnily enough it's perfectly possible to have an MP with whom you disagree vehemently who can still be a very good constituency MP. Even Anne Widdecombe was a decent MP for the town who clearly cared about her constituency. She thought homosexuals were the spawn of Lucifer. Which was (cough) pretty f+×#ing ironic.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 18, 2020 18:27:26 GMT
Funnily enough it's perfectly possible to have an MP with whom you disagree vehemently who can still be a very good constituency MP. Even Anne Widdecombe was a decent MP for the town who clearly cared about her constituency. She thought homosexuals were the spawn of Lucifer. Which was (cough) pretty f+×#ing ironic. She had a go at me for calling her a dyke. I also told her I didnt like her book " the clitoris tree" ,no sense of humour.
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Post by gromley on Aug 18, 2020 18:30:53 GMT
Those below NLS / NLN can now admit spectators: ' KentishFootball @kentishfootie · 13m Nigel Huddleston MP: "We’ve clarified guidance for organisers of non-elite sports events to help them admit spectators safely - with social distancing. The FA definition of non-elite means football clubs below National League North/South can admit some spectators." ' Is it too late for us to apply for relegation? We'd make more money for sure and all being well would still be in the NLS the following year.
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Post by soulstone on Aug 18, 2020 18:41:08 GMT
With the leagues below us starting with crowds it looks more likely we will start in October now.
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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Aug 18, 2020 18:47:55 GMT
She thought homosexuals were the spawn of Lucifer. Which was (cough) pretty f+×#ing ironic. She had a go at me for calling her a dyke. I also told her I didnt like her book " the clitoris tree" ,no sense of humour. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she drank from the furriest of cups. Just don't tell the electorate hell awaits if you're into a bit of innocent clam jousting.
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Post by jdl on Aug 19, 2020 0:38:38 GMT
She had a go at me for calling her a dyke. I also told her I didnt like her book " the clitoris tree" ,no sense of humour. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if she drank from the furriest of cups. Just don't tell the electorate hell awaits if you're into a bit of innocent clam jousting. She was nuttier than a nut tree, and not too bright either (at a 'meet the people' meeting when she was nominated as the new Tory Maidstone PPC, I asked her how, as an avowed Christian, she could support nuclear weapons, and it was painful to watch her trying to answer the question - even when heavily prompted by her minders). But her office sorted out a passport problem for me, when all other routes had failed. But that doesn't make her any less of a right-wing loony, it's just what MPs' offices do. MPs spend vastly more of their time sorting out local complaints and problems than they ever do speaking in Parliament - or even just attending Parliament. The really worrying thing about her though is that she perfectly illustrates the huge flaw in our democracy - that crazy, inadequate, or just plain nasty, people can be elected as MPs (or sometimes as PMs - see our current 'government'). The combination of the first past the post system (where the votes of the vast majority of us don't count) and public's incredibly poor understanding of how our political system works (eagerly aided by the right-wing press), produces a result whereby the people have no real control over, or understanding of, how and why we are governed the way we are.
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Post by jdl on Aug 19, 2020 1:30:23 GMT
With the leagues below us starting with crowds it looks more likely we will start in October now. I hope you're right, but I don't see any logical connection between 'crowds' being allowed at the levels below us and the same happening at our level. Almost every club below NS/NN level gets much lower gates than at our level*, and very few are likely to find social distancing difficult with their normal attendances. Whereas, almost all of the NL clubs, and many of the NN and NS clubs, will have serious problems, as their average attendance is a significant proportion of their capacity. The logic of allowing crowds back at level 3 and below, simply doesn't apply at NL levels. I would guess they'll treat us as part of 'senior' football (effectively L3 and L4N/S). Whatever they decide to do with the EFL, will also apply to us. (*I'll put the stats to support all this in the next post, to avoid killing too many goldfish)
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Post by jdl on Aug 19, 2020 1:35:17 GMT
And here they are:
In the IP, SL/PC and SL/PS the average attendances last season were 340, 356 and 311. No clubs got attendances over 1,000 (only one got even close), and only 11 got over 500 (out of 66 clubs). 10 clubs got an average home gate of under 200.
In the NP, the situation was better, with three clubs getting over 1,000 gates (South Shields 1,671, FC Utd 1,668, and Scarborough 1,001), so their overall average is 556. But if you take the top three clubs out of the picture, the average home gate is a much more representative 416.
Compare this against the three National League divisions: The NL average home gate is 2,171 (with 1 club over 5,000, 2 over 4,000, 2 over 3,000, 6 over 2,000, and only two under 1,000 - guess who!). The NN and NS obviously don't do as well, but the NN still has 10 clubs over 1,000 (including 2 over 2,000), and an average home gate of 1,068. The NS only has one club over 2,000 and six over 1,000, but the average home gate is still 855 - nearly three times the level 3 Southern leagues, and still more than 50% higher than the NP average.
And yet, I would guess (no way am I checking!) the level 3 clubs all have similar capacities to many of the level 2 grounds - certainly more than four times their average gates (i.e. so the 25% limit would affect them). So, basically, The leagues below us can socially distance with no real trouble.
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Post by hongkongstone on Aug 19, 2020 4:04:40 GMT
Just to throw it out there.....
Would a graded method to permitted ground attendances between the divisions not be more appropriate? As pointed out by JDL the 100% rule for step 3 and below does not offer serious risk. Yet whilst maintaining a 25% capacity for EFL teams, could NL and NLS/NLN not be restricted to 33% and 50% respectively?
The biggest supported club in NLN is York (@sword sorry to bring up their name but I have a good friend who is a die hard York fan) who last year had an average attendance of 2700. When they move into their new stadium at Monk's Cross with what I believe will be an 8500 capacity then this will not deprive them of income apart even if they are promoted to the NL (apart from maybe a few local derbies having to be all ticket).
As for the mighty Stones..... If only we had that Riverside stand........and i was told it wouldn"t bring in any incremental revenue!
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Post by porkystone on Aug 19, 2020 8:06:56 GMT
Still makes me laugh that what we saw last year is regarded as ' elite sport ' . Dear me, that's a very generous / optimistic label to give to the diet of hopeful hoofs and punts we sometimes witnessed last season. Much activity still on social media on this topic, correctly pointing out that NLS / NLN are borderline leagues with some large but in many cases small crowds.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 19, 2020 9:15:21 GMT
Just to throw it out there..... Would a graded method to permitted ground attendances between the divisions not be more appropriate? As pointed out by JDL the 100% rule for step 3 and below does not offer serious risk. Yet whilst maintaining a 25% capacity for EFL teams, could NL and NLS/NLN not be restricted to 33% and 50% respectively? The biggest supported club in NLN is York (@sword sorry to bring up their name but I have a good friend who is a die hard York fan) who last year had an average attendance of 2700. When they move into their new stadium at Monk's Cross with what I believe will be an 8500 capacity then this will not deprive them of income apart even if they are promoted to the NL (apart from maybe a few local derbies having to be all ticket). As for the mighty Stones..... If only we had that Riverside stand........and i was told it wouldn"t bring in any incremental revenue! I have nothing against York City just some of the total muppets that support them,hopefully your mate isnt one of them. When I was last in York I spoke to many City fans and a fair percentage of them are changing their allegiance to the rugby club because they are unwilling to travel far outside the city limits to attend the new ground. Their average last season was around 2800 but if feelings about the move are echoed by all supporters then this brand new stadium could be quite empty. The club is also spending silly money on players because they are expecting a £6million pound windfall from a 20% sell on clause for some premier league ponce that I have never heard of. What happens though when or if that money doesnt arrive? Bye bye York City.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 19, 2020 9:56:31 GMT
Random thought on capacities. Many used to be much higher. I recall a discussion on here where some non league clubs in Devon had a Wikipedia capacity of 5000, but were just huge grass banks. So, maybe a club once had a capacity of 10,000, reduced to 3,000 for modern requirements. Although the 25% capacity would now be 750, in reality a ground that once held 10,000 would easily accommodate any likely crowd with full social distancing. Imagine the big open spaces at London Road.
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