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Post by Bernie on Aug 11, 2020 0:34:24 GMT
Edit. See below.
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Post by jdl on Aug 11, 2020 1:33:03 GMT
Saved you the bother...
club - capacity - 25% of cap - attendance - diff between 25% and att (and as %)
Bath City 3528 882 1081 -199 ( -18 ) Billericay Town 5000 1250 818 432 Braintree Town 4222 1056 531 525 Chelmsford City 3000 750 870 -120 ( -14 ) Chippenham Town 3000 750 623 127 Concord Rangers 3300 825 440 385 Dartford 4100 1025 1188 -163 ( -14 ) Dorking Wanderers 3000 750 699 51 Dulwich Hamlet 3000 750 2200 -1450 ( -66 ) Eastbourne Borough 4151 1038 534 504 Ebbsfleet United 4769 1192 980 212 Hampton & Richmond 3500 875 558 317 Havant & Waterlooville 5300 1325 1398 -73 ( -5 ) Hemel Hempstead 3152 788 544 244 Hungerford Town 2500 625 334 291 Maidstone United 4200 1050 1776 -726 ( -41 ) Oxford City 3500 875 368 507 Slough Town 2000 500 842 -342 ( -41 ) St Albans City 5007 1252 625 627 Tonbridge Angels 3000 750 607 143 Welling United 4000 1000 629 371
See next post for more digestible version...
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Post by jdl on Aug 11, 2020 1:34:30 GMT
Clubs that lose income because of 25% limit:
(Difference between av attendance and 25% limit)
Dulwich Hamlet -1450 ( -66%)
Maidstone United -726 ( -41% )
Slough Town -342 ( -41%)
Bath City -199 ( -18% )
Dartford -163 ( -14%)
Chelmsford City -120 ( -14%)
Havant & Waterlooville -73 ( -5% )
The rest all have av attendances below 25% of capacity, so (presumably) won't see a drop in income.
No idea how this affects the NL - although attendances tend to be higher, some grounds (ex-EFL) are also a lot bigger than NS. NN tends to have higher attendances, so it might affect more clubs. But, basically, most of the NS (and maybe half of the NN?), and (presumably) all clubs below, won't be affected. Just those few of us who don't have huge grounds, but do get good gates. Whatever the opposite of the Goldilocks point is - we're at it.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 11, 2020 5:39:42 GMT
Wonder what that looks like in reality. Alternate rows of seats empty to get to 50%, then half remaining seats as gaps. Maybe allow family groups to sit together. Will stewards be patrolling the terraces telling people not to stand too close, and pull up that mask or you’re out.
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Post by Tony G on Aug 11, 2020 6:17:37 GMT
Clubs that lose income because of 25% limit: (Difference between av attendance and 25% limit) Dulwich Hamlet -1450 ( -66%) Maidstone United -726 ( -41% ) Slough Town -342 ( -41%) Bath City -199 ( -18% ) Dartford -163 ( -14%) Chelmsford City -120 ( -14%) Havant & Waterlooville -73 ( -5% ) The rest all have av attendances below 25% of capacity, so (presumably) won't see a drop in income. No idea how this affects the NL - although attendances tend to be higher, some grounds (ex-EFL) are also a lot bigger than NS. NN tends to have higher attendances, so it might affect more clubs. But, basically, most of the NS (and maybe half of the NN?), and (presumably) all clubs below, won't be affected. Just those few of us who don't have huge grounds, but do get good gates. Whatever the opposite of the Goldilocks point is - we're at it. You say that “ The rest all have av attendances below 25% of capacity, so (presumably) won't see a drop in income” However, as this is based on averages, it means that sometimes, maybe many times in a season the actual attendance was above this average. Ie when well supported away clubs were visiting, local derbies, non league days, the team is playing well/in the Promotion/playoff positions etc. So clubs may lose this additional income as well (on average! )
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Post by pwoodstone on Aug 11, 2020 6:48:33 GMT
It’s also worth considering that if they were to allow fans in as normal, what do we think the attendances would be? Up or down on last year. I can see arguments for both.
Up: people are missing football.
Down: people are still wary of mixing with large groups.
Also, I presume we are paying the players already anyway. Surely our match day costs would be covered by the 25% capacity? It must be better than delaying further?
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Post by porkystone on Aug 11, 2020 7:07:23 GMT
Also, I presume we are paying the players already anyway. Surely our match day costs would be covered by the 25% capacity? It must be better than delaying further? As our 1st Team aren't playing friendlies just yet, I'd imagine that those players who were with us pre covid on 2 year contracts are still on furlough. If the season doesn't start until October, you might start proper Pre Season 1 Sept, whilst telling players to look after themselves in the meantime ?
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Post by steveh21 on Aug 11, 2020 7:31:10 GMT
Many of our fans won't want to come back for a few months as they remain worried (rightly or wrongly).. club will have budgeted for this to some degree so not so much of a financial loss as it would if based on last season's numbers. We will comfortably fill this number and more than 1000 for a NLS game should surely be enough to compete in this Part Time league?
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Post by sword65 on Aug 11, 2020 7:32:12 GMT
It’s also worth considering that if they were to allow fans in as normal, what do we think the attendances would be? Up or down on last year. I can see arguments for both. Up: people are missing football. Down: people are still wary of mixing with large groups. Also, I presume we are paying the players already anyway. Surely our match day costs would be covered by the 25% capacity? It must be better than delaying further? Yeah but this would be followed by an away game with no income at all and a gold plated, super duper luxury coach to pay for.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 11, 2020 7:44:57 GMT
With certain clubs like Billericay and Ebbsfleet already being bank rolled, wouldn't think ground limits will have much impact for them. Leaves a bit of a bad taste when properly run clubs like Maidstone end up being penalised because we have a solid fan base. Even worse for Dulwich. Console myself that at least other clubs will not be getting money from our away supporters, while we will not miss much from many of theirs, apart from the all important local derbies. Managing and policing this will be a challenge though. Fairly easy to block off seats, or even allow family groups to sit together, especially if season ticket holders. Standing areas more difficult. Single rows in the Genco might work, but keeping people one metre away laterally will be a problem and will certainly dilute the atmosphere. Have painted 'no go areas'? Am sure some of the stewards will be salivating at the prospect of policing those. Tasers anyone? All ticket games, booked on line, pretty much a certainty you'd think.
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Post by steveh21 on Aug 11, 2020 8:12:37 GMT
With certain clubs like Billericay and Ebbsfleet already being bank rolled, wouldn't think ground limits will have much impact for them. Leaves a bit of a bad taste when properly run clubs like Maidstone end up being penalised because we have a solid fan base. Even worse for Dulwich. Console myself that at least other clubs will not be getting money from our away supporters, while we will not miss much from many of theirs, apart from the all important local derbies. Managing and policing this will be a challenge though. Fairly easy to block off seats, or even allow family groups to sit together, especially if season ticket holders. Standing areas more difficult. Single rows in the Genco might work, but keeping people one metre away laterally will be a problem and will certainly dilute the atmosphere. Have painted 'no go areas'? Am sure some of the stewards will be salivating at the prospect of policing those. Tasers anyone? All ticket games, booked on line, pretty much a certainty you'd think. Oh yes! Can you imagine our security teams next season... !!!! They will be in heaven.
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Post by daveu on Aug 11, 2020 8:37:02 GMT
Also, I presume we are paying the players already anyway. Surely our match day costs would be covered by the 25% capacity? It must be better than delaying further? As our 1st Team aren't playing friendlies just yet, I'd imagine that those players who were with us pre covid on 2 year contracts are still on furlough. If the season doesn't start until October, you might start proper Pre Season 1 Sept, whilst telling players to look after themselves in the meantime ? Maybe not playing games, but I'm pretty sure they're training now so surely not on furlough.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 11, 2020 8:38:25 GMT
With certain clubs like Billericay and Ebbsfleet already being bank rolled, wouldn't think ground limits will have much impact for them. Leaves a bit of a bad taste when properly run clubs like Maidstone end up being penalised because we have a solid fan base. Even worse for Dulwich. Console myself that at least other clubs will not be getting money from our away supporters, while we will not miss much from many of theirs, apart from the all important local derbies. Managing and policing this will be a challenge though. Fairly easy to block off seats, or even allow family groups to sit together, especially if season ticket holders. Standing areas more difficult. Single rows in the Genco might work, but keeping people one metre away laterally will be a problem and will certainly dilute the atmosphere. Have painted 'no go areas'? Am sure some of the stewards will be salivating at the prospect of policing those. Tasers anyone? All ticket games, booked on line, pretty much a certainty you'd think. Oh yes! Can you imagine our security teams next season... !!!! They will be in heaven. Just take your mask off and breathe on them they'll soon f**k off.
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Post by sword65 on Aug 11, 2020 8:45:10 GMT
Nice little comment on the Whitley Bay site as one supporter asks when the season starts will the Seaham Red Star fan have to stay 2 metres from his dog. Not really relevant but quite amusing.
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Post by 61666 on Aug 11, 2020 9:25:47 GMT
Very rude to talk about his girlfriend like that.😥
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