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Post by pedant on Jun 4, 2020 11:10:28 GMT
The outdoor spaces argument worked so well for the Cheltenham Festival. But there again it only reduces the risk of transmission rather than removes it. Lee Mack reckoned he caught it from his chauffeur... no idea if there was any proven mass transmission there? Then there was the LFC - Atlético game. People shouting, whether it be at a bar or in a football / racecourse ground, are propelling air and droplets further than people just talking or barely breathing (so the main stand at the Gallagher will be safe as houses - when out cycling this srping I've done my best not to puff in people's faces but not all joggers / cyclists seem to have thought of that one. I still look at the graph on here: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-covid19-official-figures-latest-a4434116.html and after a month or more of the 7-day average rate plummeting, it's flattened out. I won't even try to predict when it'll go down consistently again - might start tomorrow, might take weeks. Sword will be glad to hear that there was gridlock in Abingdon yesterday when McDonalds re-opened... we really aren't that posh. The Cheltenham Festival has been blamed as a major spreader and should have been cancelled. I think this had some statistical support but we all know what can be done with statistics. The daily statistics usually include, although not highlighted, the number of covid related hospital admissions. I'm very much aware these are real people and not numbers but the last figure I saw had a roughly 30% mortality rate approximately 2 weeks from admission which would give an early indicator of the overall trend. Yesterday the figure was 431 in England, down from 472 in a week. Gives hope that the trend is still downwards. Just not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 11:29:33 GMT
I'm in no hurry to go to an office, customer business meeting (which would be abroad), city, pub, restaurant or football match before about September.
OK I'll make an exception for pub.
Planning a teenage-style beer or 4 in a park with 3 mates next week, have only seen a couple of them briefly. Should be a giggle.
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Post by Nick on Jun 4, 2020 11:30:15 GMT
There is no rush to sign players at the moment, there wont be a 2020/21 season it will be a start in jan 21 and run till august then start again the following jan. Saving lives is the most important thing at the moment and i feel its a small price to pay if we have to wait till jan to get our fix of football. Whenever the season is due to start or not, I'm more interested in finding out whether this is the original oldboy reincarnated. Or is it a copycat type version of our old friend who so frequently immersed himself in controversy. Well, it's either welcome back or just welcome, depending - - - -
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Post by Stonethecrow on Jun 4, 2020 11:37:06 GMT
No rush to sign players at all, but doing nothing at all is not a great option either.
Very recent memories of JS2/HH being appointed in February 2019 or whenever
And we still ended up with very lightweight squad at the beginning of the next season
We seemed to be playing catch up for months and never got to where we wanted.
And that was when we had all the time in the World and some very experienced guys in charge
It's ok for swordy to rubbish people who havn't followed the club so long as him
But some of us just want the club to do well and prosper, why would anybody want less ?
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Post by 61666 on Jun 4, 2020 12:21:03 GMT
No doubt some clubs with owners who have money to burn might see an opportunity to sign up players early. However, as the start of the new season gets more and more delayed, they may wish they'd held back, as they could be paying players to do nothing for months. A bit like our relegation season then.😥 Am sure O and T will be aiming to be far more prudent.
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Post by pedant on Jun 4, 2020 12:23:47 GMT
No rush to sign players at all, but doing nothing at all is not a great option either. Very recent memories of JS2/HH being appointed in February 2019 or whenever And we still ended up with very lightweight squad at the beginning of the next season We seemed to be playing catch up for months and never got to where we wanted. And that was when we had all the time in the World and some very experienced guys in charge It's ok for swordy to rubbish people who havn't followed the club so long as him But some of us just want the club to do well and prosper, why would anybody want less ? ... probably no one does.
The divergence in opinion is around how "do well and prosper" is achieved. Some have memories of the club spending money it didn't have and its consequences whilst others will see that as investing to progress.
I'm just grateful its not my money at stake, and thus not my decision.
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Post by jackster on Jun 4, 2020 13:48:01 GMT
But nobody is talking about signing up players now and paying wages straight away
Doesn't football operate on the basis of pre-contract agreements ?
Basically an agreement to take on the players registration at a later date.
Just now it may be just about putting out some feelers, making contact and talking to people.
Oliver Ash has virtually admitted that a couple of ex Stones players have already been in touch
Just crumbs from the table but they must have been talking to somebody at the club.
Listening to Oliver, it almost seems like they have committed to Hak, well almost.
Difficult to imagine much will happen until the manager is 100% installed in the job
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Post by butlerisalegend on Jun 4, 2020 14:53:40 GMT
But nobody is talking about signing up players now and paying wages straight away Doesn't football operate on the basis of pre-contract agreements ? Basically an agreement to take on the players registration at a later date. Just now it may be just about putting out some feelers, making contact and talking to people. Oliver Ash has virtually admitted that a couple of ex Stones players have already been in touch Just crumbs from the table but they must have been talking to somebody at the club. Listening to Oliver, it almost seems like they have committed to Hak, well almost. Difficult to imagine much will happen until the manager is 100% installed in the job Pre contract agreements. Me thinks you have been watching too much sky sports news 😂
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Post by jdl on Jun 4, 2020 15:57:19 GMT
With no certainty there will be a 20-21 season - and, even if there is, it won't be a normal one (late start, probably no relegation or promotion) - I don't think the club will be committing to anyone/thing they absolutely don't have to.
The clubs that have money to burn will be able to take their pick of managers and players.
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Post by Bernie on Jun 4, 2020 15:59:46 GMT
I'm not so sure. Something tells me that as soon as dates are announced, clubs will be spending money they don't have with gay abandon, as if the whole pandemic thing never happened.
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Post by Sennockian69 on Jun 4, 2020 17:00:27 GMT
Last season with JS2 and Hak and months of planning and preparation, we still started the season lightweight and with too many weak links. Just doesn't give you a lot of confidence that we will be ahead of the game exactly whenever next season starts Thanks Jackster - yes, we don't want to repeat last years unpreparedness and a thin squad with th e start of the season imminent.What universe are you living in?
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Post by jdh80 on Jun 4, 2020 19:03:10 GMT
But nobody is talking about signing up players now and paying wages straight away Doesn't football operate on the basis of pre-contract agreements ? Basically an agreement to take on the players registration at a later date. Just now it may be just about putting out some feelers, making contact and talking to people. Oliver Ash has virtually admitted that a couple of ex Stones players have already been in touch Just crumbs from the table but they must have been talking to somebody at the club. Listening to Oliver, it almost seems like they have committed to Hak, well almost. Difficult to imagine much will happen until the manager is 100% installed in the job Pre contract agreements. Me thinks you have been watching too much sky sports news 😂 And the pre contracts that they talk about are when a player is in the last 5 months of his contract he is free to sign a pre contract with another team meaning that once his current contract expires with team a he will start a new contract with team b. In terms of our levels there isn't really anything pre contract you can do but if you offered a player a contract then you can have the start date of the contract post dated to start say September so basically the team has signed the player but don't start paying them until September. You can also do all kinds of fancy things like, offering a contract to start now on low wages then offer a bonus to be paid at the start of the season and an increase of wages when the season starts. That way you have the players signed up and not paying out huge amounts on wages the player is getting a small income and knows that when the season starts he will get the bonus and the increase in wages. The problem is a lot of you seem to have interpreted Oliver's message to say that hakan is not coming back, if this is true then no point in signing any players until you have a manager in charge, let the manager pick his players no good signing players and paying them if the man in charge doesn't fancy them especially at this moment in time.
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Post by jdh80 on Jun 4, 2020 19:05:27 GMT
Thanks Jackster - yes, we don't want to repeat last years unpreparedness and a thin squad with th e start of the season imminent.What universe are you living in? I'm living in one with talking rats and turtles. The turtles are also kickass at martial arts, and love pizza.
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Post by Nick on Jun 4, 2020 22:15:04 GMT
Bit strong of jdh to say supporters interpreted Oliver's message as Hak is not coming back. Also a bit negative to suggest there is not much a club can do pre contract stage. Try talking to people. Try identifying targets. How about the securing the players registration. How about a contract that specifies the start date as being say 4 weeks before the start of next season. In practice there is a lot that could be done. If there is a will there's a way. BUT without a manager in situ ? Oliver could have been a lot more definite in his update, it seemed that is was quite likely or was it he deserved something when it came to Hak. It does seem on the cards to be Hak but whatever he said, it just seemed to leave a 'hint' of uncertainty. Maybe we are reading too much into it, maybe - - -
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Post by daveu on Jun 5, 2020 7:19:32 GMT
I think the only hint of uncertainty over Hak is whether he'll agree a contract. From what Oliver said, the club has already decided he's the man for the job. As all the other stuff, as I said before, I'm sure the club is talking to players and getting ready for when contracts can be offered, but neither the club, not the players know when the season will start or how many games there will be so impossible to actually negotiate anything in good faith at the moment. Also the he club has no idea how many people will be allowed to attend games (I've heard various figures bandied about from 25% to 50% of capacity), so has no real idea what the budget is likely to be. It's gonna be a weird summer with no news, or even speculation, about player signings. We're just gonna have to be patient. The club has never announced signings until contracts were signed so even if we have players ready to sign we're not gonna know about them. People need to stop panicking just because a few clubs with more money than sense have started chucking it around already.
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