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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:02:52 GMT
There is no way you can make a connection between voting labour and opposing Brexit. It would clearly have been a step too far for many labour supporters to change their allegiance to the Tories even if they supported Brexit. On top of that, Jeremy Corben was a reluctant supporter of a second referendum and Labour was very much on the fence. The only parties with a clear Remain policy were The Greens and the Liberal Democrats, neither of whom made any significant inroads, so maybe I'm not the one who's being thick. Face up to it pal, we lost, it's not gonna change and all your bleating and whining isn't going to change anything so you might as well get used to it. Yep. It has to be deliberate. I don't think the GE was a referendum on brexit because there were other issues that people voted on. I think it is nonsense to suggest it was. However, I keep seeing people make the same point about the GE being a referendum on brexit and brexit won a clear majority. It didn't, it really didn't. Whatever you protest about you talk utter twaddle if you claim that Labour's policy did not include a second referendum. It did. That is a fact. Libs wanted either revocation or a second referendum. That is a fact. Greens wanted a second referendum. That is a fact. SNP wanted a second referendum. That is fact (Amazing that you ignored the third largest party in number of seats). Jeremy Corbyn was not particularly committed to remain. His party were although I was making the point about voters. Are you disagreeing that more people voted, in 2019, for parties supporting a second referendum or revocation of article 50 than for parties calling for brexit? I'm not bleating and whining. I'm posting articles about how the future might pan out. Try reading them. However, people like you keep bringing up the same moaning about not wanting to read this stuff while posting more and more enragement at me for posting something they are apparently not interested in. Oh and as for getting used to it. Maybe you missed the bit where I spoke about getting Irish passports for my kids and sorting out my pension so it doesn't suffer too much if things tank. Post whatever you like, but post it in the non-stones forum. This is a Maidstone united forum and you keep hijacking it for your opinionated rubbish. You bleat on about democracy, but judging by the responses on here you are defying the will of the vast majority of people on this forum by continuing to post topics that belong in the non-stones section. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:05:42 GMT
[In reply to nws getting his head round how majorities work...]
But when they're fragmented across several parties then *in a democracy* that's useless. (you know how the voting system works, right? - there are some great articles about votes needed to win a seat at the last election - Lib Dems got shafted, SNP had it easy - but I digress...)
We're in for another decade of Tory government - majorities like that don't disappear in one election - so Labour need someone sane, dynamic and decisive in place in 2 elections' time. After the current 0/3 with Corbyn, hopefully ten years will be long enough for them to get their act together. Lib Dems and Greens will keep on bumbling along with a handful of MPs. As DaveU (voice of reason when he's not rising to your bait and going off on one...) said, we might not like it but we've just got to live with it.
Right, I better get back to selling stuff to Belgians... TTFN
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:12:26 GMT
Simple solution to allowing a thread to die of its own accord, is not to post on it.
Instead people persist in responding to nws, rather than allowing him to have the last word.
Will they ever learn ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:45:28 GMT
On this occasion, I wanted to chip in with my view - I don't think you'll find me on any multiple back and forth he-said-she-said exchanges.
Top tip: ignore any threads where the last post was by nws or JDL. Saves hours.
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Post by haggis on Jan 14, 2020 9:55:17 GMT
Simple solution to allowing a thread to die of its own accord, is not to post on it. Instead people persist in responding to nws, rather than allowing him to have the last word. Will they ever learn ? It is the simplest solution but will they learn? I doubt it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:14:14 GMT
On this occasion, I wanted to chip in with my view - I don't think you'll find me on any multiple back and forth he-said-she-said exchanges. Top tip: ignore any threads where the last post was by nws or JDL. Saves hours. Oi! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 11:17:43 GMT
Click on the number in the replies column to see who keeps certain discussions at the top of the board.
One particular member is miles ahead for number of posts in this and the other political thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 11:39:55 GMT
Click on the number in the replies column to see who keeps certain discussions at the top of the board. One particular member is miles ahead for number of posts in this and the other political thread. Cool - I didn't know you could do that. Not exactly a surprise though! 36 posts (32%!) - must have been restraining himself. Sword is next busiest poster, at 18 - half of nws's posts! Although, of course, I've just buggered up all the stats by posting this... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:47:56 GMT
[In reply to nws getting his head round how majorities work...] But when they're fragmented across several parties then *in a democracy* that's useless. (you know how the voting system works, right? - there are some great articles about votes needed to win a seat at the last election - Lib Dems got shafted, SNP had it easy - but I digress...) We're in for another decade of Tory government - majorities like that don't disappear in one election - so Labour need someone sane, dynamic and decisive in place in 2 elections' time. After the current 0/3 with Corbyn, hopefully ten years will be long enough for them to get their act together. Lib Dems and Greens will keep on bumbling along with a handful of MPs. As DaveU (voice of reason when he's not rising to your bait and going off on one...) said, we might not like it but we've just got to live with it. Right, I better get back to selling stuff to Belgians... TTFN I can keep posting this ad nauseum but I wonder if anyone will understand it. I posted articles that spoke about how things might go. SInce then I have been inundated with numpties wishing to rehash the 89 page thread arguments. If someone writes that a lesser number is a majority I can only respond with facts. In answer to your point. Fragmentation across several parties does not make the number 'not a majority', as you so claim but a fragmented majority. An undemocratic voting system has ensured minority power (and often does). Unless you are telling me that the majority of people voted for a Brexit supporting party. Please advise. It is that particularly claim to which I constantly respond. If you have any response on the articles that talk about the future and how things might pan out then please feel free to post. That would be more interesting than reading Dave U's latest attempt to make something that is wrong seem right... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:50:26 GMT
Click on the number in the replies column to see who keeps certain discussions at the top of the board. One particular member is miles ahead for number of posts in this and the other political thread. I post loads because each time I post I get you, sword, Dave U, JDL posting back. It's obvious I am going to post more. For your info, I go away for hours on end and the threads are back there because all of you have posted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:54:19 GMT
Simple solution to allowing a thread to die of its own accord, is not to post on it. Instead people persist in responding to nws, rather than allowing him to have the last word. Will they ever learn ? It is the simplest solution but will they learn? I doubt it. Yes and well done, both of you, for following your advice. If you don't have anything meaningful to put on the thread that is fine by me. Personally, I was hoping for something about the articles I posted (one from the FT I think). Instead I get waffle about respecting democracy and something about majority through a smaller number. Sometimes, I can only work with the utter numpties I am confronted with. It ain't easy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:57:41 GMT
Yep. It has to be deliberate. I don't think the GE was a referendum on brexit because there were other issues that people voted on. I think it is nonsense to suggest it was. However, I keep seeing people make the same point about the GE being a referendum on brexit and brexit won a clear majority. It didn't, it really didn't. Whatever you protest about you talk utter twaddle if you claim that Labour's policy did not include a second referendum. It did. That is a fact. Libs wanted either revocation or a second referendum. That is a fact. Greens wanted a second referendum. That is a fact. SNP wanted a second referendum. That is fact (Amazing that you ignored the third largest party in number of seats). Jeremy Corbyn was not particularly committed to remain. His party were although I was making the point about voters. Are you disagreeing that more people voted, in 2019, for parties supporting a second referendum or revocation of article 50 than for parties calling for brexit? I'm not bleating and whining. I'm posting articles about how the future might pan out. Try reading them. However, people like you keep bringing up the same moaning about not wanting to read this stuff while posting more and more enragement at me for posting something they are apparently not interested in. Oh and as for getting used to it. Maybe you missed the bit where I spoke about getting Irish passports for my kids and sorting out my pension so it doesn't suffer too much if things tank. Post whatever you like, but post it in the non-stones forum. This is a Maidstone united forum and you keep hijacking it for your opinionated rubbish. You bleat on about democracy, but judging by the responses on here you are defying the will of the vast majority of people on this forum by continuing to post topics that belong in the non-stones section. So basically, the points are nailed down, your idiotic argument is dead and you resort to this. Many other topics are posted in here that don't relate to Stones. Strangely you only ever bleat about mine. If Alex can defy the will of the majority of the country then rest assured I am happy to follow suit. It's just freedom of speech ain't it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 12:58:44 GMT
Click on the number in the replies column to see who keeps certain discussions at the top of the board. One particular member is miles ahead for number of posts in this and the other political thread. Cool - I didn't know you could do that. Not exactly a surprise though! 36 posts (32%!) - must have been restraining himself. Sword is next busiest poster, at 18 - half of nws's posts! Although, of course, I've just buggered up all the stats by posting this... At least I can practice self restraint, as opposed to nice men in white coats doing it for me... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 13:02:49 GMT
On this occasion, I wanted to chip in with my view - I don't think you'll find me on any multiple back and forth he-said-she-said exchanges. Top tip: ignore any threads where the last post was by nws or JDL. Saves hours. Well done for ignoring... Ignore me if you don't like facts and truth Ignore JDL if you don't want to read reams of pointless stats |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 13:06:33 GMT
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