Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations.

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Feb 1, 2020 23:06:48 GMT Benny said:

13.1% of NHS staff are foreign, with only 5.5% from the EU. And, of course, as an independent country, if we want and need to recruit more, we can do so.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783

So, are you saying it would be ok to lose that 5.5%?

You do realise we have been free to recruit more the whole time. Leaving the EU made no difference to that.

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Those 5.5% are completely free to stay. I would rather we trained our own NHS staff, rather than poaching them from countries who need them far more than us, but can't compete on salaries.

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Feb 1, 2020 23:21:06 GMT Benny said:

Those 5.5% are completely free to stay. I would rather we trained our own NHS staff, rather than poaching them from countries who need them far more than us, but can't compete on salaries.

I agree on the training people rather than poaching point. Personally, I have blamed the UK government for that, especially in these latter years when they withdrew bursaries. Brexiters have blamed the EU and voted in droves to reelect the government responsible.

I will ask the question again, as like any brexiter you avoided the actual question.

Do you think it will be OK to lose that 5.5% given that it is only 5.5%?

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Feb 1, 2020 23:28:28 GMT nws said:

Feb 1, 2020 23:21:06 GMT Benny said:

Those 5.5% are completely free to stay. I would rather we trained our own NHS staff, rather than poaching them from countries who need them far more than us, but can't compete on salaries.

I agree on the training people rather than poaching point. Personally, I have blamed the UK government for that, especially in these latter years when they withdrew bursaries. Brexiters have blamed the EU and voted in droves to reelect the government responsible.

I will ask the question again, as like any brexiter you avoided the actual question.

Do you think it will be OK to lose that 5.5% given that it is only 5.5%?

I'll answer that before I go to sleepbyes. No in the case of the NHS special dispensation should be given to those trained staff who wish to remain in employment in this country.The NHS is the MOST important body in this realm and should not be tampered with.

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Feb 1, 2020 23:34:00 GMT sword65 said:

Feb 1, 2020 23:28:28 GMT nws said:

I agree on the training people rather than poaching point. Personally, I have blamed the UK government for that, especially in these latter years when they withdrew bursaries. Brexiters have blamed the EU and voted in droves to reelect the government responsible.

I will ask the question again, as like any brexiter you avoided the actual question.

Do you think it will be OK to lose that 5.5% given that it is only 5.5%?

I'll answer that before I go to sleepbyes. No in the case of the NHS special dispensation should be given to those trained staff who wish to remain in employment in this country.The NHS is the MOST important body in this realm and should not be tampered with.

I happen to agree with you, sword (can you feel a calm zen descending 😂😂).

Sadly, for Barney, I think he believed that his revelation of 5.5% of staff being EU was a zinger of a point. Given that we already have huge staffing problems in the NHS, losing another 5.5% of staff would not be good and would merely exacerbate the issue.

I'm not sure why 5.5% is seen as small when it comes to NHS but seen as utterly problematic when it comes to population (the original project fear).

I do love it that he constantly tries to reignite the flames of this thread but usually crumbles within one or two questions or facts.

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Feb 1, 2020 23:34:00 GMT sword65 said:

Feb 1, 2020 23:28:28 GMT nws said:

I agree on the training people rather than poaching point. Personally, I have blamed the UK government for that, especially in these latter years when they withdrew bursaries. Brexiters have blamed the EU and voted in droves to reelect the government responsible.

I will ask the question again, as like any brexiter you avoided the actual question.

Do you think it will be OK to lose that 5.5% given that it is only 5.5%?

I'll answer that before I go to sleepbyes. No in the case of the NHS special dispensation should be given to those trained staff who wish to remain in employment in this country. Maidstone United is the MOST important body in this realm and should not be tampered with.

I have corrected this for you.

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Feb 2, 2020 1:45:56 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Feb 1, 2020 23:34:00 GMT sword65 said:

I'll answer that before I go to sleepbyes. No in the case of the NHS special dispensation should be given to those trained staff who wish to remain in employment in this country. Maidstone United is the MOST important body in this realm and should not be tampered with.

I have corrected this for you.

And yet you've posted that you think the club should change to part time is that not tampering with it???

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Feb 2, 2020 1:45:56 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

Feb 1, 2020 23:34:00 GMT sword65 said:

I'll answer that before I go to sleepbyes. No in the case of the NHS special dispensation should be given to those trained staff who wish to remain in employment in this country. Maidstone United is the MOST important body in this realm and should not be tampered with.

I have corrected this for you.

That's fine. When I am very Ill I will go to hospital to get treated. When you are ill you go down the Gallagher and roll around on the plastic grass.

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Feb 1, 2020 23:06:48 GMT Benny said:

13.1% of NHS staff are foreign, with only 5.5% from the EU. And, of course, as an independent country, if we want and need to recruit more, we can do so.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783

Barney, what point are you making ?
So we have around 65,000 EU nationals working in the NHS and an even greater number from other parts of the World.
Are you saying that we can recruit more foreign nationals now we are 'independent' ?
Please explain.

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Why is it ok to recruit NHS staff from Asia and apparently not from the Netherlands or Portugal ?

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Very few people complained when our government decided (supported by BoJo) to withdraw bursaries to UK students studying to become nurses/midwives/doctors. The outcome was always inevitable.
Our staffing crises in the NHS is hardly down to our previous membership of the EU.
What's Barney going on about ?
How is leaving the EU and being independent going to help NHS recruitment ?

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Feb 2, 2020 3:18:05 GMT jdh80 said:

Feb 2, 2020 1:45:56 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

I have corrected this for you.

And yet you've posted that you think the club should change to part time is that not tampering with it???

I haven't, actually. I posted that it all went wrong when we went 'full time', and I stick by that, I think the facts support it.

But, of course it wasn't just going full time, it was the general atmosphere of the time thinking we were a bigger club than we were and not appreciating how we had got where we were.

I would like to see us going back part-time, or a mix of both (if that was possible), but I accept that this is probably a fantasy - we are where we are, and we have to live with that.

The problem is that, with no sugar daddy and (relatively) small gates, we don't really have the money to support a full-time squad of the quality (price) that we need to do well at NL level.

I don't know what the answer to this is. I can't see gates getting much bigger than 2,500-3,000 and I doubt we'll get any significant extra 'investment'. But if that leaves us as a mid-table NL club, having the odd good season, but also the odd relegation, I'm more than ok with that.

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Feb 2, 2020 8:59:34 GMT @harry said:

Very few people complained when our government decided (supported by BoJo) to withdraw bursaries to UK students studying to become nurses/midwives/doctors. The outcome was always inevitable.
Our staffing crises in the NHS is hardly down to our previous membership of the EU.
What's Barney going on about ?
How is leaving the EU and being independent going to help NHS recruitment ?

Sadly for Barney, he did the usual brexit thing of not thinking prior to saying something

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Didn't want it, but now we have it, can only hope it turns out ok. For that, guess we have to wait five years or so, (longer than Brexit!) to see who was right.
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