Hypocrites

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Apr 1, 2019 22:26:51 GMT @stonewall said:

As for hypocrites thought you said you were leaving???

Now your back in some sort of mad sequel where you present a balanced and reasoned points with gems such as Bell-End

You labelled whole ethnic groups of people as criminals and then howl in displeasure at being called a racist. Definition of hypocrit...just saying

Hardly groups. One country with whom I’ve worked with several of their citizens who say exactly the same. Maybe I should have said Romanian gypsies. As for ‘howling’ displeasure, I hardly think so. I was stating what you and nick said. Leaving ? Well I ain’t taking any shit off you, so I have to respond

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Apr 2, 2019 0:08:04 GMT nws said:

Apr 1, 2019 15:42:00 GMT shamstone said:

It was to do with European racists towards black England players. Moron? Would you like to meet up and say that to my face you bellend

Why have you labelled them European racists? You do know that the fraudulent vote victory (sorry great exercise in democracy) didn't make us leave the continent of Europe, don't you?

Can I ask why Germans, French, Austrians, Italians, Spanish etc etc are somehow blamed for the actions of Montenegrins?

I corrected it to Eastern European and was referring to the way they treat black players. Also Italy and Spain have problems with race. Do you think Spain should still ‘blackface’ up to celebrate the 3 Kings Parade ?

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You don't need to go to Montenegro,Poland,Hungary,France or Spain to see racism in football,just go 30 miles north to Blackheath on a Sunday morning where you can pick any one of about 30 games to listen to racist and homophobic abuse from dozens of different nationalities and some of the African and West Indian sides are the worst offenders.

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Apr 2, 2019 5:08:16 GMT shamstone said:

Apr 2, 2019 0:08:04 GMT nws said:

Why have you labelled them European racists? You do know that the fraudulent vote victory (sorry great exercise in democracy) didn't make us leave the continent of Europe, don't you?

Can I ask why Germans, French, Austrians, Italians, Spanish etc etc are somehow blamed for the actions of Montenegrins?

I corrected it to Eastern European and was referring to the way they treat black players. Also Italy and Spain have problems with race. Do you think Spain should still ‘blackface’ up to celebrate the 3 Kings Parade ?

So you corrected it after it was pulled up as ridiculous. However, you have still, quite ridiculously, denigrated a vast amount of people as racist based on the actions of a few Montenegrin racists in a football stadium which, to anyone thinking cognitively, is quite a jump.

'Italy and Spain have problems with race' is then backed up by a comment about the 3 kings parade in Spain alone. Do I think the blackfacing in the three kings parade is particularly savoury...no and hopefully it will slowly change (I believe Madrid was doing something about it in 2015). It is a bit like our Black and White Minstrels and Gollywogs arguments of yesteryear. Spain, incidentally, doesn't generally come up in research as being particularly racist, despite your 'research' to the contrary.

Can I just check (as you ignored my other post)...your prescription to deal with racism is still to shut borders, exclude people, hold similar views to those who would, seemingly, have sympathy with far right parties in Germany, who would happily enlist the help of far right parties in Italy ((which, according to your 'research' has race problems) and Hungary to circumnavigate the decisions of our sovereign Parliament and would be chasing deals with a load of non-European countries to make up for the lost trade with the EU. Here is a list of 25 most racist countries in the world (obviously this is a difficult question to get to the bottom of but I guess that, again, I have tried to present something based in fact rather than just making claims). Surprisingly there are no EU countries on there so presumably, when we talk about doing more trade with the rest of the world we are talking about chasing more trade with more racist countries. An excellent plan to combat racism, you'll agree. I don't see too many brexiters going about this aspect...just sayin'
businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/116644/the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/

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Apr 2, 2019 6:21:23 GMT sword65 said:

You don't need to go to Montenegro,Poland,Hungary,France or Spain to see racism in football,just go 30 miles north to Blackheath on a Sunday morning where you can pick any one of about 30 games to listen to racist and homophobic abuse from dozens of different nationalities and some of the African and West Indian sides are the worst offenders.

Indeed. Listen long enough at matches in our league and below and you'll hear something eventually.

Your point is the point I am making. There are racist views everywhere from all sorts of people. It is not defined to one area. The real way of fighting such things is integration, understanding and education not division and listening to peddlers of hate (especially the subtle ones). Many racism tendencies ignited by brexit and the election of Donald Trump. I have sympathy for brexiters who voted out on the basis of trade or dislike of the EU institution because they get tarred with the same brush as those who have been fooled into believing the problems they experience are down to an influx of migrants. If anyone pretends that populising racism didn't swing the vote is, sadly, deluding themselves. My last words on that would be 'Breaking Point'.

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Didn’t Lewis Hamilton get racially abused in Spain ? It’s more than just Montenegro. What about Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia etc. It’s not just a few. Why do you keep banging on about Germany

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Lewis Hamilton got racially abused in Spain is your 'research'. OK.

I got racially abused in Wales ergo Wales is a racist country.

What about Croatia, Slovakia, Serbia? I don't know you tell me. Something fact-based would be nicer that just claiming something.

I go on about Germany because the far right party that Jacob Rees-Mogg has retweeted a view of and then been fairly non-plussed about is from Germany. Maybe following news and actual facts rather than what some racist or disaster capitalist has told is true when it isn't might be beneficial. Look on the other thread and German far right was mentioned as a reason for not being in the EU.

Doing deals with countries that are more racist than EU ones?...no comment from you...just sayin'
Elected MPs (who have convinced you of the need to regain our Parliamentary sovereignty) asking far right parties in Italy and Hungary to veto the sovereign will of our parliament?...no comment from you...just sayin'

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I ain’t researching mate. It’s a fact. Where are you researching Alexa or Siri

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Apr 2, 2019 5:01:29 GMT shamstone said:

Apr 1, 2019 22:26:51 GMT @stonewall said:

As for hypocrites thought you said you were leaving???

Now your back in some sort of mad sequel where you present a balanced and reasoned points with gems such as Bell-End

You labelled whole ethnic groups of people as criminals and then howl in displeasure at being called a racist. Definition of hypocrit...just saying

Hardly groups. One country with whom I’ve worked with several of their citizens who say exactly the same. Maybe I should have said Romanian gypsies. As for ‘howling’ displeasure, I hardly think so. I was stating what you and nick said. Leaving ? Well I ain’t taking any shit off you, so I have to respond

Quite understand why your not taking any your so full of it already!

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Apr 2, 2019 10:50:02 GMT @stonewall said:

Apr 2, 2019 5:01:29 GMT shamstone said:

Hardly groups. One country with whom I’ve worked with several of their citizens who say exactly the same. Maybe I should have said Romanian gypsies. As for ‘howling’ displeasure, I hardly think so. I was stating what you and nick said. Leaving ? Well I ain’t taking any shit off you, so I have to respond

Quite understand why your not taking any your so full of it already!

Coming from the King of shit

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FFS - isn't one nws on this board enough??

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I live in a block of flats in Tonbridge and One of our residents is Albanian who has been reprimanded by the police on a number of occasions for possession of lethal weapons and threatening behaviour to other residents who to the best of my knowledge are British. Now this doesn't make all Albanians nutjobs or racists but it does make you think twice about interacting with others. We also have a cross dresser who comes home from work in his suit and tie and then goes out in tight mini skirt and blonde wig ,now I don't understand this sort of thing but it doesn't mean everybody in a suit and tie is a bit strange. I think the point Shamstone, and myself to a lesser extent,is trying to make is that it only takes a handful of racist,homophobic and those with criminal intent to make a person wary of others from the same nation. I personally have had bad dealings with Eastern Europeans in the past but that doesn't make them all bad ,I accept that point but the few that spread hate among us puts me off wanting to interact with any others. I accept that this may not be the way to do things but it is my decision to avoid further confrontations with such people. Does that make me racist because I want to live quietly and not be threatened by a foreign minority who do not appreciate the country that has accepted them in.

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Apr 2, 2019 9:55:28 GMT shamstone said:

I ain’t researching mate. It’s a fact. Where are you researching Alexa or Siri

I think we can see you are not researching. In this instance I was making a sarcastic comment on the fact that you presented Spain as racist based on Lewis Hamilton being abused. Quite unbelievable.

I research but try to find something that looks like credible. I have posted several links to the research I am using. You have posted precisely no links although that will be because you are offering made up stuff or one-off small incidents and extrapolating across a country.

You can't really offer sarcasm when it makes you look even sillier than the person you were trying to be sarcastic to unless you enjoy looking silly.

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Apr 2, 2019 12:37:24 GMT @johndaubneyslegs said:

FFS - isn't one nws on this board enough??

Two question marks???

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Apr 2, 2019 12:40:39 GMT sword65 said:

I live in a block of flats in Tonbridge and One of our residents is Albanian who has been reprimanded by the police on a number of occasions for possession of lethal weapons and threatening behaviour to other residents who to the best of my knowledge are British. Now this doesn't make all Albanians nutjobs or racists but it does make you think twice about interacting with others. We also have a cross dresser who comes home from work in his suit and tie and then goes out in tight mini skirt and blonde wig ,now I don't understand this sort of thing but it doesn't mean everybody in a suit and tie is a bit strange. I think the point Shamstone, and myself to a lesser extent,is trying to make is that it only takes a handful of racist,homophobic and those with criminal intent to make a person wary of others from the same nation. I personally have had bad dealings with Eastern Europeans in the past but that doesn't make them all bad ,I accept that point but the few that spread hate among us puts me off wanting to interact with any others. I accept that this may not be the way to do things but it is my decision to avoid further confrontations with such people. Does that make me racist because I want to live quietly and not be threatened by a foreign minority who do not appreciate the country that has accepted them in.

I'm glad you are understanding what I am saying and no it makes you fearful not racist (I'm slow to label people as racist). Sometimes our experiences are all we have to go on. If what you experience happens alongside a drip feed of 'anti-foreigner' rhetoric then it leads to a belief that all foreign people are out to get you. I'm urging people to look past that.

The British people that have led the leave campaign have u-turned several times and utterly lied to us all but still they get trusted. A foreign person does something wrong and we mistrust and dislike them and their countrymen. I expect a sociologist or psychotherapist might be able to explain this phenomenon better.