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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 8:04:19 GMT
Don’t see much outrage coming from you Remainers regarding the shocking behaviour towards the English lads. Mind you Montenegro are due to join the EU. Just saying ...... Because it's got bugger all to do with brexit you moron. You might just as well connect the disgusting behaviour of a couple of dozen almost certainly exclusively English thugs at our game against Ebbsfleet with Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:12:27 GMT
Don’t see much outrage coming from you Remainers regarding the shocking behaviour towards the English lads. Mind you Montenegro are due to join the EU. Just saying ...... Because it's got bugger all to do with brexit you moron. You might just as well connect the disgusting behaviour of a couple of dozen almost certainly exclusively English thugs at our game against Ebbsfleet with Brexit. Well said. Apples and pears. I think anyone who is lazily generalising an entire country or people with a minority should read Gareth Southgate's comments after that game. He spoke very eloquently about education and the source of the issue rather than just making poorly informed comments, while also protecting his young players. Writer Mike Calvin also spoke very well about this on the Guardian Football Weekly podcast, which you can stream here |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:15:53 GMT
That works both ways. Incidentally, although my memory is getting worse,I have never read the daily Express,and apart from the Non League Paper and the Tonbridge Times I haven't read a newspaper in years. It does work both ways if you disregard the fact that in all of what I say I weave in actual facts. For instance, I do know that the UK is quite racially tolerant, coming third in a 2016 poll by amnesty international in tolerance towards refugees. Countries like Poland and Czech Republic scored way lower. However, above us was China and that bastion of right wing problems, Germany (your original stated reason for voting leave). Do I think it is great in the rest of Europe and that crime and race hate ain't there. Nope. You made that up. Do I think that the far right ain't rising in the rest of Europe. Nope. It saddens and worries me. However, the fact that I don't react by wishing to espouse their doctrines of shutting out foreign people doesn't mean I don't recognise the problems. I just understand that a criminal is a criminal and they exist in all societies. I'm happy to see facts to back arguments so where do I see the facts that back claims of Eastern Europeans on corners waiting to molest you or 50% of people in Kent being unable to speak English satisfactorily? BTW I said it was like reading The Daily Express because the slow drip feed of non-factual race hate news has been from all over the place. The Express has just been the epitome of it. Facts are always good to back up an argument. The Pew Research Centre, one of the biggest partisan data resource centres in world, ran a similar survey recently and it backs this up whilst adding a little bit more weight to it. Interesting reading if you like reading facts based on data rather than just dribbling out nonsense... www.pewglobal.org/2019/03/14/around-the-world-more-say-immigrants-are-a-strength-than-a-burden/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=6f16f12a53-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_15_01_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-6f16f12a53-400738901 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 15:42:00 GMT
Don’t see much outrage coming from you Remainers regarding the shocking behaviour towards the English lads. Mind you Montenegro are due to join the EU. Just saying ...... Because it's got bugger all to do with brexit you moron. You might just as well connect the disgusting behaviour of a couple of dozen almost certainly exclusively English thugs at our game against Ebbsfleet with Brexit. It was to do with European racists towards black England players. Moron? Would you like to meet up and say that to my face you bellend |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 16:23:30 GMT
Because it's got bugger all to do with brexit you moron. You might just as well connect the disgusting behaviour of a couple of dozen almost certainly exclusively English thugs at our game against Ebbsfleet with Brexit. It was to do with European racists towards black England players. Moron? Would you like to meet up and say that to my face you bellend So because some European football fans are racists all Europeans are racist? Some British football fans are racist yet you fail to apply the same standards to all Brits. Jesus Christ how many Montenegrans do you actually know to be able to make such a judgement? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 16:36:19 GMT
It seems to be Eastern European’s that have a culture of abusing black players. True. You get the odd one here in our grounds, but in Eastern European grounds it’s more than a few. Spain and Italy also seem to have a problem with black players
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
As for hypocrites thought you said you were leaving???
Now your back in some sort of mad sequel where you present a balanced and reasoned points with gems such as Bell-End
You labelled whole ethnic groups of people as criminals and then howl in displeasure at being called a racist. Definition of hypocrit...just saying
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 23:54:29 GMT
It seems to be Eastern European’s that have a culture of abusing black players. True. You get the odd one here in our grounds, but in Eastern European grounds it’s more than a few. Spain and Italy also seem to have a problem with black players I see Jacob Rees Mogg has taken to retweeting German Far Right leaders...Nice www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-reesmogg-under-fire-for-tweeting-german-farright-leader-speech-a4105906.htmlI see Vote Leave has dropped it's appeal against the fine for electoral spending offences during the 2016 referendum. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-vote-leave-fine-electoral-law-spending-commission-a8846816.htmlSo well done. One of the main proponents of 'no deal' brexit is now using the words of the German Far Right and the campaign was won using fraudulent methods. You will still claim I am undemocratic for not respecting the vote and democracy when it is now so patently obvious that Far Right propaganda was used to encourage people who don't look to see if a threat is real before dealing with it and that it was done by bending all the rules in place. As for your analysis re racist abuse towards black players. Have you any research data on this to present or are you just making things up as a Project Fear. I would also add that I abhor racism/xenophobia regardless of colour. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 23:59:53 GMT
It does work both ways if you disregard the fact that in all of what I say I weave in actual facts. For instance, I do know that the UK is quite racially tolerant, coming third in a 2016 poll by amnesty international in tolerance towards refugees. Countries like Poland and Czech Republic scored way lower. However, above us was China and that bastion of right wing problems, Germany (your original stated reason for voting leave). Do I think it is great in the rest of Europe and that crime and race hate ain't there. Nope. You made that up. Do I think that the far right ain't rising in the rest of Europe. Nope. It saddens and worries me. However, the fact that I don't react by wishing to espouse their doctrines of shutting out foreign people doesn't mean I don't recognise the problems. I just understand that a criminal is a criminal and they exist in all societies. I'm happy to see facts to back arguments so where do I see the facts that back claims of Eastern Europeans on corners waiting to molest you or 50% of people in Kent being unable to speak English satisfactorily? BTW I said it was like reading The Daily Express because the slow drip feed of non-factual race hate news has been from all over the place. The Express has just been the epitome of it. Whilst agreeing with you in principle about the tin-pot fascists within the UK media I would question the reliability of any survey that scores China so highly in measures of racial tolerance. From my 15 years experience of living here China is extremely xenophobic (stoked up by the CCP of course for their own ends) and all systems heavily biased against any non-Han Chinese ethnicity (ask the million+ Uiyghers currently in 're-education' camps). Even when I take a seat on the bus or train, any empty seat next to me will be the last to be taken (unless there are any 'brown' skinned people also on board). It is a truly eye opening experience on the dynamics of inherent, unchallenged and politically motivated racism. TBH, HKS, I was a little surprised at the survey results. However, flawed it may have been I did at least try to present something approaching research when clearly brexit has shown us that I should just start shouting any old nonsense out as truth |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 0:08:04 GMT
Because it's got bugger all to do with brexit you moron. You might just as well connect the disgusting behaviour of a couple of dozen almost certainly exclusively English thugs at our game against Ebbsfleet with Brexit. It was to do with European racists towards black England players. Moron? Would you like to meet up and say that to my face you bellend Why have you labelled them European racists? You do know that the fraudulent vote victory (sorry great exercise in democracy) didn't make us leave the continent of Europe, don't you? Can I ask why Germans, French, Austrians, Italians, Spanish etc etc are somehow blamed for the actions of Montenegrins? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 0:13:34 GMT
It does work both ways if you disregard the fact that in all of what I say I weave in actual facts. For instance, I do know that the UK is quite racially tolerant, coming third in a 2016 poll by amnesty international in tolerance towards refugees. Countries like Poland and Czech Republic scored way lower. However, above us was China and that bastion of right wing problems, Germany (your original stated reason for voting leave). Do I think it is great in the rest of Europe and that crime and race hate ain't there. Nope. You made that up. Do I think that the far right ain't rising in the rest of Europe. Nope. It saddens and worries me. However, the fact that I don't react by wishing to espouse their doctrines of shutting out foreign people doesn't mean I don't recognise the problems. I just understand that a criminal is a criminal and they exist in all societies. I'm happy to see facts to back arguments so where do I see the facts that back claims of Eastern Europeans on corners waiting to molest you or 50% of people in Kent being unable to speak English satisfactorily? BTW I said it was like reading The Daily Express because the slow drip feed of non-factual race hate news has been from all over the place. The Express has just been the epitome of it. Facts are always good to back up an argument. The Pew Research Centre, one of the biggest partisan data resource centres in world, ran a similar survey recently and it backs this up whilst adding a little bit more weight to it. Interesting reading if you like reading facts based on data rather than just dribbling out nonsense... www.pewglobal.org/2019/03/14/around-the-world-more-say-immigrants-are-a-strength-than-a-burden/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=6f16f12a53-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_15_01_18&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-6f16f12a53-400738901Reading that shows that our brexit voting hero on here seem to have more in common with the likes of Poland, Hungary and Russia which he claims are so racist. Put this with following the same thought patterns as people retweeting German Far Right loons and supporting a vote mired in fraud as democratic and you get a not very nice image... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 2:19:55 GMT
Whilst agreeing with you in principle about the tin-pot fascists within the UK media I would question the reliability of any survey that scores China so highly in measures of racial tolerance. From my 15 years experience of living here China is extremely xenophobic (stoked up by the CCP of course for their own ends) and all systems heavily biased against any non-Han Chinese ethnicity (ask the million+ Uiyghers currently in 're-education' camps). Even when I take a seat on the bus or train, any empty seat next to me will be the last to be taken (unless there are any 'brown' skinned people also on board). It is a truly eye opening experience on the dynamics of inherent, unchallenged and politically motivated racism. TBH, HKS, I was a little surprised at the survey results. However, flawed it may have been I did at least try to present something approaching research when clearly brexit has shown us that I should just start shouting any old nonsense out as truth I might hazard a guess that China could be considered a racially tolerant towards refugees on the basis that it doesn't allow any in and as such there is no intolerance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 2:38:46 GMT
1. The referendum was always 'advisory'. There was no legally binding covenant that mandated just because a small majority were ill informed or prejudiced that the government had to follow a particularly ruinous course of action.
2. As a measure of 'democracy' can anyone compare the attendances of the 2 marches held in London recently. I saw aerial photos of the 'Remain' one on the 23rd and it showed crowds filling the roads from Trafalgar square back past Hyde Park. Friends also told me that they couldn't move because all of the streets were gridlocked with marchers. Were there that many at the more recent 'Leave' march and as a side point, which one required more policing?
3. Has there ever been a petition to the UK government with over 6 million signatures? Have the Brexshitters started their own to demonstrate that support for their position is more populous?
Democracy huh? Next we will be expecting the POTUS to be elected as the one who receives most votes! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 3:39:47 GMT
1. The referendum was always 'advisory'. There was no legally binding covenant that mandated just because a small majority were ill informed or prejudiced that the government had to follow a particularly ruinous course of action.
2. As a measure of 'democracy' can anyone compare the attendances of the 2 marches held in London recently. I saw aerial photos of the 'Remain' one on the 23rd and it showed crowds filling the roads from Trafalgar square back past Hyde Park. Friends also told me that they couldn't move because all of the streets were gridlocked with marchers. Were there that many at the more recent 'Leave' march and as a side point, which one required more policing?
3. Has there ever been a petition to the UK government with over 6 million signatures? Have the Brexshitters started their own to demonstrate that support for their position is more populous?
Democracy huh? Next we will be expecting the POTUS to be elected as the one who receives most votes! In answer to one of your questions I believe 11.7 million people petitioned Downing Street not to let Cliff Richard release another Christmas single ,it was ignored as will this one be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 3:47:52 GMT
1. The referendum was always 'advisory'. There was no legally binding covenant that mandated just because a small majority were ill informed or prejudiced that the government had to follow a particularly ruinous course of action.
2. As a measure of 'democracy' can anyone compare the attendances of the 2 marches held in London recently. I saw aerial photos of the 'Remain' one on the 23rd and it showed crowds filling the roads from Trafalgar square back past Hyde Park. Friends also told me that they couldn't move because all of the streets were gridlocked with marchers. Were there that many at the more recent 'Leave' march and as a side point, which one required more policing?
3. Has there ever been a petition to the UK government with over 6 million signatures? Have the Brexshitters started their own to demonstrate that support for their position is more populous?
Democracy huh? Next we will be expecting the POTUS to be elected as the one who receives most votes! In answer to one of your questions I believe 11.7 million people petitioned Downing Street not to let Cliff Richard release another Christmas single ,it was ignored as will this one be. At last, something we can all agree on (Cliff, Xmas etc.)!
Not so sure about where you get your facts from but this is definitely not fake news......
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