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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 16:54:25 GMT
I’m not blaming Jay, I blame the players it’s all too easy to sack the manager and then lo and behold they begin to play again, there are a number of players who need to have a hard look at themselves and give Jay the performances he deserves, he sounded totally pissed off after yesterday’s game and who can blame him, he gives the players instructions and I’m not convinced they follow them, the goal we conceded was poor, I was confident yesterday before I saw the team sheet and then I saw Magnus’s name and my heart sunk, he is so far out of his league it’s scary, I wouldn’t pick him again...Rant over With over 200 appearances for Colchester on his CV, that shouldn't be the case. Difficult to know why he's become so bad |
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Post by stones1970 on Feb 18, 2018 17:40:54 GMT
I would rather support a team with Jay Saunders as manager than a team with Stones1970 as a fan. [/quite] That's your perogative! Jay picks the players Jay selects the team Jay works on set pieces Jay sets the tactics I'm not sure he's succeeded at any of these. The only positive from yesterday was that I thought the players tried hard - just either looked out of their depth and/or rudderless! |
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Post by porkystone on Feb 18, 2018 19:34:21 GMT
You're taking a huge chance appointing anyone who's not managed a 'full time' club at this level. Different ball game etc. And so ny that logic, we took a huge chance keeping Jay on when we were promoted from National South, as he hadn't managed at this level either!! Yes we did, and we survived last year in the National League because we drafted in key players like Lewis & Pigott early in 2017 ( full credit to Jay for achieving that ). Going full time in 2017 / 18 you'd expect to play better because you have more time with the players who become fitter and more accustomed to play how the manager wants. There is precious little indication that any meaningful progressive instruction is going out to the players, or if it is, they aren't listening...... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:08:22 GMT
My theory is that we weren't really functioning all that well as a team even before the wheels came off, but the results masked this. I realise that sounds mad, as what more do you want from a team other than winning games?! But I never felt that we were convincing winners in most games and were often riding our luck. Once that luck turned (or other teams began to suss us out), we started to see the reality of a team that wasn't really working. Then Hines and Pigott left and any hope of ever winning another league game went with them.
Last season we had a different problem - a good side that just wasn't up to the standards of the NL. And drafting in some better players did the trick, by bolsterting an already good (but not quite good enough) side. This season we don't have a good side that just needs boldstering - whatever is wrong is more fundamental than that - and so the same approach won't work. Or at least not with the players that Jay has brought in.
Perhaps the only real solution would be to rebuild the team almost from scratch - but it's far too late to do that. So we just have to hope that Jay can get the new signings to do enough to keep us up. The way things are going, that is going to be our only prioriy this season - just gret enough points to stay up, somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:17:14 GMT
Well I hope this thread doesn't go on any longer. It is really not necessary but ppl could go on and on about why they think, (or don't think) Jay should be sacked.
Let's just stick behind the team and most importantly Jay - I believe that is the least he deserves for what's happened over the last 6 years, he's not stupid he knows things aren't right and he will sort it, the way some of you are going its as he's doing it on purpose. Give the man a break!
Keep the faith
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:37:16 GMT
Jay hasn't suddenly become a bad manager overnight. He's proven again and again what a good manager he is, and a good manager is good because he has the fundamental skills and abilities - and he can adapt to whatever level he's playing at.
The problem Jay has got is that, at this level, he can't always get the players he needs. Up to the NL, we were always a big club players wanted to come to and a club with funds to bring those players in. At the NL level, this is no longer true. Last season he started with a squad that just weren't good enough and managed to bring the right players in to make it better. This season he rebuilt the squad within the budget he had, but once again it turned out not to be good enough, and this time it looks like he hasn't managed to bring the right players in (although it's still early days).
The reason for this is quite simple - money. Until Jay gets a bigger player budget, every season we are going to be relying on loans and 'shop window' players to build a squad, and then desperately rebuilding after each January to avoid relegation.
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Post by steveh21 on Feb 18, 2018 20:45:00 GMT
This may sound bizarre but i find supporting Maidstone more fun when we are up against it.. that is when you realise how much the club means to everyone and who sticks by it. Not an easy ride but...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 20:50:27 GMT
This may sound bizarre but i find supporting Maidstone more fun when we are up against it.. that is when you realise how much the club means to everyone and who sticks by it. Not an easy ride but... It does sound bizarre! I missed the Wilderness Years, but I had the Barry Fry Season, and I did NOT enjoy that for one tiny second! |
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Post by eclipse on Feb 18, 2018 22:26:23 GMT
Blimey can't believe some of the stuff written in this thread, we probably have one of the smaller to middle player budgets in this league and that is reflected in the players we attract. I don't blame Jay or the owners, they've had a to spend a small fortune getting the ground up to scratch, any of you who stood in the pissing rain and wind at Bromley on an open terrace last week might appreciate what we have at our ground. It's probably going to be a few years before we're in a position to challenge at the top, so what, we have a sustainable club and the facilities are slowly getting better. I was as disappointed as anyone yesterday but that's football, take the highs with the lows, keep the faith and onto Tuesday night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 8:59:13 GMT
Stayed off this board after the game for the very reason that I knew the whining numpties would be out in force, mainly it would appear, newbies who've only ever known the relative success of the last few years. Well if this is your behaviour at the first sign of trouble the club would be better of without your fair weather support so bugger off back to your glory hunting premier league clubs. What a bunch of ignorant whining knob heads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:17:25 GMT
Just looked at Jay Saunders tweet thanking supporters for their feedback over the weekend and promising to work hard to turn things around. Asks everybody to carry on supporting the players.
Agree 100% with daveu's post. So embarrassing to be associated with some of the crap in this thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:52:31 GMT
My theory is that we weren't really functioning all that well as a team even before the wheels came off, but the results masked this. I realise that sounds mad, as what more do you want from a team other than winning games?! But I never felt that we were convincing winners in most games and were often riding our luck. Once that luck turned (or other teams began to suss us out), we started to see the reality of a team that wasn't really working. Then Hines and Pigott left and any hope of ever winning another league game went with them. Last season we had a different problem - a good side that just wasn't up to the standards of the NL. And drafting in some better players did the trick, by bolsterting an already good (but not quite good enough) side. This season we don't have a good side that just needs boldstering - whatever is wrong is more fundamental than that - and so the same approach won't work. Or at least not with the players that Jay has brought in. Perhaps the only real solution would be to rebuild the team almost from scratch - but it's far too late to do that. So we just have to hope that Jay can get the new signings to do enough to keep us up. The way things are going, that is going to be our only prioriy this season - just gret enough points to stay up, somehow. I've liked this post purely on the highlighted sentence alone. That is precisely what was happening. It was why I was so utterly confused by people thinking we were play off material. I just presumed that something else was happening in the games I wasn't going to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 9:56:00 GMT
Stayed off this board after the game for the very reason that I knew the whining numpties would be out in force, mainly it would appear, newbies who've only ever known the relative success of the last few years. Well if this is your behaviour at the first sign of trouble the club would be better of without your fair weather support so bugger off back to your glory hunting premier league clubs. What a bunch of ignorant whining knob heads. Good Lord, David, if I had posted that...  . It was only a few years ago you were telling me I'd "gone too far" for saying that newbies hadn't turned out for a reserve team game. Jokes aside, there is a reasoned point to be made here. We are not a Premier side so why the histrionics over losing some games. I have consistently said that the newly found 'Maidstone 'till I die' support will prove itself when we start to have a few seasons that ain't so great and we are not at the top. I'm hoping the numbers still turn up and the OTT complaints on here are not a barometer of future attendance. Boreham Wood tomorrow. Let's trot along and see what happens. We have to win at some point (don't we?). Well it might be tomorrow. Enjoy the next twist in the roller coaster and don't get too vexed if it ain't so great. |
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Post by pieman1982 on Feb 19, 2018 10:17:04 GMT
Dave that is a little strong... well rude actually!
This forum is for fans to talk about what we all Love, that being Maidstone United.
I and others respect the “Old boys” who followed the club through the “Dark days” blar... But can we now all agree to stop banging on about it please..?
Let’s live in the here and now!
There is going to be nagative comments and positive, but when things are not going well the negative is going to be more prevalent.
Jay has done a very good job getting us to this league! We were a massive Ryman South club, a huge Ryman Premier club, a Big Conference South club and now an average National League club.
I believe this is our level and as a set up we should be pushing top half of the table around about 10th.
We as fans are not just fans but customers as we pay good hard earnt money (for some) to watch our team.
Too much emphasis is put on how many games a fan attends or how far he/she drives to away games. Some of us work shifts so physically can’t get to some games and others can’t afford it.
So living in the here and now we see a team that is disorganised and not winning, we see our hero Jay down trodden and apparently out of ideas! Yes of course some people think Jay should go, any team in any league would consider removing a manager that has not won for this many games. That doesn’t mean he should go or that I want him to.
The team at the moment are playing as 11 disconnected individuals with no apparent game plan. It’s either errors costing us goals our end or lack of ideals at the other.
Against Barrow there was probably 4 players who put in a shift! These players are not builders and plumbers anymore, they get paid to play football maybe twice a week so we expect them to run their arses off for 90 minutes and concentrate for that period on doing their job! That is not happening. That is Jay’s job to fix.
There is no way this club should be going down with the players we have in the squad, we are riddled with former league players, we have a reasonable player budget and turn a profit every year!
We don’t expect promotion, but we should expect our team to put in a shift every game and go down fighting if we must lose a game and look like we have lost if we have rather than walk off the pitch smiling.
Fleetwood have risen just like we would like to see Maidstone rise, but have just sacked their manager due to poor results in league One.
It does happen and let’s hope Jay turns the corner soon.
We will all be on here many years after Jay and the current squad have gone, no doubt talking about the dark old days when we struggled in the National League an got wet and cold at Bromley...
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Feb 19, 2018 10:38:54 GMT
Three games to save Jay's job?
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. It was only a few years ago you were telling me I'd "gone too far" for saying that newbies hadn't turned out for a reserve team game.
