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New Stand
Mar 22, 2017 15:45:43 GMT
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Post by 61666 on Mar 22, 2017 15:45:43 GMT
How many does the Town End hold? Should be enough for most, if not all away support - even Boring Wood (haha). Make them use turnstiles one and two and home fans come in the usual way and access the new stand via the front of the main stand. Isn't there an entrance at the north end too? If so the ideal exit at the end of the game. Most of the facilities are portable and there were temporary sherberts under the new stand last night. All that money to give half of it to visitors seems waste when it was shown last night what an atmosphere is created.
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Post by goingup on Mar 22, 2017 19:13:01 GMT
Turnstile locations: As I understand it, if you start restricting access to certain parts of the ground through specific turnstiles, then it impacts the capacity of that part of the ground.
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Post by islandstone on Mar 22, 2017 20:18:16 GMT
Someone's stolen 2 and 7.
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Post by jdl on Mar 22, 2017 22:21:32 GMT
Both entrances have two turnstiles, so I don't see why 7&8 works and 1&2 is assumed not to.
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Post by jdl on Mar 22, 2017 22:25:35 GMT
And who's stolen our lights?!
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Post by goingup on Mar 28, 2017 18:49:14 GMT
The official photo from the opening night....
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Post by jdl on Mar 28, 2017 21:46:56 GMT
I want a stand like Woking's at the other end...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 8:25:49 GMT
One day!
DaveU mentioned we can't have a concrete terrace down the river side. Well we have just built a massive stand all out of metal - so surely something similar (modular, easy to dismantle) would do the trick down the side? Maybe only for the section where the water main is, ahem, KNOWN to be, with the rest more solid? (OK I can dream)
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 29, 2017 11:21:09 GMT
It easily possible to build a several terraced cantilevered structure of concrete and steel without digging into the riverbank and disrupting any so-called water pipes (or more importantly the footpath).
I am available for freelance consultancy on this but suspect that the management already have it covered. I do recall a briefing which did say that the riverside is the next area for expansion.
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Post by jdl on Mar 29, 2017 21:12:21 GMT
There are two, not necessarily compatible, views on expansion - ours and the owners'.
Ours are based simply on what we would like to see and/or would suit us personally. The owners' view is based on what is required, how much it costs and what revenue it can generate (although, as fans themselves, thankfully it's not just limited to that).
So, when we think in terms of more covered terracing, they think more seats and more boxes - higher costs, but increased income too. Luckily, our views coincided nicely on the latest capacity upgrade - giving us the wonderful new stand.
But expansion for the next step up (promotion to the EFL) we might mean we're back to the 'more seats/boxes' approach - they'll need to find a way of matching the higher requirements, whilst also generating more income. And quite how that turns out is anyone's guess at the moment.
It could be that covered terracing on the river side (plus some seats in the new stand) is the way to go - relatively low cost, but attracting more fans. Or the cost-benefit equation could point to more costly expansion that brings in higher revenue generating fans - e.g. expanding the main stand. But that, in turn, raises the problem of what to do with the office buildings, classrooms, etc. These can't be incorporated into the stand extension, so would have to be moved to the Town end - preferably built into a new TE stand. And that, of course, would involve a huge expenditure - probably way above anything that could be justified by any increased income.
So, yes, developing the river side and adding seats to the new stand probably is the most economically logical next step. Development of the TE would have to wait for promotion to L1 (and thoughts of the Championship!).
But, a couple of years ago no one would have guessed that we'd have the new stand so soon...
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Post by mrplow on Mar 30, 2017 7:29:27 GMT
It's got to be the town end to do next.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 30, 2017 7:38:28 GMT
Player budget next, to secure Conf Prem status. A couple of seasons of that, with hopefully extra income from higher gates and a nice cup run or two. Am sure the owners would like a period of consolidation after our meteoric rise with its associated infrastructure costs. As others have said, the next step will be even more expensive in terms of ground development AND wages, by dint of aiming for league 2. Important not to get ahead of ourselves...
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Post by nws on Mar 30, 2017 9:29:56 GMT
Christ almighty. What is all this chat I keep seeing about a couple of seasons in this division followed by EFL and then thinking about how we expand for L1? Some people really do live in a parallel dimension.
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Post by goingup on Mar 30, 2017 9:38:07 GMT
I would hate to see us overspend on the Player Budget. If we get through this season unscathed, we will hopefully have little trouble competing with the above average resources we get from the attendances and pitch. Infrastructure spending when possible is the best way to take the club forward - not player budgets.
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Post by jdl on Mar 30, 2017 9:44:53 GMT
It's got to be the town end to do next. I hope you're right! But it's the most expensive option by a long way. The long- term target of developing the stadium has got to include the extension of the main stand, and the moving of the offices, etc to the Town End. And the obvious way to do this is to build all that 'under' a new stand (the 'normal' choice of incorporating changing rooms, etc in the main stand isn't available because of the geography of the JWW) - so any Town End development would have to be built with this in mind, and would therefore be far more expensive than the new north stand. Developing the Town End would also give us a capacity way beyond our needs, Even doing well in the EFL, I can't see our regular attendance being much beyond 3,500 - 4,000 at the most, so whilst a new Town End would give us the required capacity for promotion, we would end up with a ground that was only half full a lot of the time. Not exactly the end of the world (when did we ever fill London Road?!), but something to bear in mind
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