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Post by Benny on Feb 16, 2022 9:59:54 GMT
National league promotion and relegation. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-leagueAt the moment Boreham Wood have four games in hand over top placed Stockport. So we could see an increase in stranded BELTs. Kings Lynn, Weymouth and Dover look certain for relegation. Two of which give us even more incentive to get out of this league.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 16, 2022 12:09:57 GMT
National league promotion and relegation. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-leagueAt the moment Boreham Wood have four games in hand over top placed Stockport. So we could see an increase in stranded BELTs. Kings Lynn, Weymouth and Dover look certain for relegation. Two of which give us even more incentive to get out of this league. Well Weymouth could be good weekend and Kings Lynn would be in the NLN anyway but you are right about Dover. The games in hand that Wankers Wood fc have could in fact harm their promotion push, well we can all hope. Saying this u don't want to go there ever again so I hope they go up then fold.
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 17, 2022 3:35:46 GMT
National league promotion and relegation. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-leagueAt the moment Boreham Wood have four games in hand over top placed Stockport. So we could see an increase in stranded BELTs. Kings Lynn, Weymouth and Dover look certain for relegation. Two of which give us even more incentive to get out of this league. Well Weymouth could be good weekend and Kings Lynn would be in the NLN anyway but you are right about Dover. The games in hand that Wankers Wood fc have could in fact harm their promotion push, well we can all hope. Saying this u don't want to go there ever again so I hope they go up then fold. Unfortunately the money from their FA Cup run will keep the wolves from the door in the short term - unless Hunter embezzles it all of course!
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Post by Dan on Feb 17, 2022 5:22:01 GMT
Any outcome that avoids the double header with Dover over xmas and new year would be much appreciated.
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Post by sword65 on Feb 17, 2022 6:00:19 GMT
Any outcome that avoids the double header with Dover over xmas and new year would be much appreciated. Their double header could still be with Folkestone yet as they are still in the hunt for a playoff place
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Post by jdl on Feb 18, 2022 0:34:15 GMT
Only just noticed that this is the first NL season where there are more ex-EFL clubs (12) than non-league (11). It's taken 36 years for this to happen - since automatic promotion started in 87.
NB: 'ex-EFL' includes clubs that were originally non-league but have had spells in the EFL - currently Yeovil, Barnet and D&R (but not ex-non-league clubs who were elected into the EFL before the NL was created).
If we regard these clubs as 'non-league', the split is ex-EFL 9, non-league 14, and there still hasn't been a season with more 'proper' ex-EFL clubs than non-league. Although there was one season (11/12) with more ex-EFL clubs (10).
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Post by hongkongstone on Feb 18, 2022 3:51:47 GMT
Only just noticed that this is the first NL season where there are more ex-EFL clubs (12) than non-league (11). It's taken 36 years for this to happen - since automatic promotion started in 87. NB: 'ex-EFL' includes clubs that were originally non-league but have had spells in the EFL - currently Yeovil, Barnet and D&R (but not ex-non-league clubs who were elected into the EFL before the NL was created). If we regard these clubs as 'non-league', the split is ex-EFL 9, non-league 14, and there still hasn't been a season with more 'proper' ex-EFL clubs than non-league. Although there was one season (11/12) with more ex-EFL clubs (10). One should be careful of definitions of 'EFL' teams. Gillingham were in the Southern Leadue until 1950 so does that make them a non-EFL team? I suspect this is an existential definition which relates to when one first became aware of football and the various leagues. As such all teams already in the EFL at that time in a persons life is the definition of which are and which are not.
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Post by Benny on Feb 18, 2022 7:12:04 GMT
I have memories of reading results in the newspaper and being impressed by any Conference club getting a four-figure attendance. Nobody would ever have predicted that six Conference clubs would be averaging crowds over 5000. Or that it would become a retirement league for distressed Football League clubs. Maybe there was something worthy in the old election system after all.
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Post by 61666 on Feb 18, 2022 8:12:02 GMT
Back in the day, a club's income was dependent on gate money, so everyone had to live within their means. Then advertising and TV money came along, followed by the likes of Sky and BT Sport and, eventually, the sugar daddy factor. Hence, a big club might still be Man U, City, Liverpool etc, but there are now plenty living well beyond their means. That said, if a club has made it to the League, but now resides in the NLP, so be it and that certainly counts for me. There must be quite a few below the NLP too. Us, for starters, while the likes of Kidderminster, Boston, Rushden and Diamonds and Bradford Park Avenue also go on the list. There's the challenge for footy academics out there. Post 1945, who are the ex FL clubs now now playing below the NLP, or for that matter, no longer in existence at all?
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Post by 1018 on Feb 18, 2022 8:23:33 GMT
York City, Workington Town, Scarborough
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Post by jdl on Feb 18, 2022 10:46:16 GMT
Only just noticed that this is the first NL season where there are more ex-EFL clubs (12) than non-league (11). It's taken 36 years for this to happen - since automatic promotion started in 87. NB: 'ex-EFL' includes clubs that were originally non-league but have had spells in the EFL - currently Yeovil, Barnet and D&R (but not ex-non-league clubs who were elected into the EFL before the NL was created). If we regard these clubs as 'non-league', the split is ex-EFL 9, non-league 14, and there still hasn't been a season with more 'proper' ex-EFL clubs than non-league. Although there was one season (11/12) with more ex-EFL clubs (10). One should be careful of definitions of 'EFL' teams. Gillingham were in the Southern Leadue until 1950 so does that make them a non-EFL team? I suspect this is an existential definition which relates to when one first became aware of football and the various leagues. As such all teams already in the EFL at that time in a persons life is the definition of which are and which are not. It's a bugger - hence my caveats being twice as long as the post! I've tried to pick what I think is the fairest definition by limiting it to post-79 (the creation of the Alliance/Conference/NL) and by recognising the confusion with clubs like Barnet (and indeed us!). And it gets worse when you take in to account clubs like us or Scarborough or Boston - ex-nonleague, who then got promoted into the EFL, but who then went bust, and now exist as phoenix clubs (although I don't regard us as a phoenix club - whatever Wikipedia says!). Are they nonleague, ex-EFL, or even the same club?? Then there's the whole question of the Football League itself. This started as as entirely northern organisation, so all southern clubs were technically 'nonleague'. Hence the famous pub quiz question - which nonleague club won the FA Cup? (The answer is, of course, Spurs.) And finally - what about Sword's favourite club, AFC Wimbledon? Nonleague, then FL, but before the NL was created, then changed name and location (and, in that incarnation, still in the EFL). But then reborn as AFC Wimbledon (phoenix or original club?) - first nonleague, then EFL (via the NL). What happens if they end up back in the NL - are they ex-EFL, ex-nonleague, or even the same club??? And what about MK Dons - what if they end up in the NL? What/who were they before they became MKD - can two clubs have been the same club originally?? Personally, I can't wait for AFCW to rename themselves Wimbledon and then both them and MKD to get relegated into the NL!
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Post by Benny on Feb 18, 2022 11:38:32 GMT
Welcome back. I was worried for your health, or sanity.
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Post by jdl on Feb 18, 2022 17:27:43 GMT
Welcome back. I was worried for your health, or sanity. Thanks, but not really been away, just got tired of the usual suspects' constant carping every time I wrote something that they misconstrued as 'disloyal'.
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Post by daveu on Feb 18, 2022 17:37:51 GMT
Only just noticed that this is the first NL season where there are more ex-EFL clubs (12) than non-league (11). It's taken 36 years for this to happen - since automatic promotion started in 87. NB: 'ex-EFL' includes clubs that were originally non-league but have had spells in the EFL - currently Yeovil, Barnet and D&R (but not ex-non-league clubs who were elected into the EFL before the NL was created). If we regard these clubs as 'non-league', the split is ex-EFL 9, non-league 14, and there still hasn't been a season with more 'proper' ex-EFL clubs than non-league. Although there was one season (11/12) with more ex-EFL clubs (10). If they're in the National League they're non-league. Where they were in the past is irrelevant.
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Post by nws on Feb 19, 2022 0:13:08 GMT
Only just noticed that this is the first NL season where there are more ex-EFL clubs (12) than non-league (11). It's taken 36 years for this to happen - since automatic promotion started in 87. NB: 'ex-EFL' includes clubs that were originally non-league but have had spells in the EFL - currently Yeovil, Barnet and D&R (but not ex-non-league clubs who were elected into the EFL before the NL was created). If we regard these clubs as 'non-league', the split is ex-EFL 9, non-league 14, and there still hasn't been a season with more 'proper' ex-EFL clubs than non-league. Although there was one season (11/12) with more ex-EFL clubs (10). If they're in the National League they're non-league. Where they were in the past is irrelevant. Unless we are arguing about the greatness of Maidstone United, then it is entirely relevant. As is our trip to Wembley, mentioned in a book
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