Jingleton
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Post by Jingleton on Nov 27, 2014 0:52:40 GMT
Well said mate.
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Post by jt on Nov 27, 2014 9:07:45 GMT
Indeed youngden well said.
I've calmed down a bit now and see some people's point.
This is the sort of thing that I've dealt with at work for a number of years so it is easy for me to say do something about it.
With regards to the stewards it is an easy thing to do the course and stick a jacket on. The downside is it takes a special kind of person to be able to actually do and say something.
I stopped stewarding when we came home as I want ed to watch the football in our own ground and I knew that with larger crowds I would not be able to.
I know a small number of the stewards and would say that maybe one would do something if needed to without any fear of any comeback.
One of the problems is that we have taken a large number of them from our own fan base and this does not work.
We also need someone with a strong head who will go and get stuck in when needed. This is only my perception but we are lacking this.
If you get very experienced people in they may be too heavy handed and it'll go the other way.
We do need the right mix but at the moment we are nowhere near that.
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Post by WhitStone on Nov 27, 2014 15:20:53 GMT
I used to do stewarding at wembley stadium and arena and if you had some idiot in the crowd who wasn't doing what they were asked by the stewards you could call in the big guns. These guys would go in to the crowd and carry people out, a person on each limb. They were then depsoited outside of the stadium. A single steward on their own isn't going to be able to deal with it, but a group of them has a much better chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 16:07:55 GMT
surely that is why we have the, so-called, response team at games?
if the little bloke in the crocodile dundee hat is man enough to walk around with "head of security" emblazened over his jacket then he should be man enough to order the response team to go and drag these moronic individuals out, eject them from the ground and ensure they do not tarnish our club in future.
the problem is that crocodile dundee doesn't give a toss and certainly doesn't have the qualities that his elevated title suggests
the club knows this but refuses to do anything about it - in the same way they refused to act against the racist morons who followed us to Calais and the pissed up morons who spoilt the day out at Lowestoft last season - it's almost as if the perpetrators are known to certain high ranking officials at the club
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:37:12 GMT
Indeed youngden well said. I've calmed down a bit now and see some people's point. This is the sort of thing that I've dealt with at work for a number of years so it is easy for me to say do something about it. With regards to the stewards it is an easy thing to do the course and stick a jacket on. The downside is it takes a special kind of person to be able to actually do and say something. I stopped stewarding when we came home as I want ed to watch the football in our own ground and I knew that with larger crowds I would not be able to. I know a small number of the stewards and would say that maybe one would do something if needed to without any fear of any comeback. One of the problems is that we have taken a large number of them from our own fan base and this does not work. We also need someone with a strong head who will go and get stuck in when needed. This is only my perception but we are lacking this. If you get very experienced people in they may be too heavy handed and it'll go the other way. We do need the right mix but at the moment we are nowhere near that. Can't disagree with this. It does need someone with clout to be able to go in and simply tell people to either stop or go. I'm not sure that some vigilante method of doing things is going to work as well as it did in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:41:08 GMT
Not going to bite.... All I'll say is from reading your posts its become pretty apparent that you're determined to oppose anything anyone is saying. Especially NWS who seems to put you in your place a lot of the time. Only been on here a few days too, you're boring mate Actually jt made a very valid observation. If shit happens and people look the other way more shit happens. It's not just down to the stewards, we should all make our feelings known. While I agree with the sentiment about looking the other way I think you have to appreciate that people are unlikely to approach a load of geezers who are shouting the way they were. |
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Post by Loftus Road Stone. on Nov 27, 2014 20:57:28 GMT
Its a hell of a lot easier to ban balloons then nutters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 21:01:40 GMT
Its a hell of a lot easier to ban balloons then nutters. You don't need to ban balloons. You just tell them off and they get a bit deflated |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 21:14:19 GMT
Any chance anyone at the club is reading this?
If they are, it would be nice to get a response.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 22:36:33 GMT
Any chance anyone at the club is reading this? God, I hope not....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 8:23:23 GMT
This is why we have imusc
I promise that this and any other concerns supporters have will be raised at our earliest opportunity with the club
As for Crocodile Dundee, it's strange that he considers it fair game to throw 6 long standing supporters with about 200 years between them watching this club out of any area behind a goal, at an under 21 game with about 100 in the ground, due to 'policing issues' but doesn't have the bottle to deal with the moron element we are now getting!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:12:31 GMT
Would it be worth having a police officer present to back stewards up and given them the confidence to deal with such situations. I can see this being something that is borderline because you are not going to stop every bit of bad language in a football ground and the people involved were enjoying themselves and not being threatening. However, the continual shouting of the comments ofr 45mins was tad tedious for most and reflected poorly upon us as a club.
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Post by jt on Nov 28, 2014 10:25:18 GMT
Strange as it seems they have no real powers in the ground as it is a private space.
It would need the stewards to eject them and then hand them to the police outside.
That is where the stewards would need to be very, very switched on as to what the people had done.
The police would be able to stand by to prevent a breach of the peace should it be required. It's like Whitstone said they have "snatch squads" at professional clubs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:29:27 GMT
If we wanted a police officer we'd have to pay for them. A massive police bill was one of the things that finally sent the old club under back in the early 90's, and it pretty much killed the river festival too. Obviously one or two coppers isn't going to cost what we had to pay back then for a control tower full, but I doubt the club would want that extra expense at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 10:40:12 GMT
Strange as it seems they have no real powers in the ground as it is a private space. It would need the stewards to eject them and then hand them to the police outside. That is where the stewards would need to be very, very switched on as to what the people had done. The police would be able to stand by to prevent a breach of the peace should it be required. It's like Whitstone said they have "snatch squads" at professional clubs There you learn something every day. I guess a beefed up stewarding team it is then. |
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