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Post by La femme de Vic Jobson on Nov 14, 2020 19:15:45 GMT
Anyone else hear Parmenter on radio kent. What a knobhead, he said how can you go by last seasons average gate when the season was finished early. He reckons it is all fair and we should not be moaning. Of course he thinks its fair, he is laughing getting 90k a month, making more money than if crowds are allowed in!!! This is unfair. He isn't a knobhead. He's a c*&^.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 14, 2020 19:18:53 GMT
His first words were to have a pop at Oliver Ash for seeking to protect his own club, which made Parmenter sound, as if there were any doubt, like a bloke who knew he didn’t have a leg to stand on. Utter bull$hit from someone completely lacking in integrity, I hope he sinks without trace. Talked about some detailed formula that had been arrived at that’s been used to calculate the distribution of funds, he even wanted us to believe this had been arrived at independently. My ar$e. - if that were true, why the f*** not come clean and tell everyone what that formula was! He even said that clubs had already received their first payments and that it would be grossly unfair if these were now challenged, effectively saying that those clubs had already either pugged it away for safe keeping, or spent it on new signings. Shambolic leadership. We deserve far better. Would be nice if they NLP came off the fence and reported it like it is too. I wouldn't hold your breath on the NLP reporting the whole story as they dont like controversial stories. I have written to the NLP fans forum on 4 occasions in the last year all on controversial matters, none have been printed instead you get letters from 97 year old Jack who has been watching f**k knows where fc whose faithful dog and watching companion for the last 20 years has had to be put down because he was run over by a f**king tractor.☹
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Post by ade on Nov 14, 2020 20:41:46 GMT
If anyone is interested, in a reply i received yesterday from our MP. See below.
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Post by jdl on Nov 15, 2020 2:24:42 GMT
In Bill's programme notes, he says that our current Covid allocation (£36k/month) leaves us £33k/month short - which is a loss/debt of nearly 300k by the end of the season.
Even if the money was more fairly distributed, we'd still be down by about £12k a month (my estimate - see earlier post - is that we'd still 'only' get about £57k/month). That's a lot better than nearly a third of a million loss, but it's still pretty substantial (well over £100k for the season).
Whichever way you look at it, this is not good news, even if the NL sees sense and makes the next distibution fairier (I can't see them amending the current allocation). And then there's the post-Covid situation - are we going to have no spectators for the whole season? Assuming they let limited crowds back in in the spring, that won't make things any better - any number substantially under 1,800 will see us still making large losses, especially if the grant is discontinued at the same time.
In short, none of these options is sustainable without the club running up substantial losses - anything from £100k to over £300k for the season (on Bill's figures, something like half our normal turnover). I suspect that if T&O had known this for certain back in August, they (and many other clubs) might have decided to abandon the season altogether.
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Post by sword65 on Nov 15, 2020 8:19:25 GMT
In Bill's programme notes, he says that our current Covid allocation (£36k/month) leaves us £33k/month short - which is a loss/debt of nearly 300k by the end of the season. Even if the money was more fairly distributed, we'd still be down by about £12k a month (my estimate - see earlier post - is that we'd still 'only' get about £57k/month). That's a lot better than nearly a third of a million loss, but it's still pretty substantial (well over £100k for the season). Whichever way you look at it, this is not good news, even if the NL sees sense and makes the next distibution fairier (I can't see them amending the current allocation). And then there's the post-Covid situation - are we going to have no spectators for the whole season? Assuming they let limited crowds back in in the spring, that won't make things any better - any number substantially under 1,800 will see us still making large losses, especially if the grant is discontinued at the same time. In short, none of these options is sustainable without the club running up substantial losses - anything from £100k to over £300k for the season (on Bill's figures, something like half our normal turnover). I suspect that if T&O had known this for certain back in August, they (and many other clubs) might have decided to abandon the season altogether. A quick summation of your post,WE ARE FUCKED! Our only hope is this much heralded vaccine, if its successful then we can see the season through with crowds after xmas to help the financial situation,if the vaccine doesnt work then we do face the serious risk of having to slash the budget completely to survive. I truly wish we had pulled out of this season when we had the chance, anyone got a spare Tardis they are not using?☹
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Post by steveh21 on Nov 15, 2020 8:27:37 GMT
Slashing the budget is the obvious answer after christmas. The club can probably accommodate some debt this season but needs to live within its means. Will be interesting to see how the actions of Parmenter and his mates have harmed the chances of more public money coming to help the NL post christmas.
We have some great players in the U23s...so if we can be around the playoffs come March that will be a good season.
After all, can the club afford to get promoted?
Beaten yesterday by another part time team...
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Post by nws on Nov 15, 2020 8:49:14 GMT
Slashing the budget is the obvious answer after christmas. The club can probably accommodate some debt this season but needs to live within its means. Will be interesting to see how the actions of Parmenter and his mates have harmed the chances of more public money coming to help the NL post christmas. We have some great players in the U23s...so if we can be around the playoffs come March that will be a good season. After all, can the club afford to get promoted? Beaten yesterday by another part time team... We would be better off going part time
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Post by porkystone on Nov 15, 2020 9:30:08 GMT
In short, none of these options is sustainable without the club running up substantial losses - anything from £100k to over £300k for the season (on Bill's figures, something like half our normal turnover). I suspect that if T&O had known this for certain back in August, they (and many other clubs) might have decided to abandon the season altogether. Bill's programme notes confirm that quitting the whole season was indeed the preferred option, and that things were only kept going because of the prospect of a FAIR compensation for lost gate receipts.
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Post by steveh21 on Nov 15, 2020 9:49:04 GMT
Full time or quit the season? Surely there was/is a middle way?
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Post by fleetphil on Nov 15, 2020 10:02:27 GMT
Slashing the budget is the obvious answer after christmas. The club can probably accommodate some debt this season but needs to live within its means. Will be interesting to see how the actions of Parmenter and his mates have harmed the chances of more public money coming to help the NL post christmas. We have some great players in the U23s...so if we can be around the playoffs come March that will be a good season. After all, can the club afford to get promoted? Beaten yesterday by another part time team... We would be better off going part time Lets face it, you have been royally shafted, your allocation is a joke, as is J.P.
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Post by Tony G on Nov 15, 2020 10:19:46 GMT
I wouldn't count on any support from the national lottery. I sent them an email a while back with links to all the spreadsheets from the Hereford & Portsmouth guy, showing the simple mathematics of it all. This is their reply. I think the National Lottery promotional fund is creamed off for the Govt to put to good uses
Dear Mr Gilbert, Thank you for your email.
To give you some information on Camelot's and The National Lottery's role in the initiative, this is a commercial partnership with the FA and National Football League. The money for the initiative is coming from a National Lottery promotional fund - it is not being funded by money allocated for National Lottery Good Causes or by Camelot. In addition, The FA and National Football League were responsible for defining how the money was distributed to Clubs - Camelot was not involved in that process.
I hope that is helpful and appreciate you taking the time to get in touch. Kind regards, Sophie National Lottery Customer Care Team
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Post by steveh21 on Nov 15, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
Got to keep the pressure on....
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Post by porkystone on Nov 15, 2020 11:11:37 GMT
A while ago, someone posted a link to a comparison between what we get and what we should have got, but I can't find it. So I did a 'quick' spreadsheet thingy of my own... Just for convenience, the original tweeted ' shafted ' excel file can be found here: onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=CF550DA7DC4F6A38!4489&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!AGE3dhxpRJzLlDQ Or via: tiny.cc/subsidyNL Or via this twitter account ( 21 October post ): twitter.com/pompeydunc
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Post by Tony G on Nov 15, 2020 11:37:49 GMT
Got to keep the pressure on.... I agree Steve. Basically it is fraud
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Post by jdl on Nov 15, 2020 13:58:15 GMT
It's not anything to do with the Lottery people, they just gave the NL the money. It's what the crooked bastards who run the NL then did with it that's the problem.
I'm not one for assuming everyone is up to no good or for believing in conspiracy theories, etc, but I can't see any logic in the way this money has been divied up, especially as it was specifically intended to compensate clubs for lost gate income. The only conclusion is that strings were pulled and favours were done - i.e fraud.
Boreham Wood end up +£55k, we end up -£21k. Dover (att 1,104) quids in to the tune of £40k, whilst Notts County (att 5,210) end up £115k worse off.
Madness.
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