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Post by moley on May 8, 2019 21:58:38 GMT
Isn’t Braintree more northerly than Oxford? Accoring to Wikipedia, Essex is a NS county, not a 'border' county, from which teams can play in either the NS or NN. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_SouthBut then St A and HH are both in Hertfordshire - another NS county, and not a border county... Oxfordshire, however, IS a border county. Although, as you say, Braintree is further north than all three! But the idea of HH and St A, being NN sides when they are just outside the M25 is madness. The NL have given themseves a nice little headache here. Whatever they do, at least two clubs are going to be very pissed off. It all depends what kind of mood the FA bloke is in for Braintree NORTH They are the most northerly candidate, AND it is north of Bishops Stortford ex-Nat League North members SOUTH Essex is not a "border county" and certainly in the lower leagues the FA rule of thumb is that you can't travel past a club in another league to get to your closest fixture. May apply here but questionable. Incidentally, I think Gloucester's ground share may mean they don't have the protection of staying South? I'd put them in the North because I prefer going to Oxford
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Post by farawaystone on May 9, 2019 5:52:31 GMT
The reliable local rag helped me no end saying Braintree, Havant, Aldershot and Maidenhead were all relegated and going South. I have had a recurring nightmare that we were relegated and heading South.
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Post by sword65 on May 9, 2019 6:19:00 GMT
Accoring to Wikipedia, Essex is a NS county, not a 'border' county, from which teams can play in either the NS or NN. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_SouthBut then St A and HH are both in Hertfordshire - another NS county, and not a border county... Oxfordshire, however, IS a border county. Although, as you say, Braintree is further north than all three! But the idea of HH and St A, being NN sides when they are just outside the M25 is madness. The NL have given themseves a nice little headache here. Whatever they do, at least two clubs are going to be very pissed off. It all depends what kind of mood the FA bloke is in for Braintree NORTH They are the most northerly candidate, AND it is north of Bishops Stortford ex-Nat League North members SOUTH Essex is not a "border county" and certainly in the lower leagues the FA rule of thumb is that you can't travel past a club in another league to get to your closest fixture. May apply here but questionable. Incidentally, I think Gloucester's ground share may mean they don't have the protection of staying South? I'd put them in the North because I prefer going to Oxford In the end it does not bleedin matter who goes in NN as long as it isn't us.
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Post by jdl on May 11, 2019 23:21:11 GMT
Finally found the relevant FA rule for the lateral movement of clubs between leagues/divisions (the NL defers to the FA's National League System rules on this): REGULATIONS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF THE NATIONAL LEAGUE SYSTEM "4.2 It may be necessary from time to time to move clubs laterally between leagues at the same Step to accommodate the movement of clubs by normal promotion and relegation. Where this is necessary, no club will be asked to move more than once in every three seasons." (my bold) www.bwdfl.co.uk/bhdfl/upload/NLS-regulations.doc So Gloucester cannot be asked to move back to the NN next season. Logic (ha!) surely dictates that HH and St A are too close to London to be in the NN, so that leaves only Oxford and Braintree.
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Post by jdl on May 11, 2019 23:31:02 GMT
However... In the NL rules it says that: "2.10 The Competition shall allow for up to sixty-eight (68) member Clubs. There will be three (3) divisions. There will be twenty-four (24) Member Clubs in the National League with twenty-two (22) Member Clubs in each of National League North and National League South. The Clubs competing in each division each season will be confirmed by the Annual General Meeting of the Company each year. A Club entered into membership at the Annual General Meeting shall be subject to the application of the Rules until the date of the following Annual General Meeting. It shall be allowed for these numbers to be increased to accommodate any anomaly in the National League System." (my bold) www.thenationalleague.org.uk/articles/league-rules-1013So, in theory, they could increase the NS to 23 or 24 clubs instead of transferring clubs to the NN. Although it isn't clear if the NN would be allowed to have less than 22 clubs as a result. The last sentence of the rule says "allowed these numbers to be increased", but you could take the first sentence "allow for up to sixty-eight (68) member Clubs" to mean that the competition could have less than 68 member clubs - i.e. that the NN could have less than 22 clubs. But I can't see them doing this, so presumably, it's bye-bye Oxford and Braintree.
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Post by daveu on May 12, 2019 15:20:56 GMT
You're forgetting this is the NL we're talking about...so arrivederci Gloucester.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 8:21:58 GMT
So...
Aldershot Town or Truro City (if Shots get a reprieve) Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth
If you wish, add Gloucester and remove Braintree.
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 13, 2019 8:46:18 GMT
So... Aldershot Town or Truro City (if Shots get a reprieve) Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth If you wish, add Gloucester and remove Braintree. Game On! Three tasty local Kent derbies, grudge matches at Ricay and the fake Stones, some nearby Essex teams, some old favourites like the Hamlet, and maybe ex NL in the Shots and H&W under Paul Doswell. It could be tough for us to make play offs, but we should see some cracking games. COYS!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 8:56:47 GMT
Away games I'd like to go to: Aldershot Town or Truro City Bath City Chippenham Town Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town - only about 18 miles away Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United (only been there for a KL game v Erith & B) Weymouth
And yes maybe even some home games too.
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Post by jdl on May 13, 2019 9:00:21 GMT
So... Aldershot Town or Truro City (if Shots get a reprieve) Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth If you wish, add Gloucester and remove Braintree. Some nice aways there. For those with more understanding wives and wallets, football every week... Going to be a bugger choosing between grounds I'd like to go back to or ones I haven't seen. A weekend in Bath in September or April would be nice (not going to happen!). Weymouth not bad either. Perhaps Truro, if they get a reprieve - never been there. Almost a pity we have to go back to the NL...
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Post by jdh80 on May 13, 2019 9:12:40 GMT
So... Aldershot Town or Truro City (if Shots get a reprieve) Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth If you wish, add Gloucester and remove Braintree. Shame we can't choose as I've not been to Gloucester and Braintree is a dump
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Post by Better things to do in life on May 13, 2019 10:19:40 GMT
So... Aldershot Town or Truro City (if Shots get a reprieve) Bath City Billericay Town Braintree Town Chelmsford City Chippenham Town Concord Rangers Dartford Dorking Wanderers Dulwich Hamlet Eastbourne Borough Hampton & Richmond Borough Havant & Waterlooville Hemel Hempstead Town Hungerford Town Maidstone United Slough Town St Albans City Tonbridge Angels Wealdstone Welling United Weymouth If you wish, add Gloucester and remove Braintree. Some nice aways there. For those with more understanding wives and wallets, football every week... Going to be a bugger choosing between grounds I'd like to go back to or ones I haven't seen. A weekend in Bath in September or April would be nice (not going to happen!). Weymouth not bad either. Perhaps Truro, if they get a reprieve - never been there. Almost a pity we have to go back to the NL... Looking more closely at this list, Weymouth look like they could be strong opponents - young up and coming Manager, excellent stadium, on the up.
Welling will have something to prove after just missing out this year, as will Wealdstone, and Chelmsford
H&W and the Shots will want to bounce back , and Ricay, Bath and Darts will be feeling well overdue being stuck in NLS.
Add to this some plucky tough nuts like Angels, Hamlet, Dorking and Slough, and a play off place - or higher- would be a real achievement, especially as we don't have a squad yet!
COYS!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 8:09:27 GMT
Two snippets from Non-league forum to put into the mix:
The "don't move twice in 3 years" clause is only if the team objects, and Gloucester seem OK going north. So off they go.
*IF* Gateshead just get demoted one level to Nat N, that reprieves Shots but not Truro... and would put Oxford City back in Nat S. Nobody seems to know which of about 5 levels Gateshead will be at next season though.
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Post by jdl on May 14, 2019 10:57:12 GMT
Two snippets from Non-league forum to put into the mix: The "don't move twice in 3 years" clause is only if the team objects, and Gloucester seem OK going north. So off they go. *IF* Gateshead just get demoted one level to Nat N, that reprieves Shots but not Truro... and would put Oxford City back in Nat S. Nobody seems to know which of about 5 levels Gateshead will be at next season though. Judging from their player's comments, etc, I think you might be right about Gloucester. Anyway, it would be crazy to have a team that far north in the NS, and others much further south in the NN. Isn't there some rule (or rule of thumb) that you shouldn't be able to pass a club in the other league/division on the way to visit one in your own league/division? My brain is very slow this morning, so I don't understand the Gateshead/Truro/Oxford thing. Doesn't that leave NN one team short? It would be good, in a way, if Gateshead got relegated more than one league, as it would be a shot over the bows of other clubs with 'creative' approaches to finance, and show that the NL were serious. But it would also be a bit of a shock - and not just to Gateshead. Got to feel for the fans though. Although, at least it's unlikely they'll end up in a league most of their fans have never heard of before...
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Post by porkystone on May 15, 2019 10:50:47 GMT
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