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Post by sword65 on Mar 1, 2019 11:25:58 GMT
The constant moaning about our owners is ridiculous. We remain very very lucky to have Oliver and Terry on board and as has been stated here the amount they have had to spend on the ground because of the success on the field before we made it to the NL means less money for players. The irony is that Jay got us here and paid with his job. I personally still think that was the wrong decision and I have seen nothing since he left to change my mind. Seven years of stability replaced by seven months of absolute chaos. The owners made a mistake giving Harry the job because they thought he was another Jay Saunders (how wrong can you be) but they have more than repaired that error by appointing John Still and Hak. What they do need to do is sign players who can actually play on a narrow 3G pitch. Every other club seems to have no trouble at all on it. Also, I think our problems started when we went full-time. Low full-time wages versus high wages for a player who also has another job. National South will be a rebuilding session and like going into rehab after what has gone on this season. Tues was (another) new low... have we hit the bottom yet??? Have we hit bottom yet? This question brings to mind the stockbrokers quote "beware of the dead cat bounce" which in MUFC terms translates to we get a good draw at Solihull then lose 7-0 at home to H&W .
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 1, 2019 12:08:28 GMT
The constant moaning about our owners is ridiculous. We remain very very lucky to have Oliver and Terry on board and as has been stated here the amount they have had to spend on the ground because of the success on the field before we made it to the NL means less money for players. The irony is that Jay got us here and paid with his job. I personally still think that was the wrong decision and I have seen nothing since he left to change my mind. Seven years of stability replaced by seven months of absolute chaos. The owners made a mistake giving Harry the job because they thought he was another Jay Saunders (how wrong can you be) but they have more than repaired that error by appointing John Still and Hak. What they do need to do is sign players who can actually play on a narrow 3G pitch. Every other club seems to have no trouble at all on it. Also, I think our problems started when we went full-time. Low full-time wages versus high wages for a player who also has another job. National South will be a rebuilding session and like going into rehab after what has gone on this season. Tues was (another) new low... have we hit the bottom yet??? Excellent post. And I think we should have a serious rethink about being 'full-tine'. As soon as we took that step, we simultaneously lost the chance of keeping players like Flish and Mills, and put ourselves in a position where we couldn't compete with the richer full-time clubs. We lost both ways. I realise, of course, that it's not as simple as just going back to semi-pro, as that would mean going back to evening training and players struggling to make evening games etc (although a cynic might point out that we don't seem to have gained much from full-time training). But surely it's possible to come up with a hybrid solution, where we have a mixture of full and part-time players - perhaps with day-time training for those who can make it, plus more intensive evening training? The more I think about it, the more I think going 'full-time'was where the rot set in. We lost players like Mills (and many other potential NL standard lower-league players), but struggled to find full-time players any better. Both excellent posts! Sad to think of what we lost going full time, especially when you mention Flish and Millsy - but of course Flish is a bit of a sicknote now, sadly. Please lets go back to part-time or a hybrid if that's whats needed to get the heart/passion back!
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Post by jdl on Mar 1, 2019 14:14:04 GMT
I wonder how much our Ryman League ground and plastic pitch put off the top calibre players, because currently we have no prospect of promotion. I can't see that myself, the ground itself is on a par with many other NL grounds and some visiting fans haven't realised it's a plastic pitch. The absence of squirrels rather gives it away...
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Post by Bernie on Mar 1, 2019 14:32:07 GMT
There is an argument that when we were part time we had the pick of the best non league talent. Now we are competing for the EFL and youth team rejects with the smallest budget. Not convinced we benefited that much by changing.
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Post by stones1 on Mar 1, 2019 14:45:26 GMT
This season has just been crap from the off. Jay's summer recruitment was nowhere near good enough, too many players who weren't really good enough for us last year stayed when it should have been the time for a complete overhaul top to bottom. With players like shamir earning £800 a week and finney more than that left the squad imbalanced and as a result picked up players like wynter and efete. He should have gone in the summer instead of when he did.
Then Wheeler comes in and for the first 6 or 7 weeks he doesn't do a bad job. The whole season seems to have turned with Romains sending off at Havant, confidence went after that and the next game blair picks up his injury, if this didn't happen I honestly feel Wheeler would still be in the job and we wouldn't be in the position we are now, though entirely down to Turgott and not HW whatsoever.
John and Hakan come in but it's too little too late, having pretty much three managers and three different squads in one season was never going to work. Not sure the owners are entirely to blame, can understand why Jay went, if it was your money and it was spent in the way it was on that squad you would hardly be impressed either. But some poor, panicked decisions didn't alleviate the situation and as Walton has said, we are where we are.
As others have said; those asking for the owners to sell up - if you can find someone to repay their investments and be genuine people who would take over with the clubs best intentions at heart, I think they would. But being where we are in the country, traditionally not a footballing town and with supports as entitled and fickle as some of ours, who the hell would want to.
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Post by jdl on Mar 1, 2019 16:43:05 GMT
Name me a club that doesn't have fickle supporters.
I don't for one second think O&T want to sell up - where on earth did that come from? They'd welcome another 'invester', of course, but I'm sure it would only be on their terms. They didn't do all this just to hand it over to someone else.
This is just one bad season, that's all. It's hit us hard after all the success. But it was bound to happen eventually. In a few years time we'll look back on it as just a blip, a necessary reality check.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 1, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
Be interested to know if Mullins really was on £800 a week. Equally, the season certainly turned on the H&W game and Turgott's injury the one after. A couple of cup games and the home match v Wrexham apart, we've been on a downward spiral ever since, especially at home. Given that Romain's red card was rescinded, it makes you think, what if? However, the continued deterioration of form suggests otherwise. There is something not right at the club that can only be cured by a root and branch clear out. NL standards have slipped badly in the last couple of years, with (in my experience) very little flair and talent, just a lot of workmanlike teams full of players that are big and strong, but little else. Solihull on Saturday probably the best example of this. Compared to our players when they visited the G, they were nearly all several inches taller and several stone heavier. They play to a formula and it works, so good luck to them. Can't see it prospering in L2 though. The first season we were promoted, there were plenty of skilful teams who played us off the park at times: Sutton, FGR, Aldershot, BW to name but a few. Where are all those skills now one wonders?
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Post by Nick on Mar 2, 2019 19:25:24 GMT
How much hope have we enjoyed since our first managerial sacking of the season ? Tbf the team that Jay put together was always going to struggle in or around the relegation mire. So my rating of the Jay Saunder's team = 6/10
Harry Wheeler dragged us down at least a couple of notches. Soul destroying stuff. = 4/10
Brief interlude of some rather better performances under the 'dynamic duo' = 6/10
New experienced management team followed by shocking performances = 3/10
Scary stuff indeed !
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Post by sdg on Mar 2, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
How much hope have we enjoyed since our first managerial sacking of the season ? Tbf the team that Jay put together was always going to struggle in or around the relegation mire. So my rating of the Jay Saunder's team = 6/10 Harry Wheeler dragged us down at least a couple of notches. Soul destroying stuff. = 4/10 Brief interlude of some rather better performances under the 'dynamic duo' = 6/10 New experienced management team followed by shocking performances = 3/10 Scary stuff indeed ! I was going to post something similar to this. Interesting to see that bad results last year and during this season have all been managers fault, now we have an experienced manager we like it's suddenly all the players fault. Worryingly for me are the players Still has brought in, they have been useless and part of the reason why we are now turning 1-0 and 2-1 losses into 3-0 and 5-0 hammerings.
The football has regressed and I suddenly find myself wondering if Wheeler's football was as bad as we thought when you watch performances such as Halifax, Stockport and today. The players are done, nothing left in the tank confidence wise or passion wise. 90% need moving on if we can and replaced with (dare I say it) a bunch of men who can form a team ethos that matches the ambition of the football club - like Jay did season after season.
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Post by meerkat87 on Mar 2, 2019 20:38:18 GMT
How much hope have we enjoyed since our first managerial sacking of the season ? Tbf the team that Jay put together was always going to struggle in or around the relegation mire. So my rating of the Jay Saunder's team = 6/10 Harry Wheeler dragged us down at least a couple of notches. Soul destroying stuff. = 4/10 Brief interlude of some rather better performances under the 'dynamic duo' = 6/10 New experienced management team followed by shocking performances = 3/10 Scary stuff indeed ! Nick how are you managing to judge the news guys already already? He needs to reassemble in the closed season he can't do it at this stage of the season. Your posts are usually ok but this is shocking. Compare Harry to Jay yeah but not these two. Far too soon .
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Post by jdl on Mar 2, 2019 21:02:09 GMT
Terry: "OK, John, you've got the job - what are your plans?"
John: "Get rid of this crock of shit asap and build a team that will do well in the NS."
Terry: "And maybe try to keep us up?"
John: (pauses to look at players training outside) "No."
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Post by Nick on Mar 2, 2019 22:41:24 GMT
How much hope have we enjoyed since our first managerial sacking of the season ? Tbf the team that Jay put together was always going to struggle in or around the relegation mire. So my rating of the Jay Saunder's team = 6/10 Harry Wheeler dragged us down at least a couple of notches. Soul destroying stuff. = 4/10 Brief interlude of some rather better performances under the 'dynamic duo' = 6/10 New experienced management team followed by shocking performances = 3/10 Scary stuff indeed ! Nick how are you managing to judge the news guys already already? He needs to reassemble in the closed season he can't do it at this stage of the season. Your posts are usually ok but this is shocking. Compare Harry to Jay yeah but not these two. Far too soon . Just to clarify my point meerkat, I have simply scored the teams performances under the different management regimes. I am not judging the management teams. Just saying that we seem to have bottomed out at the moment (cannot imagine we can get any worse) If we had hoped for a 'bounce' with John Still's appointment, then the opposite has happened. Like quite a few others I was disappointed when Jay Saunders left but I recognised that we were facing another season of battling the threat of R. The appointment of Harry Wheeler was a disaster, something that we can all agree upon. Then our interim mangers did a half decent job, got some mixed results, but there was an improvement in play. Lastly we appoint an experienced management team and it looks like the wheels have fallen off ! Does that mean I think the club has made a duff appointment in John Still and company ? No, I am absolutely behind the latest management team - 100%. But face facts - current performances have taken another nosedive, with new recruits looking worse than the old, morale at rock bottom and the team is all over the place. This forum makes for depressing reading - Cannot imagine what JS is thinking right now.
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 2, 2019 23:01:47 GMT
Have we hit the bottom yet...?
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Post by toonarmy on Mar 2, 2019 23:24:31 GMT
That will be next week
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Post by sword65 on Mar 2, 2019 23:53:41 GMT
Have we hit the bottom yet...? NOPE!
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