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Post by hammerstone on Feb 28, 2019 21:00:50 GMT
I don’t think we need new owners as such, but further investment from outside would probably be the difference in getting the right players we speak of, instead of our approach which is basically clubs in our leagues sloppy seconds or kids from u23 league teams.
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Post by Nick on Mar 1, 2019 0:07:59 GMT
Agree hammerstone but it is still wishful thinking and not the fault of the owners that we are not swamped with people wanting to gift serious amounts of money to the club. Terry and Oliver have been great for the Stones which wouldn't be in existence today if it were not for their investment and support. Some supporters need to get real. Our owners are open to offers but there is not an endless supply of millionaires getting in line to chuck bundles of dosh at the club with the aim of achieving a nil return. We do seem to have a few dopey supporters who think Terry and Oliver have taken the club as far as they can. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by hongkongstone on Mar 1, 2019 1:21:49 GMT
Well done 61666 for starting this thread, I was almost about to start something similar. Anyway - to stir up the hornet's nest - IF we are going down this season (and I wish the team could prove me wrong) would in hindsight everyone have been more comfortable if Jason Dawes were still at the helm with a settled and recognisable squad OR under the current circumstances with the 5th management team of the season and a host of journeyman/loanees wearing the black and amber? I realise it is a hypothetical question but my preference would have been for the former.
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Post by Bernie on Mar 1, 2019 8:15:50 GMT
I wonder how much our Ryman League ground and plastic pitch put off the top calibre players, because currently we have no prospect of promotion.
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Post by daveu on Mar 1, 2019 8:21:22 GMT
Well done 61666 for starting this thread, I was almost about to start something similar. Anyway - to stir up the hornet's nest - IF we are going down this season (and I wish the team could prove me wrong) would in hindsight everyone have been more comfortable if Jason Dawes were still at the helm with a settled and recognisable squad OR under the current circumstances with the 5th management team of the season and a host of journeyman/loanees wearing the black and amber? I realise it is a hypothetical question but my preference would have been for the former. I think in the end, even Jay realised it was time to go, and maybe should have done earlier. The mistake was in not getting in the right replacement and allowing the clown too much free reign to completely dismantle the squad. Whatever the faults of Jay's squad, at least most of them had some loyalty and affinity to the club and supporters. With only a couple of exceptions that seems to be missing now and is something John Still needs to rebuild next season.
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Post by 61666 on Mar 1, 2019 8:26:52 GMT
Plastic pitch maybe. Ryman ground? Hardly think so. Yes, the ex FL clubs have decent stadia to play in, though the likes of the Racecourse is hardly a palace. Solihull? Braintree? Dover? Bromley? Ebbsfleet? To name but a few. About half the NL grounds are neither as modern or pristine as ours, while dropping to the NLS means few, if any clubs will have facilities to match - another enticement for players to move here, hopefully.
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 1, 2019 9:06:06 GMT
Well done 61666 for starting this thread, I was almost about to start something similar. Anyway - to stir up the hornet's nest - IF we are going down this season (and I wish the team could prove me wrong) would in hindsight everyone have been more comfortable if Jason Dawes were still at the helm with a settled and recognisable squad OR under the current circumstances with the 5th management team of the season and a host of journeyman/loanees wearing the black and amber? I realise it is a hypothetical question but my preference would have been for the former. I think in the end, even Jay realised it was time to go, and maybe should have done earlier. The mistake was in not getting in the right replacement and allowing the clown too much free reign to completely dismantle the squad. Whatever the faults of Jay's squad, at least most of them had some loyalty and affinity to the club and supporters. With only a couple of exceptions that seems to be missing now and is something John Still needs to rebuild next season. Apart from still wondering that Jay may have still been successful if a John Still or other DoF had been brought in to move him on tactically from where he had got stuck, I agree with everything you say Dave, and harks back to my previous posts on what I meant by how the Clown ripped the heart out of MUFC.
JS Mark II really does needs to restore that heart, but the Stockport replay performance was possibly an even worse experience of how dead the Spirit of the club (In the First Team squad, I mean, not talking about fans and other employees of MUFC)...........so he needs to work a bit harder!
BTW Has Bill Williams stepped aside completely now? As both are legendary ex-MUFC Managers, JS and BW together working to restore the heart of the club in the players, and communicating their thoughts and plans to do that with the fans, surely would be the most powerful combination? More so than from the owners whoi still have their tail between their legs over hiring the Grim Reaper.
I'm afraid HH, nice guy maybe, and good coach maybe, doesn't present a very convincing picture of a club being rebuilt/restored/having the heart put back in it.
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Post by steveh21 on Mar 1, 2019 9:24:25 GMT
The constant moaning about our owners is ridiculous. We remain very very lucky to have Oliver and Terry on board and as has been stated here the amount they have had to spend on the ground because of the success on the field before we made it to the NL means less money for players. The irony is that Jay got us here and paid with his job. I personally still think that was the wrong decision and I have seen nothing since he left to change my mind. Seven years of stability replaced by seven months of absolute chaos. The owners made a mistake giving Harry the job because they thought he was another Jay Saunders (how wrong can you be) but they have more than repaired that error by appointing John Still and Hak. What they do need to do is sign players who can actually play on a narrow 3G pitch. Every other club seems to have no trouble at all on it. Also, I think our problems started when we went full-time. Low full-time wages versus high wages for a player who also has another job. National South will be a rebuilding session and like going into rehab after what has gone on this season. Tues was (another) new low... have we hit the bottom yet???
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Post by Better things to do in life on Mar 1, 2019 9:50:40 GMT
The constant moaning about our owners is ridiculous. We remain very very lucky to have Oliver and Terry on board and as has been stated here the amount they have had to spend on the ground because of the success on the field before we made it to the NL means less money for players. The irony is that Jay got us here and paid with his job. I personally still think that was the wrong decision and I have seen nothing since he left to change my mind. Seven years of stability replaced by seven months of absolute chaos. The owners made a mistake giving Harry the job because they thought he was another Jay Saunders (how wrong can you be) but they have more than repaired that error by appointing John Still and Hak. What they do need to do is sign players who can actually play on a narrow 3G pitch. Every other club seems to have no trouble at all on it. Also, I think our problems started when we went full-time. Low full-time wages versus high wages for a player who also has another job. National South will be a rebuilding session and like going into rehab after what has gone on this season. Tues was (another) new low... have we hit the bottom yet??? Not moaning about our owners, Steve. I support Oliver and Terry. I think I agree with you about Jay but you have to admit he had come to a clueless point in his Managerial Career which, with hindsight, he needed support and mentoring for, (maybe not firing, as your seven years and seven months comment rings horribly true).
Also agree 100% about going full time too soon. But are we not staying full time next year? I hope not, we need semipro plumbers and builders with a passion to play.
Bring on the rehab! I also REALLY hope that Tuesday night was the bottom, but a 7-0 at Solihull may be still on the cards, unless our squad this week has suddenly had some kind of epiphany.
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Post by jdl on Mar 1, 2019 9:58:03 GMT
The constant moaning about our owners is ridiculous. We remain very very lucky to have Oliver and Terry on board and as has been stated here the amount they have had to spend on the ground because of the success on the field before we made it to the NL means less money for players. The irony is that Jay got us here and paid with his job. I personally still think that was the wrong decision and I have seen nothing since he left to change my mind. Seven years of stability replaced by seven months of absolute chaos. The owners made a mistake giving Harry the job because they thought he was another Jay Saunders (how wrong can you be) but they have more than repaired that error by appointing John Still and Hak. What they do need to do is sign players who can actually play on a narrow 3G pitch. Every other club seems to have no trouble at all on it. Also, I think our problems started when we went full-time. Low full-time wages versus high wages for a player who also has another job. National South will be a rebuilding session and like going into rehab after what has gone on this season. Tues was (another) new low... have we hit the bottom yet??? Excellent post. And I think we should have a serious rethink about being 'full-tine'. As soon as we took that step, we simultaneously lost the chance of keeping players like Flish and Mills, and put ourselves in a position where we couldn't compete with the richer full-time clubs. We lost both ways. I realise, of course, that it's not as simple as just going back to semi-pro, as that would mean going back to evening training and players struggling to make evening games etc (although a cynic might point out that we don't seem to have gained much from full-time training). But surely it's possible to come up with a hybrid solution, where we have a mixture of full and part-time players - perhaps with day-time training for those who can make it, plus more intensive evening training? The more I think about it, the more I think going 'full-time'was where the rot set in. We lost players like Mills (and many other potential NL standard lower-league players), but struggled to find full-time players any better.
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Post by jakeyboi on Mar 1, 2019 10:24:12 GMT
Has anyone every clarified what are the terms of us going "full time" IMO that would mean the players turning up at least 4 days a week but I,m sure I ,ve read this season that we still only train 2-3 times a week, thats hardly full time is it.
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Post by hammerstone on Mar 1, 2019 10:29:32 GMT
Has anyone every clarified what are the terms of us going "full time" IMO that would mean the players turning up at least 4 days a week but I,m sure I ,ve read this season that we still only train 2-3 times a week, thats hardly full time is it. I’m not 100% but the 2-3 sessions a week are more prolonged as they are day training, similar to a day at work rather than turning up on an evening where you have a few hours each time
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Post by daveu on Mar 1, 2019 10:50:43 GMT
Has anyone every clarified what are the terms of us going "full time" IMO that would mean the players turning up at least 4 days a week but I,m sure I ,ve read this season that we still only train 2-3 times a week, thats hardly full time is it. I believe we are training 3 mornings a week, plus I think they come in on Saturdays if we don't have a game, and players are also expected to work on fitness and recovery in their own time. Add in to that 1 or 2 match days and you must be getting pretty close to full time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 11:00:40 GMT
Has anyone every clarified what are the terms of us going "full time" IMO that would mean the players turning up at least 4 days a week but I,m sure I ,ve read this season that we still only train 2-3 times a week, thats hardly full time is it. I believe we are training 3 mornings a week, plus I think they come in on Saturdays if we don't have a game, and players are also expected to work on fitness and recovery in their own time. Add in to that 1 or 2 match days and you must be getting pretty close to full time. Not entirely sure we can include match time in the number of hours worked, given the lack of effort and care some of them... I was going to say 'put in', but you put in a negative quantity?
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Post by ringlestoner on Mar 1, 2019 11:01:08 GMT
I wonder how much our Ryman League ground and plastic pitch put off the top calibre players, because currently we have no prospect of promotion. I can't see that myself, the ground itself is on a par with many other NL grounds and some visiting fans haven't realised it's a plastic pitch.
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