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Post by jdh80 on Dec 24, 2018 15:43:11 GMT
Wheeler out. Read Pax in KOL about Stewart Lewis a Stones favourite who should still be with us. Says it all about HWs management style ripping the soul out of our club in just a few months. Wheelers reign is toxic. What about Finney instantly being man if the match for the Shots? The relief st leaving the big dark cloud over MUFC inspires players who leave - look at Lozar goals at Woking. This thread heading is the minority view. Is it going to take the hundreds who left at 0-3 vs the Heed to turn up at the Gallagher with banners and protests for the owners to listen? Lewis was not performing this season and the subject of a number of fans even before wheeler came in. Finney yes a good defender but he was at fault for so many goals so could see him not lasting much longer, constantly losing his man at corners etc. Loza scoring goals at Woking well yes it's a much lower level against lesser teams and poorer defences
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Post by jdh80 on Dec 24, 2018 15:44:51 GMT
WhAt a bunch of mugs u are are if u support this clown. Ripped the heart of the club can u not see this ? Please can you explain how he ripped the heart out of the club. The heart of any football club is it's fans and regardless of who is in charge the fans will still be there.
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Post by jdh80 on Dec 24, 2018 15:48:00 GMT
Rather questionable logic! What does he have to do for you to stop supporting him? That statement is where your mistake lies JDL maybe it,s not Harry we are supporting but the club itself. In my opinion it makes no difference who the manager is I would still support them. Maybe you could give it a try Boxing Day down a wet cold dirty Dover. JDL's a west ham fan they are used to chopping changing managers they have no knowledge of loyalty, one poor result and they are all sack the manager sack the board.
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Post by binsey on Dec 24, 2018 15:53:48 GMT
Well done Binsey you idiot. Let Wheeler Out part 2 commence... f**k off and don’t support the club . Nearly every Man Utd fan wanted Jose gone but every home game they still sold out to support the them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are exactly what Bill wants rid off !!! Merry Christmas see you at Stones when wheeler goes
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Post by Better things to do in life on Dec 24, 2018 16:01:17 GMT
That statement is where your mistake lies JDL maybe it,s not Harry we are supporting but the club itself. In my opinion it makes no difference who the manager is I would still support them. Maybe you could give it a try Boxing Day down a wet cold dirty Dover. JDL's a west ham fan they are used to chopping changing managers they have no knowledge of loyalty, one poor result and they are all sack the manager sack the board. If I have to explain the heart of the club I'm probably wasting my time but here goes. It's the feeling, the overall atmosphere which comes from players, staff,and fans together,with loyalty, banter, fun,and good football, win it lose.How much of that do you feel at the Gallagher or from the managers or even the players under HW?
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Post by daveu on Dec 24, 2018 16:08:33 GMT
How many times? We are all supporters, we all support the Stones. And we all have the right to criticise the manager. I seem to remember you doing much the same with Jay - without a fraction of the reason we now have with Harry. Were you not supporting the club then? After Saunders losing streak of 17 games the previous season I did moan about him as an individual but never did I complain about the club like what is happening now, I think Bill got it right in his blog either support or shut up. So will you be at Dover on Wednesday? And that is exactly what we are doing now. Clearly it's not necessary to support the manager to support the club, and the reason many of us don't anymore is because we want what we feel is best for the club. You and many others felt exactly the same about he who I'm not allowed to mention any more, and no one questioned your support of the club. Why should you question ours just because we don't feel Harry is the man for the job anymore.
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Post by jakeyboi on Dec 24, 2018 16:34:26 GMT
After Saunders losing streak of 17 games the previous season I did moan about him as an individual but never did I complain about the club like what is happening now, I think Bill got it right in his blog either support or shut up. So will you be at Dover on Wednesday? And that is exactly what we are doing now. Clearly it's not necessary to support the manager to support the club, and the reason many of us don't anymore is because we want what we feel is best for the club. You and many others felt exactly the same about he who I'm not allowed to mention any more, and no one questioned your support of the club. Why should you question ours just because we don't feel Harry is the man for the job anymore. So come on Daveu in your opinion who should be the next manager of the club as you an others clearly dont want HW ?
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Post by jdh80 on Dec 24, 2018 16:42:45 GMT
And that is exactly what we are doing now. Clearly it's not necessary to support the manager to support the club, and the reason many of us don't anymore is because we want what we feel is best for the club. You and many others felt exactly the same about he who I'm not allowed to mention any more, and no one questioned your support of the club. Why should you question ours just because we don't feel Harry is the man for the job anymore. So come on Daveu in your opinion who should be the next manager of the club as you an others clearly dont want HW ? It wouldn't have mattered who came into the club there was always going to be a large percentage of the fanbase who resented the new manager due to their affection to js. What has not worked for harry wheeler is that the results have not improved, had they have done then the animosity towards him would not be as vile as it is now, there would still be that element of fans who will never accept a new manager regardless of who is in charge, even if we get a new manager it will be two weeks before we have certain fans calling for their head if we don't win their first two games in charge
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Post by gromley on Dec 24, 2018 17:07:13 GMT
And that is exactly what we are doing now. Clearly it's not necessary to support the manager to support the club, and the reason many of us don't anymore is because we want what we feel is best for the club. You and many others felt exactly the same about he who I'm not allowed to mention any more, and no one questioned your support of the club. Why should you question ours just because we don't feel Harry is the man for the job anymore. So come on Daveu in your opinion who should be the next manager of the club as you an others clearly dont want HW ? That's the dilemma isn't it? Much as I'm personally unhappy with what Harry has done/achieved so far, I'm not convinced that sacking him will "save our season" and in fact it could be more damaging to the club.
I was impressed with the interview Tristan Lewis gave a couple of games ago and if that was indicative of any dissension in the ranks then my hope would be that Harry is big enough to accept he maybe needs to listen a bit more.
It's an uncomfortable position all round and my main hope is that the club can avoid a blame game melt down.
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Post by 61666 on Dec 24, 2018 17:22:57 GMT
Not sure where this is all going. A new manager was brought in to improve results. Despite a complete turnover in players, we are currently as poor now as we were at the start of September. Three months ought to be enough for any new manager to start showing some positive impact. Indeed, most changes of management have an almost immediate positive effect, with players trying hard to impress, new signings improving areas of weakness etc. Seems to have worked for Dover and Dagenham, while even the likes of Havant and Maidenhead are picking up points here and there. We, on the other hand are bottom of the form table with little sign of improvement. Instead we see constant tinkering to no effect. Despite all this, there are those who think more time is needed. Question is, how much? Till we are relegated? Into next season? A couple of wins is all we need? Maybe, but nothing in our play suggests this is going to happen anytime soon and Dover will be going into the Boxing Day game far more confident than us. More than happy to be proved wrong and will be pleased for Wheeler if he can turn it round. Just can't see where or when.
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Post by daveu on Dec 24, 2018 17:39:20 GMT
And that is exactly what we are doing now. Clearly it's not necessary to support the manager to support the club, and the reason many of us don't anymore is because we want what we feel is best for the club. You and many others felt exactly the same about he who I'm not allowed to mention any more, and no one questioned your support of the club. Why should you question ours just because we don't feel Harry is the man for the job anymore. So come on Daveu in your opinion who should be the next manager of the club as you an others clearly dont want HW ? It's not down to supporters to choose the manager, and I was not one of those who was anti HW, but it has dragged on too long now with no improvement, or any sign that one is imminent. I'm happy to be wrong, and if he keeps us up I'll eat my words, but how long do we leave it before it's too late. 6 points against Dover would be a start but even that might not be enough if we don't follow it up with a consistent improvement in the new year. I admit that getting rid would be a gamble but would it be any more so than giving him till the end of the season? All I really want is a bit of hope that the season won't be over before the end of January.
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Post by shamstone on Dec 24, 2018 17:39:46 GMT
Fuckin hell. We’re just going round in circles. Harry is the manager. Let the season play out. You seem to forget the start of the season under Saunders. We’d probably be fuckin relegated now. Onwards and Upwards. Merry Christmas. COYS
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Post by meerkat87 on Dec 24, 2018 17:43:32 GMT
Fuckin hell. We’re just going round in circles. Harry is the manager. Let the season play out. You seem to forget the start of the season under Saunders. We’d probably be fuckin relegated now. Onwards and Upwards. Merry Christmas. COYS Oh do stop swearing... Believe it or not there are young(ish) ladies that read this forum... 😉
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Post by shamstone on Dec 24, 2018 17:49:29 GMT
Close your eyes then
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Post by pedant on Dec 24, 2018 17:52:49 GMT
So come on Daveu in your opinion who should be the next manager of the club as you an others clearly dont want HW ? It wouldn't have mattered who came into the club there was always going to be a large percentage of the fanbase who resented the new manager due to their affection to js. What has not worked for harry wheeler is that the results have not improved, had they have done then the animosity towards him would not be as vile as it is now, there would still be that element of fans who will never accept a new manager regardless of who is in charge, even if we get a new manager it will be two weeks before we have certain fans calling for their head if we don't win their first two games in charge Not sure I agree with your first paragraph but its a view you're entitled to have. (actually I am sure, I don't agree with it)
Whilst positive results would certainly have helped his popularity the animosity ramped up considerably, not because of poor results but, because Harry appeared to blow his own trumpet whilst slagging off what had gone before in the KM interview.
Arrogance is not necessarily well received when you've got something to be arrogant about. When you haven't it just makes you look a twit.
I'm undecided about my view on whether he should go or be allowed to stay but its clear to me that the vast majority of the anti HW feeling is entirely of his own making and nothing to do with what went before.
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